Definitely smarter than Mkhi
Lucas Moura - (Caf decides he’s naff again) Spurs bound?
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Proper comment btw @Will Absolute. Congratulations
Well, looking at these stats: https://www.whoscored.com/Players/92508/History/Lucas-Moura
I wouldn’t call it underperforming, but as I said, I don’t really follow french football, so I might have had a different opinion if I did.
Anyways, I still hope we get him.
He didn't exactly underperform, he has always been starting caliber but the hype from Brazil was way over the top and unfortunately he has always been compared to that erroneous initial evaluation.
Bargain bin speed merchant severely lacking in football intelligence. Will turn 27 August next year, and that's pretty close to 30. Have no interest.
You were right to look.
You were right to look.
He’s 25. By the time he turns 27 we’d of had a season and a half out of him already. Don’t think age has any affect here
Just to clarify my previous post, which has proved so controversial. I meant headless chicken, not brainless chicken - I knew there was something odd about the phrase as I wrote it 
I think that's a fair description of some of the play of the three players I listed. It seems to me that our present need is for players whose first instinct is to pass the ball, since our signature issue is lack of fluency.
I think that's a fair description of some of the play of the three players I listed. It seems to me that our present need is for players whose first instinct is to pass the ball, since our signature issue is lack of fluency.
Just to clarify my previous post, which has proved so controversial. I meant headless chicken, not brainless chicken - I knew there was something odd about the phrase as I wrote it
I think that's a fair description of some of the play of the three players I listed. It seems to me that our present need is for players whose first instinct is to pass the ball, since our signature issue is lack of fluency.
Yeah.
Pretty sure it wasn't the "headless" or "brainless" part of the "Chicken Takeaway" that was controversial.
You made your point. Don't hide from it.
There again, chicken's brain are pretty small.Just to clarify my previous post, which has proved so controversial. I meant headless chicken, not brainless chicken - I knew there was something odd about the phrase as I wrote it
I think that's a fair description of some of the play of the three players I listed. It seems to me that our present need is for players whose first instinct is to pass the ball, since our signature issue is lack of fluency.
I was excited when we agreed to sign him under SAF and he changed his mind to go to PSG at the last minute.
Guess I'd take him on a loan but def not a purchase. Not as good as Mahrez but probably an upgrade on the right side. Could also flourish in a new setup and new manager but he hasn't lit up Ligue 1 so I'd be against a purchase right away.
And to be honest if that's all we can afford then ok. But the unfortunate reality is guys like Lucas Moura won't win us titles. I'd be just as happy if we signed nobody this January.
Guess I'd take him on a loan but def not a purchase. Not as good as Mahrez but probably an upgrade on the right side. Could also flourish in a new setup and new manager but he hasn't lit up Ligue 1 so I'd be against a purchase right away.
And to be honest if that's all we can afford then ok. But the unfortunate reality is guys like Lucas Moura won't win us titles. I'd be just as happy if we signed nobody this January.
Your damage control wont work. Its out there now.Just to clarify my previous post, which has proved so controversial. I meant headless chicken, not brainless chicken - I knew there was something odd about the phrase as I wrote it
I think that's a fair description of some of the play of the three players I listed. It seems to me that our present need is for players whose first instinct is to pass the ball, since our signature issue is lack of fluency.
Martials decision making during the game is the best of all our players. Our smartest player on the pitch. So....Just to clarify my previous post, which has proved so controversial. I meant headless chicken, not brainless chicken - I knew there was something odd about the phrase as I wrote it
I think that's a fair description of some of the play of the three players I listed. It seems to me that our present need is for players whose first instinct is to pass the ball, since our signature issue is lack of fluency.
Just to clarify my previous post, which has proved so controversial. I meant headless chicken, not brainless chicken - I knew there was something odd about the phrase as I wrote it
I think that's a fair description of some of the play of the three players I listed. It seems to me that our present need is for players whose first instinct is to pass the ball, since our signature issue is lack of fluency.
utter bollocks!No way back now.Just to clarify my previous post, which has proved so controversial. I meant headless chicken, not brainless chicken - I knew there was something odd about the phrase as I wrote it
I think that's a fair description of some of the play of the three players I listed. It seems to me that our present need is for players whose first instinct is to pass the ball, since our signature issue is lack of fluency.
I don't hide. What exactly was controversial about the post? I suppose I could have listed Fellaini and Mikhi as well, but they seem to be on their way out.
Again, based on what? You were pointing at Moura's productivity stats and they're a fair margin better than Mata's? So which is it? You want the player who gets goals and assists often or not?
