Which surely reinforces the point that its daft to look at our position now and moan about not being in the top 4?
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Which surely reinforces the point that its daft to look at our position now and moan about not being in the top 4?
Didin't Moyes have a settled back four with Rio, Vidic and Evra as 3 of the starting 4?
I really do feel we're moving in the right direction, nothing like last season. We're just really struggling to get positive results.
Let's also take "3 games without a win" with a pinch of salt, two of those were against champions elect Chelsea and away to City whom we never beat anymore away from home.
Didn't you realise a new manager, new coaches, new style of playing, new players, selling loads of experience, which looking at the performances of Rio and Vidic at their new clubs wasn't a mistake, might produce results like we have been getting. Have we had a settled side yet? This is going to take time and more new signings I am afraid. Would I rather be watching Moyes United. Hell no.
We have awful results against City under Fergie and when we had a lot better side than theirs. Today was a lot better, who knows if we had kept 11 men on the pitch, what might have happened. People need to calm down.
Yep 100% agree.
Yes and remind him, it didn't take long for it all to go downhill and fast. LvG got rid of those three and it will be the right decision in the end. Rio is finished, Vidic doesn't look like the Vidic we had. Only Evra has done well and it would be hard not to do well at Juventus.
To be honest I don't really care what you or anyone else says. I stand by what I said. For the amount of money that has been spent this summer we should be playing better, and getting better results than we are and have at the moment. Regardless of anything else.
Good post. Its easier to throw knee jerk tantrums after a loss than it is to look at the bigger picture, that we are improving and are very close to turning the corner.
Our performances are very encouraging and much bettr when compared to Moyes but it's about time we started picking up some points. I'd gladly take Moyes style performances if it meant some points in the next 3 games.
I think the worst part of the season so far was as soon as we looked to be improving the most we get a unlucky draw to West Brom and thrown right into 2 games against the top 2 of last season. We're going in the right direction and even though we've got bad results we seem to have got back that belief that Moyes killed and we were missing at the start of the season.
Well.. no, he didn't. Considering Ferdinand played just over a third of the league games, and Rafael missed half.
Even Vidic only played 25.
That's assuming that Ferdinand and Vidic were actually of great benefit. I'd argue they were more of a hindrance than anything.
Louis van Gaal said he did not see the first yellow card but thinks the second yellow card was stupid on Smalling's part.
Wait until he sees the first yellow card.
Wait until he sees the first yellow card.
We can say we are improving once we start winning Football matches consistently.
City were a lot better back then too.
I can't really compare this to previous performances, seeing as they looked like they had more problems than ever.
Even the last 20 minutes, I take with a pinch of salt.
It reminded me of us against the 9 men of Chelsea, where it said more about how dodgy we were (and City today).
Did we really improve that much under lvg? Ok he has got us playing attractive football, but it is still not on the level of BM, real, city, Chelsea or barca and he had spend truckloads of money at that. Result wise is more or less similar.
U can say moyes did not had the injuries crisis that VG had currently, but I can oso say moyes had a tougher start to the league season and even had more distraction to content with (CL and league cup)
Frankly speaking, I am running out of excuse to defend lvg.
U can say moyes did not had the injuries crisis that VG had currently, but I can oso say moyes had a tougher start to the league season and even had more distraction to content with (CL and league cup)
Frankly speaking, I am running out of excuse to defend lvg.
Agree! We were going in ever decreasing circles last year under Moyes!
No, we can say we're improving if we watch the games and see areas of improvement. Of course we're going to need to start winning points, but saying we're improving isn't wrong.
We need to spend more though, that is the problem, the players who have come in are new to this league and need to settle. If more players come from abroad then that will happen again. I love the way we play now and it will come right in the end. Falcao has been injured, Herrera broke his rib, Shaw didn't start the season. The back four have been their usual brittle self and now Rojo injured. We know there are still problems. I think there are still major changes he will make in January and next summer.
And the issue of 'he just needs time' well i would like to ask how much time does he need?
If he needs at least 12 months to get us into the top 4, I think we are in trouble
If he needs at least 12 months to get us into the top 4, I think we are in trouble
We all said that we would know where we are after playing the top two teams, in our eyes. It is clear they are better, but not by a great deal.
As far as points total is concerned, the view was we would get loads of points from our first 5 games which would probably even itself out when we hit this period. Well we have now played the top teams, and things have evened themselves out us, Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool and Spurs are pretty much all on the same points. Therefore, nobody has moved away from us.
We are not in as bad a position as people make out. We are playing better, having more movement and composure each game. Also, it is clear that the third tier clubs have also improved as can be seen by the performances of WHU, Southampton, Swansea ...etc who have performed well against the top teams and the bottom teams.
we should be looking forward now with confidence that LVG has actually started to make a difference. Sendings off and injuries aside, we are a totally different United to last season.
Definitely LvG's fault today, clearly he performed brain surgery on Smalling midweek and removed whatever was actually there, and then told the players that passing accurately didn't matter and that as Captain Rooney needn't worry about his first touch while playing as a CM. Sack him and get Pulis.
It will take us a while to get to some of those teams level. This team is being completely rebuilt. Those teams have been rebuilt over a number of years. If we had done better last season, then we may have been able to do it at a more sedate pace. Unfortunately it was a disaster and it needs doing urgently and will not be finished for at least a couple of windows. I think he will be looking at another RB, a couple of right side CB's, maybe another left side CB and the midfield is still a work in process. This is going to need some patience. At least we can't sign Ashley Young again.
