That reminds of theFergie out clamour after we lost to City 5-1
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
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Yeah I've not been a big fan of the subs yet either. Swansea as well I couldn't believe when Herrera came off instead of Fletcher so we could push Fellaini up top.
We'll find out more come Saturday, in terms of the formation, with Di Maria now here.
Not going to lie, they will be ahead of us.
Thankful our PL fixtures didn't start like they were last year. Surely our form will pick up soon. We don't play a decent team until October.
This time last year Moyes beat Liverpool 1-0 in the same round, the same week we drew 0-0 with Chelsea. We are in freefall right now, anything less than a convincing win against Burnley and LVG is going to be under some serious pressure.
On Holland, they played a high tempo team like Chile, who live in South America and still beat them 2-0. Fact is, the system works, but it remains to be seen if tactically inept players can ever play that system. I'd like to believe that the first team has enough tactical players to play that system. The priority remains in signing a proper centre back. The least one can say about the 3-5-2, was that it was fecking hard to break down. Which is the exact opposite of what we're seeing here.
On the rest, well it's possible what you say.
Van Gaal amazed by the fans. Everything he's saying is right. 9 injuries, youth team, and massive errors in our build-up play.
Van Gaal has been in this job for 6 weeks. And unlike at pretty much every other team In the league; he hasn't inherited a broken mess of a team.
He looks shellshocked. United have probably told him that it was all Moyes fault. He has probably realised that no the players are shit.
I regret opening this thread. He isn't an idiot - he'll get it right. The 3-5-2 has to go. Maybe we should get a banner that says "3 games and we're still crap, ta-ra Louis".
I still have complete faith in him. It will come good.
I'll take any sort of win right now.
Nope.
This was a team packed with players Van Gaal wanted to give a chance to, and they failed. We're now out of the biggest waste of time in the footballing calendar, players that didn't perform today will be shown the door, others will be promptly sent on loan.
See.
We trashed Swansea and drew against Chelsea for our first 2 games in the league last season, 4 points from 6. This year we have 1 from 6 against Sunderland and Swansea, with two awful boring performances. Whether people like it or not, we are on the edge of a very deep crisis.
The system worked in the bigger games.
But when the games that Holland were supposed to be favourites they had to change it. Like against Australia, Mexico and Costa Rica.
In the first few months when Rodgers was trying to implement a passing system into Liverpool, defenders made a lot of errors and it took quite a few months to achieve consistency. Expect the same. You can't get a team who's played pass it to the wing and cross to play a possession based game overnight.
Is there really some sort of backlash building? Already? Have a fecking word with yourselves.
No, not you. You at the back there.
No, not you. You at the back there.
I agree, it was just a way of underlining the point. Who cares what he does at the dugout. Wouldn't be able to communicate with his players effectively either way. Suppose fans want to see their own rage reflected in the managers actions.
That is an awful argument to put up for duscussion. We just broke the British transfer record for a player, amongst our sponsorship income and fans support, we also have limitless fund. Moreover, our squad is more settled than Spurs. We have kept on to some players longer than they should have remained, so our team chemistry should be high.
Maybe he has taken over more intelligent and technically able sides before. It will take time, but maybe he is finding out that some of these players are not capable of changing the way he wants. Hopefully with Di Maria he might change the formation. He desperately needs Rafael and Shaw back to even think about going to 442.
Aye, they all won't go I'm sure of that, but I'm looking forward to getting some of them gone, almost as satisfying as the ones coming in for me.
I still have a lot of faith that Van Gaal is the right man. Has he ever 'failed' at any club he managed? I'm not sure he has. We'll come good but right now the club is in a state.
That's true on Chile but I did think the slowness of other games helped them. But like I said, could be wrong.
Agree completely the formation can work and that our all out first 11 could probably do it. I just think even they would be limited just because there's no pace up top (assuming Rooney/RVP who you assume it's designed for) and bringing in ADM to it either means him at Wingback where he's wasted or central am where we have to drop Mata and we then become reliant on whoever is playing wingback to supply well.
The problem there though is that we don't have players bar ADM/Januzaj who can play wingback in an attacking sense imo, maybe Shaw/Rafael but I know in Rafaels case whilst he can run he doesn't often dribble past players and his final ball is erratic. Then defensively we'd really need all our first choice players to be fit and given our record that's unlikely. And even they have mistakes in them i.e. Evans is prone to a brain freeze.
One point out of six against Swansea and Sunderland and an ass kicking from MK Dons, ya would hardly expect anything else now?
Sensible tweet
We played with a bunch of kids that have made the jump into the first team, into a new system they still arent comfortable with.
A few players that have hardly played this season and a few more that know they are out the door.
What exactly was LvG supposed to do? Play his first team and keep his fingers crossed we don't lose another defender or midfielder to injury?
4-0 is a battering but people need to chill out and look at the bigger picture.
None of our new lads are playing (4 of them). Neither one of our first choice strikers. Mata. Etc.
Players playing out of position isn't fair on them but at the end of the day it had to be done and it didn't work.
Move on.
A few players that have hardly played this season and a few more that know they are out the door.
What exactly was LvG supposed to do? Play his first team and keep his fingers crossed we don't lose another defender or midfielder to injury?
4-0 is a battering but people need to chill out and look at the bigger picture.
None of our new lads are playing (4 of them). Neither one of our first choice strikers. Mata. Etc.
Players playing out of position isn't fair on them but at the end of the day it had to be done and it didn't work.
Move on.
What a sad bunch. Moyes wasn't the problem and it hurts to find out now doesn't it? Well, let's still continue to try rationalize somehow that all this is still his fault.
I find it quite obvious that he gave our dross a chance to prove him wrong, and they didn't.
That's why we lost 4-0. I'm frankly shocked that so many have gone off on rants about losing this match.
It's the chemicals they'rethey're on that I worry about
What's this nonsense about LVG being stubborn about changing his system? He changed it 45 mins into the 1st game FFS.
My feeling exactly
I agree. And his comment backs that up almost unequivocally.
When talking about the game to my Arsenal mate he had a pretty good point when I vented my anger towards the 352, he asked was LVG's ego too big to change system now? Its a worrying factor. We're apparently playing this system because we don't have world class wingers, we have one now and Januzaj is perfectly good to play wing too, 99% of managers would now play 4231 or 433, hell, even 442 would be better at this stage!
The players ability is no real excuse for the last 3 performances. That has nothing to do with the organization of the team which has been a shambles so far, nor the ability to press or pass the ball as a team.
Far worse teams are able to play the ball from the back, are able to control in the middle, are able to press as a team, are able to hold a line etc.etc.. The only real excuse is going to be confidence and the transition (learning a new system) - at some point they have to fall at his feet too though.
But the ability of our players is a ridiculous excuse to offer up for the last 3 performances. On paper we're favourites for all 3.
Far worse teams are able to play the ball from the back, are able to control in the middle, are able to press as a team, are able to hold a line etc.etc.. The only real excuse is going to be confidence and the transition (learning a new system) - at some point they have to fall at his feet too though.
But the ability of our players is a ridiculous excuse to offer up for the last 3 performances. On paper we're favourites for all 3.
Does anyone get the feeling he's just experimenting right now? Okay that's a poor excuse, but he's been sat at the dugout writing notes down in his notebook instead of standing up and screaming at the players.
On a side note, when is Luke Shaw back?
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