Its actually 2 goals, as the OG doesnt really count
Louis van Gaal's tactics
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Its actually 2 goals, as the OG doesnt really count
That shrug from Mata when asked if he believed the team was on the right path.
Well I should say actively aim to create chances and take some risks. We aim to keep the ball for longer unless the perfect opportunity presents itself. Suffice to say perfect opportunities dont tend to present themselves on a regular basis in the Premier League. You need to just take a few risks. Losing the ball is okay, rely on your ability to press and win the ball back to give you dominance of possession.
Not playing Devil's Advocate but Rooney should have tested the keeper with both his chances when put through. Mata had a good chance in the first half albeit a half chance, then he was put through when 1-0 up. We should convert those chances... we don't!
The midfield can't do anymore than set up chances for the strikers.Opponents then sense it could be their day
Didn't understand the subs today. Shweini was obviously not fit and this could be seen in the first half so Carrick should have come in for him at 60. This idea that BFS can play more attacking than defending is really nuts. I thought Fellaini should have come in much sooner for Herrera, not for crosses but winning balls out of the back. And I thought Young should have come in for Memphis.
Four league games and 3 goals to show for it. What would you do?
So bad today so so bad, Romero was awful and yet again we played in front of the opposition with almost no penetration. Our only fecking tactic was to chuck on Fellaini and put Young out wide to whip the ball into the box for him. Swansea read that after 2 attempts at it and just shut down our wingers every single time. I have been behind LVG all the way but today was really poor. If you are going to play the way we are then you need to be defensively solid but Romero and Blind made that impossible today. Rooney had a couple of moments where he could have scored but its just not happening.
Van Gaal seems to have told the players to take very few risks when passing. The players therefore refuse to pass forward unless keeping the ball is almost guaranteed, combine that with the slow buildup (another side effect of being too risk averse) and you get the stale, boring football we're seeing so far. To be honest I don't think United's squad has the technical ability to play even close to Barcelona or Bayern.
It was a bit basic but I thought we looked better when we sent on Young, at least he was intent on putting the ball into a dangerous area.
I think we've become a Arsenal like in the way we continually probe thirty yards from goal trying to find that killer pass. When the build up is that precise it allows opponents to get who they want back behind the ball and breaking through is just so congested. Attack with more instinct and less precision and I think the chances would flow more freely.
I think we've become a Arsenal like in the way we continually probe thirty yards from goal trying to find that killer pass. When the build up is that precise it allows opponents to get who they want back behind the ball and breaking through is just so congested. Attack with more instinct and less precision and I think the chances would flow more freely.
Than you have to create more, play a bit quicker with more risk maybe. After the goal, they tried to get the second goal hastily, and risked possession where they shouldn't. It was probably Rooney's first attempt to play one touch, just when Swansea was getting frustrated for beeing behind and not getting the ball. That's the moment to keep possession and move it around patiently until there's a moment to suddenly speed up and create a chance.
They could get in shooting positions themselves, as they did.
So predictable. Full point on lineups game to with the subs 
. Young to Fellaini is nailed on to be last resort against a half decent team.
. Young to Fellaini is nailed on to be last resort against a half decent team.Go watch Arsenal and revise your opinion. In fact the team should be made to watch how to pass and move from them. Arsenal take far more risks than we do.
He may well have done, presumably due diligence had gone into his purchase, we just couldn't afford to hang around any longer for him to produce. The carnival which followed with Barthez, Carroll and Howard didn't exactly work, did it.
But then neither were good enough. Just because you hang on to something won't make it good enough.
Neville said some stuff after the Swansea game that sounds very familiar.
Neville said:
The tactics are to keep the ball away from the opposition to prevent them from scoring. Then have your fullbacks bomb forward and pray the oppos don't slam you on the counter.
His 'philosophy' is utter garbage.
Other words. I don't have a plan b.
Signs LVG is starting to go down the Moyes path of losing the players confidence?
He's blaming the players, if a side changes it's shape any other manager would be up making changes to combat it. He said the players should have done it. So they are doing his job as well.
On the opposite side if Swansea convert a few of their first half chances they are putting us away comfortably.
Can you blame them?
I mean, can you imagine any of our attacking players are actually enjoying playing in such a stifled and restricted way?
Di Maria hated it, and fecked off. Ribery has said he hated it at Bayern...its not exactly hard to see why. He sucks any flair and improvisation out of attacking players.
He's sucked the last bits of enjoyment out of watching United.
We're such a boring team to watch.
We're such a boring team to watch.
It's to be expected. These players are looking like donkeys under him. The players certainly don't blame themselves these days.
Exactly . I would love to see what's on that notepad of his as he seems to spend a lot of time doodling.
This. This. And this.
There is literately no joy in watching United play anymore. Even when we win.
Its probably why we got so excited when we thrashed Bragge. It was the first time in ages we've actually been fun to watch.
Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass. Pass.
I think the main problem is we're playing with fear. Of losing the ball. Of not choosing the "right" option. Always second guessing decisions and delaying passes into forward areas that should be played instinctively.
It's why players like Di Maria and Memphis looks promising just after they've arrived. A couple of months of LVGs magic and they're afraid not to keep the ball well enough. They're not playing their instinctive game. And their confidence drops. Sigh.
I just want some entertaining football.
It's why players like Di Maria and Memphis looks promising just after they've arrived. A couple of months of LVGs magic and they're afraid not to keep the ball well enough. They're not playing their instinctive game. And their confidence drops. Sigh.