Do people think that building something from the ground up is easy? We are not playing with Lego Blocks here.
Moyes took 10 months to tear us down, i don't think Lvg can build utd back up in any time less.
Moyes took 10 months to tear us down, i don't think Lvg can build utd back up in any time less.
1 little run of form and you go into the top 4. Look at Arsenal. 2 weeks ago they were behind us and now they're 4th I think? Or at least 1 point away. Anyways, obviously we have to start picking up results soon but I'm sure we will. It was always a tough task to expect much from Chelsea and City, and the performances were definitely encouraging. We'll be fine IMO. Just watch us go on a good run from now on.
The question is how much funding he needs to replace the amateur part in this club that constantly holds back the ambitious group from creating something positive.
Relax guys. Let's not be twitchy knee jerking folks. We're better than that.
This was a tough game against the Premier League Champions and we played with 10 men more than half the game, and even had two midfielders in the centerback position, one of whom is a 19 year old playing only his 3rd game for the seniors.
Considering the circumstances, the fact that the team put up a fight and only lost 1 - 0 as opposed to getting thoroughly beaten 3 - 0, this is a huge improvement in terms of performance. Had it not been for that stupid sending off, we might be in a different position.
Be that as it may, I'm not too depressed, as I already predicted a loss before this. The fighting spirit, losing only 1-0, I think the team has made excellent progress compared to last season. We're still a work in progress and we'll get there eventually. As long as the team continues to improve on its performances so far, show that fighting spirit and cut down on the stupid defensive mistakes, the points will come.
This was a tough game against the Premier League Champions and we played with 10 men more than half the game, and even had two midfielders in the centerback position, one of whom is a 19 year old playing only his 3rd game for the seniors.
Considering the circumstances, the fact that the team put up a fight and only lost 1 - 0 as opposed to getting thoroughly beaten 3 - 0, this is a huge improvement in terms of performance. Had it not been for that stupid sending off, we might be in a different position.
Be that as it may, I'm not too depressed, as I already predicted a loss before this. The fighting spirit, losing only 1-0, I think the team has made excellent progress compared to last season. We're still a work in progress and we'll get there eventually. As long as the team continues to improve on its performances so far, show that fighting spirit and cut down on the stupid defensive mistakes, the points will come.
In truth, you could make a case that the lack of accurate passing and Rooneys first touch could be put on LVG shoulders.
Once we start winning matches consistently the improvement process will have likely concluded, as we would be where we want to be. The journey towards reaching that point is where the improvement takes place, and it is. We are gradually playing like a team as Van Gaal wants.
The two times that Aguero was easily able to by pass our defense and run straight at De Gea, who fault was that? He is not organizing our defense well and has bought a terrible defender in Rojo. That's totally on him.
10 games in and people are asking how much time does he need? 
The lack of points doesnt mostly go down to him but im seeing something we havent seen for a while, fight. Going 1-0 to them lot last season, and we imploded. The belief is coming back game by game that we can win / come from behind.
Yes we are probably 7 points of par but have we started the same back five in any games consistently? Thats a huge problem for no matter who you are trying to keep clean sheets.
The lack of points doesnt mostly go down to him but im seeing something we havent seen for a while, fight. Going 1-0 to them lot last season, and we imploded. The belief is coming back game by game that we can win / come from behind.
Yes we are probably 7 points of par but have we started the same back five in any games consistently? Thats a huge problem for no matter who you are trying to keep clean sheets.
He needs a lot of time, we have some serious deep-rooted issues that need resolving. He's done it for other clubs and he'll sort us out too. The progress is already really obvious but injuries have slowed things down, I don't think there's a better manager for us right now.
A question here? Could you see LvG signing Chris Smalling like SAF did?
One thing that I like about LvG is that his post-match comments generally reflect reality. So, today he said that Smalling's second yellow was stupid, and that players have to trust their teammates to cover them.
He also said that United are close, but not good enough and need to improve. Again, pretty consistent with what I see at the games. Little to no spin or sugar-coating. I suspect that such clear-eyed observations add to he credibility amongst the squad.
He also said that United are close, but not good enough and need to improve. Again, pretty consistent with what I see at the games. Little to no spin or sugar-coating. I suspect that such clear-eyed observations add to he credibility amongst the squad.
I'll judge Van Gaal more if he doesn't get rid of the likes of Jones/Smalling. That's his job. His job isn't to implant common sense into them. These are grown men, regardless of them being relatively young for footballers.
Exactly, they are battling hard and the team spirit is there. It took SAF a few years to get there and unfortunately it make take a season or two to get us back to the top. The task is that big. Once he has made his signings we will be a fabulous squad that teams will fear.10 games in and people are asking how much time does he need?
The lack of points doesnt mostly go down to him but im seeing something we havent seen for a while, fight. Going 1-0 to them lot last season, and we imploded. The belief is coming back game by game that we can win / come from behind.
Yes we are probably 7 points of par but have we started the same back five in any games consistently? Thats a huge problem for no matter who you are trying to keep clean sheets.
Shut up. Seriously, we lost 3 of the starting back 4 in the summer, why is spending being brought up here? Is he supposed to replace Evra, Vidic and Rio with canteen players? Is he responsible for the injuries to Carrick, Jones, Smalling, Rafael, Valencia, Falcao, Herrera, Blackett, Mcnair, Fellaini that have plagues our season? WTF?
He'll have to continue to be ruthless over the next two transfer windows. We're slowly improving, I do agree, but the results aren't coming.
I think we all know the answer to that.
He is definitely dipping into the market for a defender in Jan.
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