I don't get this one at all. He'll frustrate the life out of us if we sign him.
Lucas Moura - (Caf decides he’s naff again) Spurs bound?
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How do you know?
The quality is what we need. Questionable mentality though. If we can take him on loan to see how it goes, then there may be chance. Other than that would stay clear
How about we maybe just maybe trust the judgments of Sir Alex Ferguson and Jose Mourinho on this one...
Nah..
The issue is that Ferguson wanted to sign him 5 years ago when he was an up and coming winger with a lot of promise, he's not lived up to that promise, and now PSG have upgraded they want to ship him out.
We should be going for the calibre of player that PSG have when they upgraded from him, rather than going for their cast offs. My worry is we buy him now and it blocks the signing of a potentially much better RW in the summer.
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Literally have nothing to do with being British. One is a football stereotype, the other is a racial one across the globe which you definitely know about unless you live under a rock.I wasn't aware of either of the stereotypes that you mention. Bear in mind that I'm not British.
In fact I wasn't trying to be racist at all. It did occur to me that all the players I'd listed were black, but I didn't want to self-censor my post because others are a little too eager to take offense where none is meant.
I probably would have if I'd anticipated the furore though.
How do people look back on Jesus Nava's time at city? I'd imagine Moura would fill a role similar to him.
So we’re looking at buying the likes of Griezmann, Dybala, Bale, Ozil, Savic and Kroos in the summer for our midfield/attack but going to buy Moura for what reason exactly ? A stop gap ? As we don’t need a stop gap and I’d much rather we bought no one if they didn’t have a long term future at the club.
I’d be happy with a 6 month loan and option to buy at the end of it so we can see how he adjusts to our league and how he is in general but I don’t want us wasting £25-£40 million, if Moura has only played 75 minutes of league football all season then PSG would surely allow him a loan move which if we took on his wages would suit all parties.
I’d be happy with a 6 month loan and option to buy at the end of it so we can see how he adjusts to our league and how he is in general but I don’t want us wasting £25-£40 million, if Moura has only played 75 minutes of league football all season then PSG would surely allow him a loan move which if we took on his wages would suit all parties.
Come on man, he wrote really stupid things on football side but to call him a racist is too much here.
I for one didn't even realize that all those 3 players are black. Why should i notice things like that when we talk about football? Or anything else? I am not his lawyer but i am defending him because next time i could end up on his place.
Edit: never heard for bolded part( and i live in nice flat in capital of my country so..)
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Well, how could I possibly know about a racial stereotype in football. No such stereotypes exist in Ireland, since, until recently, there were very few black footballers, or, indeed, black people in the country. And such things are not discussed in the media.
I genuinely don't know what the chicken thing is about. What has chicken got to do with anything? I chose it because of the headless chicken reference, which I managed to get wrong. After all, a headless chicken beef stroganoff wouldn't have made much sense.
Don't watch PSG, so never seen him play, but bit of a meh signing.
Have to say if he's not good enough for PSG then he shouldn't be good enough for United, also have to look at our rivals in England, is he better than any of City's forward line-up?
Have to say if he's not good enough for PSG then he shouldn't be good enough for United, also have to look at our rivals in England, is he better than any of City's forward line-up?
PSG are a better team than we are. they are stacked with world class players.
Yes, that should be our standard but we aren't there yet and have to rebuild. Lucas has done really well the past two seasons, only reason he has fallen out of favor is PSG stacking on said world class players. He'd improve our right side.
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Oh feck this. We had better not sign him without even a loan first.
Sure, but instead of taking baby steps and wasting money and only improving 'slighty', why not aim high and solve the problem straight away?
I'd rather wait until the summer and get someone better, we are 2nd in the Premier League right and not going to catch City even if we bring in Messi and Ronaldo this window.
Let's get top 4 this season, we capable doing that with the squad we have now and sort the problem out properly in the summer rather than papering over the cracks.
I'd love to see us sign him, he's wound the Caf brilliantly.
So are those against this adamant he wouldn't improve the squad in anyway?
Surely he's a better option than we have to change a game or break down a stubborn defence? If Mourinho thinks he's a good option then I'm behind it.
I really wanted the player initially before he went to PSG and he's still only 25..
Surely he's a better option than we have to change a game or break down a stubborn defence? If Mourinho thinks he's a good option then I'm behind it.
I really wanted the player initially before he went to PSG and he's still only 25..
We have a budget and this is what we can afford. I don't think he is that good but what can you do.
We are 2nd so lets get top 4? We are 2nd so lets finish 2nd is what it should be. Any less is a disaster imo, especially with the money spent and already being 2nd.
He's been pretty good overall. Now "pretty good" is a bit underwhelming when he was once mentioned in the same breath as Neymar as potentially the next big thing.
He's improved tremendously his tactical discipline because he started from very low and his end product has also gotten better although he's still a bit frustrating when when he could finish the situations he creates with better decision making.
