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Have to question those substitutions, was Herrera not doing the job required? Was Shaw injured again?
It definitely is more robotic than what we are used to but it has produced as many top teams if not more than the risky approach we are accustomed with. The ultimate example is probably that Barcelona team who played like clockworks and never seemed to tire because they approached the game with such a precise understanding and application of movements and positioning. Of course it helped that they had Xavi, Iniesta and Messi but Real Madrid had Zidane, Ronaldo, Figo at one point and never reached the same heights. I am not suggesting that we can become like them with a more structured approach but if we get even close, we can have a really top team.Interesting post but that doesn't fill me with confidence going forward with LvG, kind of the opposite effect for me actually It all seems too robotic.
Good post though NL Max.
Really good post and I thought this when he was talking about balance etc but you've put it perfectly. It actually fills me with a bit of confidence.
But as one journalist wrote I think a lot of our problems this season has came because he doesn't trust the defence.
It's one of the reasons why I still want him here next season because I think he has a plan and doesn't just freestyle things. With Moyes I don't think he had a plan at all. It all seemed a bit 'kamikaze'.
Here's to hoping we qualify for Champions League because I'm sure we'll be much better next season.
Really good post and I thought this when he was talking about balance etc but you've put it perfectly. It actually fills me with a bit of confidence.
But as one journalist wrote I think a lot of our problems this season has came because he doesn't trust the defence.
It's one of the reasons why I still want him here next season because I think he has a plan and doesn't just freestyle things. With Moyes I don't think he had a plan at all. It all seemed a bit 'kamikaze'.
Here's to hoping we qualify for Champions League because I'm sure we'll be much better next season.
Herrera didn't pull up any trees in the first half last night but I don't understand him coming off rather than Blind. In this game we were looking shakey because Blind wasn't playing well, not because he wasn't being protected enough. Putting Carrick alongside him was overkill when a straight swap would have solved the problem. Way over-cautious for me in such a big game where we had a chance to make a statement.
It definitely is more robotic than what we are used to but it has produced as many top teams if not more than the risky approach we are accustomed with. The ultimate example is probably that Barcelona team who played like clockworks and never seemed to tire because they approached the game with such a precise understanding and application of movements and positioning. Of course it helped that they had Xavi, Iniesta and Messi but Real Madrid had Zidane, Ronaldo, Figo at one point and never reached the same heights. I am not suggesting that we can become like them with a more structured approach but if we get even close, we can have a really top team.
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I am more willing to take the risk and wouldn't switch Van Gaal for a Mourinho or Ancelotti by any means. I just feel that the reward of his methods can be extraordinary even though I accept that he's up against the culture of club and more importantly of an entire country. With a Mourinho, we most likely would be doing better and of course I would take that happily as it's better than 99% of the teams out there but with Van Gaal, I feel that there is a chance that he will reach or at least lay the foundation for somebody to reach the 1%. Even though that chance is relatively small, I definitely want to give him as much time as possible to see if it comes through.
Don't think he trusts the defence and he actually mentioned it earlier in the season. If we had a really good defence we he would pick an attacking side ahead of them.The way I see it, if van Gaal could handpick his own XI, he would probably have the most exciting team playing the most exciting way in World football.
But the danger is, he doesn't trust this team and he won't get the chance to build an exciting team here if he doesn't finish top 4, because the players won't want to sign.
The way I see it, if van Gaal could handpick his own XI, he would probably have the most exciting team playing the most exciting way in World football.
But the danger is, he doesn't trust this team and he won't get the chance to build an exciting team here if he doesn't finish top 4, because the players won't want to sign.
It wasn't according to their fans, that was one of the reasons they got fed up of him.I think Wenger and Klopp may have something to say about that.
LVG likes to keep possession first and foremost, I don't think his style at Bayern was very exciting tbh.
I think I should have been clearer by what I meant with the 1% because I think you have the impression that I meant European success by it which is my bad. What I mean though is domestic and European dominance. A team that doesn't go into big European games worried about stopping opponents but looking to outplay them like Barcelona and Bayern did recently. Mourinho and Ancelotti's teams do a job in the sense that they see what they have, get few players in and extract every last ounce of the capabilities of these players to achieve success planning for each game as it comes. None of their teams would be called pace setters or part of that super elite club.The rest of your post is excellent, so I don't need to comment too much on that. However, there's something about the last paragraph that called for a reply.