I just want some entertaining football.
Penises. Hundreds of penises.
I'm already planning the joyous day this Muppet buggers off and leaves our club hopefully it's sooner rather than later. We play football that has entertainment levels of watching paint dry.
Properly sick to death of him and his process/philosophy.
Properly sick to death of him and his process/philosophy.
Once again, absolutely spot on.
Our players look absolutely petrified to play a forward pass that has even a slight degree of risk, as they know they will get bollocked for it, if it goes wrong.
LVG's style of football is utterly horrific. Everyone other team in the league play better football then us, every single bloody one.
Let's face it, the best signing we could make before the window shuts, is signing Jurgen Klopp to be our next manager
So true. With SAF he always said to the players to go out and express yourselves. You don't seem to get that with Van Gaal .It's either my way or the high way.
The tactics are not working, at all, and the problem is, he is a very stubborn man, so it wont change, and we wont change until he has gone.
He beats the same drum, we dominated the game, they had a good 5mins, bla bla bla, Swansea had the better chances in both halves.
We can dominate possession, teams don't care, because they know with how we are set up to play, we won't threaten. We was lucky against Spurs and Villa, couldn't beat Newcastle at home, and now we have lost to Swansea.
In all 4 matches, I cannot remember having a shot on target from a pass that puts us basically 1 on 1 with the keeper.
1 own goal (came from a cross)
1 deflected goal (Januzaj did well to be fair)
1 goal (came from a cross)
Rule number 1 of his 'Philosophy' is to not lose the ball. Teams are happy to sit in their own 3rd and let us pass it around because we are to scared to make a risky pass. We spend 5 minutes passing it around, thats not dominating, thats negative play
He beats the same drum, we dominated the game, they had a good 5mins, bla bla bla, Swansea had the better chances in both halves.
We can dominate possession, teams don't care, because they know with how we are set up to play, we won't threaten. We was lucky against Spurs and Villa, couldn't beat Newcastle at home, and now we have lost to Swansea.
In all 4 matches, I cannot remember having a shot on target from a pass that puts us basically 1 on 1 with the keeper.
1 own goal (came from a cross)
1 deflected goal (Januzaj did well to be fair)
1 goal (came from a cross)
Rule number 1 of his 'Philosophy' is to not lose the ball. Teams are happy to sit in their own 3rd and let us pass it around because we are to scared to make a risky pass. We spend 5 minutes passing it around, thats not dominating, thats negative play
One thing that turns me off LvG is that he doesn't get everything out of the players we have, yes we need quality to be up there with the best, but a good manager would still push that extra out of the players. It's a shambles really, i don't want to be the knee jerk saying that we should sack him, but he starts to bug me and many others.
The word "pass" in every known language.
I also don't want to sack him, I really don't want to become one of them clubs, but I would rather have quite a few different managers right now
Things are not going his way, he's clearly spat his dummy out, walking out of the press conferences. Maybe I am looking a bit deep into things, but some of his quotes make it sound as if he and Woodward has fallen out of transfers also
Right, and the sort of knee-jerk reactions we're seeing here are worthwhile?! We aren't entitled to win every game. We had shite performances under SAF. We had really poor starts to the season under SAF. It doesn't mean we need to suddenly throw everything away and start again. Football is won and lost on seriously fine margins.
I quite like how confident we can keep the ball in defense and midfield now, I just wish we were more direct and creative in the final third. Take more risks.
Averaging 1 or even 1,5 goals per game won't even get us to top four, no matter how good we think we defend.
'Boring Chelsea' won last year and scored 73, City scored 83. We scored 62 goals.
That means we probably need to average around two goals at least (2x38=76) to challenge.
It depends on how many we conceed but historically we need to score more than we do at the moment, and did last season. Surprised?
To do that we sometimes have to score three, four and five goals. Again, are you surprised?
So I present, the remedy to our kneejerk pain: score more goals! Shocking, I know!
I should be trainer-coach of the biggest club in the world, not Van Gaal.
My main point, the reason we don't score more goals under Van Gaal, is that I don't necessarily think the players are at fault, but more so our careful possession based approach. A top striker would help to some degree, but he would have to be really fecking good to win us the prem. See Suarez, Aguero, Rvp 2012.
Footnote:
During Moyes we scored 64/43 (City and Pool scored over 100 goals each.)
Fergies last season we scored 86/43
Averaging 1 or even 1,5 goals per game won't even get us to top four, no matter how good we think we defend.
'Boring Chelsea' won last year and scored 73, City scored 83. We scored 62 goals.
That means we probably need to average around two goals at least (2x38=76) to challenge.
It depends on how many we conceed but historically we need to score more than we do at the moment, and did last season. Surprised?
To do that we sometimes have to score three, four and five goals. Again, are you surprised?
So I present, the remedy to our kneejerk pain: score more goals! Shocking, I know!
I should be trainer-coach of the biggest club in the world, not Van Gaal.
My main point, the reason we don't score more goals under Van Gaal, is that I don't necessarily think the players are at fault, but more so our careful possession based approach. A top striker would help to some degree, but he would have to be really fecking good to win us the prem. See Suarez, Aguero, Rvp 2012.
Footnote:
During Moyes we scored 64/43 (City and Pool scored over 100 goals each.)
Fergies last season we scored 86/43
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