Overall it doesn't look that PSG exploited his strengths to the maximum but he rather had to adapt to the PSG tactics that at times held him back. This could change in a new club under another manager.
Different players but I see what you mean, we really don't have a wide player to bring on from the bench or to rotate when others are out of form or when we need to play against tired legs, so yeah, he might be a good option even long-term. Navas likes to stay outside whilst Moura prefers to cut inside.
because it doesn't happen that way? most world class players are not available, and when they do become available the prices are exorbitant, especially in this climate. lucas would be an improvement while still allowing us to bring in better players for other areas.
wait for the summer? what world class right winger better than lucas do you think will be available?
as you say, we are second in the league and our distance to top 4 rivals has been shortened significantly in recent weeks, we could very well find ourselves in a battle to finish in the top 4. also, we are still an enticing proposition but nowhere near what we used to be, getting world class is not a snap your fingers and it happens type of thing
If Lucas is available for 25m, we should go for him. I dont see his acquisition as hindering our longer term summer targets plus we haven't had a proper RW in years.
SAF bid big for him in 2012 but PSG paid his €45m release clause and his career never really took off, maybe the change of scenery to the club he felt he should have always signed for will reignite his career. I think he will surprise a lot of people if/when he arrives at OT.
Nice post but can you add to this? What things as a winger did he not get to do during his opportunities at PSG?
I would take him for 20-30 million as it could be a bargain, he would make our team much better i'd reckon. Pace and dribbling to the left side, oh something we have missed so dearly. But at the same time it cannot mean that we would not be ready to invest in a better player for the same position in near future if necessary, tricky one eh?
Maybe it would release some pressure from spending huge sums for left winger and then we could concentrate on other position we need to dearly fix, spend the money we have in real quality there ( as it seems we do not have 300 million to put to players easily).
Interesting times.
Maybe it would release some pressure from spending huge sums for left winger and then we could concentrate on other position we need to dearly fix, spend the money we have in real quality there ( as it seems we do not have 300 million to put to players easily).
Interesting times.
Makes a lot of sense we’ve needed a player who can play wide right for along time now if he can beat a man and deliver a good ball into the box im all for it I haven’t seen any of him as don’t watch PSG but if Jose wants him I trust his judgment enough to take the punt on him and at only 25 year old and for only £20-25m could be a steal in todays market
I’m out of breath just reading that.
I’ve only seen him play a handful of times but I have a feeling he’s a Brazilian Theo Walcott.
Fast but not much else.
Fast but not much else.
20-25m is relatively cheap these days , he is still 25 , he has time to turn it around.
Now that i have read CAF opinion , i really want him here , hopefully our new number 7
PS : People have no problem buying mkhi who is 4 years older and cost more , he turn out to be shite
Now that i have read CAF opinion , i really want him here , hopefully our new number 7
PS : People have no problem buying mkhi who is 4 years older and cost more , he turn out to be shite
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Can we please give this Will Absolute fella the benefit of the doubt here?
I'm a 43 year old who's been watching football for over 35 years and I've not heard of this chicken dinner thing some are claiming is such common knowledge.
I'm a 43 year old who's been watching football for over 35 years and I've not heard of this chicken dinner thing some are claiming is such common knowledge.
I've resigned to the fact we are probably signing Lucas so the best thing would be to get him as soon as possible and start the integrating process into the squad. For £20m the acquisition should not be taking a long time.
It’s ironic people are accusing him of being racist by mentioning black people eating chicken ‘because black people like chicken’.
Who is actually abusing the stereotype here?
In any event I thought it was quite a clever joke he made, albeit he got the expression wrong.
Last thing our squad needs is moura chicken takeaways.
I'll get my coat...
I'll get my coat...
He developed in Paris under Blanc in a possession system where the wide players were very central to drag the opposing full backs and open the space on the wing for the PSG full backs (especially on the right flank). Lucas very rarely found himself in 1 on 1 situations, often double marked and handed the ball far away from the goal.
The team also had a tendency to pass on the counterattacking opportunities that could make use of his pace and instead quietly recycle possession and slowly occupy the opponent half and build from the back.
Emery said he had to tell the players that even if they identified as a possession team it was OK to go for the counter sometimes.
It seems he's lost a bit of pace since he was first signed, would you agree with that?
If we were signing Messi the reaction on here would be he his coming to the end of his career....
Wrong side of 30, on a decline, can he do it on a wet windy night in stoke? Don't want.
Just meh... uninspiring. Makes me think there’s some truth behind this.
He is probably better than any options we currently have for the right side
Wither it's mata, rashford, or even lingard.
He does a good job in defensive work as well which makes him a valuable asset in a Morinho's team
Can't see any harm on this deal if ever happened.
We need him at least in the second half of the season, if no better option is attainable.
Next year is another story for another time ...
Wither it's mata, rashford, or even lingard.
He does a good job in defensive work as well which makes him a valuable asset in a Morinho's team
Can't see any harm on this deal if ever happened.
We need him at least in the second half of the season, if no better option is attainable.
Next year is another story for another time ...
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