You seem to imply that if we had Mourinho or Ancelotti as our manager, we might not be able to set us in position to grab that extra 1% should they build their own (hypothetical) teams at United. Can I ask you why you would feel that way? I'm asking the question because both Mourinho and Ancelotti reached the Promised Land of Europe for a combined total of 5 times, and they also won several pieces of silverware all around and everywhere they went since the early 2000s. At the same time, both men didn't have to go radically against a country's culture in order to achieve success in England. Meanwhile, Wenger is the prime example of someone who is building something that goes against a country's culture. He's doing good right now, yes, but it hasn't led him towards the Promised Land of England nor Europe in nearly 11 years. In the end, it is a steep price for very little return of investment in Wenger's case. Would it be worth trying the same at United?
I think I should have been clearer by what I meant with the 1% because I think you have the impression that I meant European success by it which is my bad. What I mean though is domestic and European dominance. A team that doesn't go into big European games worried about stopping opponents but looking to outplay them like Barcelona and Bayern did recently. Mourinho and Ancelotti's teams do a job in the sense that they see what they have, get few players in and extract every last ounce of the capabilities of these players to achieve success planning for each game as it comes. None of their teams would be called pace setters or part of that super elite club.
Of course if I was given the choice between Wenger's Arsenal and a Mourinho team, I would pick the latter but as a Manchester United fan I don't see why I should settle for that with the finances and status we have. I want us to either be or aim to be a dominant force like the Milan team of the '90s, Barcelona of mid '00s or the late Bayern team. With Mourinho, I feel the best we can achieve is a "normal" top team and I hope that makes sense. With Van Gaal, I feel there is a chance we can be more than that either with him or thanks to his foundation. I hope that makes more sense.
@NL Max
Do you think it is possible next season Louis van Gaal will use Angel di Maria for the 10 position in a 4-3-3 like the one used against Spurs with Angel di Maria driving forward from LCM assuming we sign Depay for LW and Januzaj finds form as a RW? Or is Angel di Maria definitely only a winger for Louis van Gaal?
No, it leaves Di Maria on the left central midfield spot. Mata is off in the summer, and Rooney is our best striker. I see it as possible we'll play without a CAM next season.We're definately playing 433 next season, but like mentioned before it's always with 2 defensive minded midfielders. This leaves only the CAM spot Di Maria could play in.
Since we've (currently) got Mata, Herrera, Fellaini and Rooney competing to play there aswell I find it unlikely. I think he will be used on the right wing mostly, competing with Januzaj. It's possible though, van Gaal likes multifunctional players so he can tinker with formations/gameplans for each match. We could see him there occasionally but he'll mostly play as a winger, that's why he was brought in. I think van Gaal finds him a bit too wastefull for the role.
It will depend on who will leave (of the CAM's we have) and how much competition he's up against for the amount of gametime he'll get there. My personal guess? Not very much.
ITK?No, it leaves Di Maria on the left central midfield spot. Mata is off in the summer, and Rooney is our best striker. I see it as possible we'll play without a CAM next season.
ITK?
Yeah people are just making up some weird stuff. Another example is Di Maria not wanting to be here anymoreEveryone seems to think that because he's not been playing while Herrera and Blind were in midfield his career must be over.
No, it leaves Di Maria on the left central midfield spot. Mata is off in the summer, and Rooney is our best striker. I see it as possible we'll play without a CAM next season.
A 442? And leaving out his favorite player, his number 10? I'd be very surprised to see this as he's never done this because this breaks his own rules stated in the OP.
Rooney won't be our fixed number 10 but I have a hunch, since he's undroppable, that he'll sometimes play there. This to fit in RvP/Wilson or a new striker.
Mata seems like his perfect #10. My guess is that he's too lightweight for this season and has to do more defensive work. He could be off though.
Ah, didn't know that about the number 10. A 433 to me is one dm and two cms. Otherwise I use 4231 to indicate the acm. Thats why I picured him on the left in a midfield 3. Sounds like AdM wont be featured a lot in cm then.A 442? And leaving out his favorite player, his number 10? I'd be very surprised to see this as he's never done this because this breaks his own rules stated in the OP.
Rooney won't be our fixed number 10 but I have a hunch, since he's undroppable, that he'll sometimes play there. This to fit in RvP/Wilson or a new striker.
Mata seems like his perfect #10. My guess is that he's too lightweight for this season and has to do more defensive work. He could be off though.