That must be why Martial is so predictable!
Our best decision makers are Pogba and Matic, because they have the vision and reading of the game to play in midfield. I would say Lukaku is a close 3rd behind them in their decision making. Martial is well down the line; because his lack of immaturity shows in games quite often.
Players that work for the team off the ball, and bring others into play on the ball are good decision makers. Martial is a ball hog; that has an arrogant style of play; that a lot of flair players have. He is very confident in his own abilities; which often makes him try to do too much.
Where is the white text?
I think if we sign him, it's obvious we went for the cheapest choice available, I reckon if the club has the intention to spend big they would have gone for better option like Mahrez or someone else. Maybe the club will get an expensive top player in the summer window but then it won't be a R.W if we get Lucas though.
Pogba is a mixed bag. He has great vision, but he's also too self-indulgent.
That is his style of play; he uses his ball control and physicality to get past players. He can seem self-indulgent because of a lack of runners. He would release the ball quickly at Juventus because the team had an understanding of his game and would be in the right positions.
Give me self-indulgent football any day over some of the dull tumescent stuff we've had to put up with lately.
Don't mind him, he bring a new dimension to our attack and doesn't prevent us from going big in the summer.
Can't disagree more about martial. Our best counters and team goals come when martial is involved. He knows exactly when to pass and when to go in dribble or play one-two. He does everything what you said that he doesn't do.
You listed 3 black players as brainless (1 football stereotype), and said they're going for a brainless chicken takeaway after training (1 racist stereotype).
You can play dumb all you want but you knew exactly what you were doing, and suspect that you're only still here because it wasn't explicitly racist.
Glad someone is paying attention. He he'd 2 very agile and willing runners which was pivotal for both him and Juve.
Will someone please tag me when something concrete comes out about this? Gracias
I'd go with Mahrez myself but if we're planning on spending big on a 10 and a CM (Along with a fullback or two) this summer and Mourinho is staying at least another year or two it does make sense to grab some pace on the right and ship out Mkhitaryan to bankroll it.
25 years old and he's struggled at a top side, has lots of raw talent, it's not inconceivable he could be a sort of Robben/Sneijder after Madrid signing.
Positively, his goal record overall for PSG improved every year until this one:
0 in 15 (0%)
5 in 53 (9%)
8 in 46 (17%)
13 in 56 (23%)
18 in 52 (34%)
until just 1 in 6 this year. But he was certainly trending towards being a 1 in 3 or likely better player for his entire PSG career until they bought Mbappe and Neymar and replaced him.
25 years old and he's struggled at a top side, has lots of raw talent, it's not inconceivable he could be a sort of Robben/Sneijder after Madrid signing.
Positively, his goal record overall for PSG improved every year until this one:
0 in 15 (0%)
5 in 53 (9%)
8 in 46 (17%)
13 in 56 (23%)
18 in 52 (34%)
until just 1 in 6 this year. But he was certainly trending towards being a 1 in 3 or likely better player for his entire PSG career until they bought Mbappe and Neymar and replaced him.
Can all the experts saying Moura has deteriorated confirm whether this is based on his 19 goals and 11 assists last season, or him not playing this season due to two of the best players in the world?
I bet you 90% of them have not seen him play regularly. He just isnt the flavor of the month and are pissed that City are trying to sign Sanchez while we are trying to sign Moura.
He's only played 75 minutes of football in the league this season.
Yeah I think I’m going to pursue this a little bit.
I wasn't aware of either of the stereotypes that you mention. Bear in mind that I'm not British.
In fact I wasn't trying to be racist at all. It did occur to me that all the players I'd listed were black, but I didn't want to self-censor my post because others are a little too eager to take offense where none is meant.
I probably would have if I'd anticipated the furore though.
Thing is many of the players you listed arent even poor decision makers eg Pogba and Martial aren't any worse in decision making that Herrera, Mkhi, Shaw etc. You almost went out of your way to single them outI wasn't aware of either of the stereotypes that you mention. Bear in mind that I'm not British.
In fact I wasn't trying to be racist at all. It did occur to me that all the players I'd listed were black, but I didn't want to self-censor my post because others are a little too eager to take offense where none is meant.
I probably would have if I'd anticipated the furore though.
What does being British or not have to do with those stereotypes?
Sky Sports saying that United are interesting in Lucas, but have not made a bid so far: http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-lucas-moura-but-no-offer-yet-made-for-winger
There are some sensible people on the caf rejoice!
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