Devil_forever
You're only young once, you can be immature f'ever
Yeah. No. That would vindicate him, if he didn’t have a history of howlers. He’s just a shit keeper.That would make sense and vindicate Karius to be honest.
Yeah. No. That would vindicate him, if he didn’t have a history of howlers. He’s just a shit keeper.That would make sense and vindicate Karius to be honest.
Yeah. No. That would vindicate him, if he didn’t have a history of howlers. He’s just a shit keeper.
Karius must have been concussed for 6 months, because he's been flapping at shots for ages.
Maybe Dzeko snuck in a cheeky elbow when the ref wasn't looking?
Not what I said at all. All of this is based on RUMOURS that Karius got tested and was positive for a concussion. God knows how media outlets found out the exact details of these tests, down to the number of tests he took, how many came back positive and also the exact doctor that saw over his case.
Then you have the problem of whether the Ramos incident even caused the concussion. Since the test was done well after the game, it's impossible to know what caused the concussion. He could have gotten it on a different set piece, he could have landed awkwardly and hit his head on the ground. He could have got it after the game.
Those two blunders do not fit a concussion unless you are extremely biased and looking towards a concussion as an assumption (was Ulreich also concussed when he lost co-ordination of his hand and legs against Madrid as well???). Otherwise, you would have to conclude that Karius was concussed against Roma when he made a very similar blunder. Or the countless other blunders that he made.
I would actually blame Karius for this as well because if he felt he was concussed, or had any sign of problems in his vision etc, he should've signaled to the Pool bench for attention. Though, I understand, that it being a UCL final and he wouldn't have wanted to come off from such a big occasion, he wouldn't have wanted to put attention on himself incase the Pool bench. Or I'm being very cynical because people in this thread have said players usually can't tell that they are suffering from concussion. Regarding the blame on the Pool bench, I think the incident happened so quickly that maybe they weren't aware of the seriousness of it, plus Karius never showed signs of being in major discomfort for the Pool bench to come over and check him.
One thing I will definitely blame is how Liverpool have treated this after the match. If they have suspicions that Karius was concussed then they should have done much more to show support for him during the incredibly difficult days for him after the match. Instead, Liverpool were silent on the matter in the media and instead leaked rumours of them desperately looking for goalkeepers to replace him.
Say what you want regarding Karius' performances during the final, he was performing at a decent level before that (21 goals in 23 games, with 11 clean sheets, since he became the number 1). If you disregard the final performance then many Liverpool fans would've been okay with keeping Karius as their goalkeeper and spending money to strengthen over parts of the squad. He is still only 24 and can improve further. If Liverpool were okay with him before the final, then, knowing he had a concussion for the most of the second half, they should be showing more faith in him than they are now. Feel bad for him a bit given how he's been treated since that match.
If you don't understand how those mistakes could be caused by a concussion, I see no need to discuss this any further with you.
If you have a concussion, you're not capable of making the decisions you want from him there. I was once concussed during a game. Broke my nose and got knocked out. When I woke up, I wanted to continue playing and actually got angry, because my coach obviously wouldn't let me.
That's true, like I said I'm post I maybe am being very cynical.
Going over Karius' form in the EPL, when compared to De Gea he had better numbers in some key areas. Higher clean sheets per game ratio, aerially stronger (more punches and catches) though he saved less shots. Ofcourse not saying he is in better than De Gea but it does shed light on his form going into the final (for comparison, Mignolet is worse than both De Gea and Karius in all the stats I was looking at).
Considering how young he is for a goalkeeper, there is definitely reason to try and continue with him. But ofcourse for that to be successful you need to show confidence in him following that mental torture, which Liverpool poorly have not.
If, as a professional athlete, you feel you've probably got a concussion and don't inform your medical team, you've made a mistake.
If you've got a concussion, it very likely that you don't know you have a concussion (professional athlete or not).
To me it feels like you're going out of your way, to create unlikely scenarios, instead of accepting that what most likely (not certainly) happened is exactly what I have described. Ramos and Karius had contact. That contact was of a nature forcible enough, to cause a concussion. Shortly thereafter, Karius had two extreme blunders in his game. The first one being so bizarre, that it was even extremely unlike for someone as prone to errors like Karius, to commit it. Then he had another bad one. So you have one blunder so bad, most goalkeepers don't have a single one like that for their whole career and another bad one, in the same game. Even for someone like Karius, that is highly unlikely to happen under normal circumstances.Now you're just being dishonest. Most goalkeeping blunders can be attributed to concussions, because they almost always involve a lack of mental focus, poor co-ordination and slow reaction times. That doesn't mean you fit them to a concussion.
Rumours in the press do not constitute evidence of a concussion. And these very rumours don't even support your theory because the tests were taking after the game. So there's no way to know what caused the concussion IF it exists in the first place.
The final nail in the coffin is that Karius has made similar errors in other games, and unless he was concussed in those as well your concussed theory doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
Effin Ogden won't shut up on how Karius had a concussion.
Can't agree with this. You always feel that there is something wrong. You might feel from a bit sluggish to totally disoriented but there are always indications that your body isn't functioning properly.
Effin Ogden won't shut up on how Karius had a concussion.
Can't agree with this. You always feel that there is something wrong. You might feel from a bit sluggish to totally disoriented but there are always indications that your body isn't functioning properly.
He actually did try
Concussion has actually been confirmed by the hospital - https://www.massgeneral.org/News/newsarticle.aspx?id=6792
German newspaper creating a piece to defend a german player under a german manager. Add to this that Karius has a history of making these types of mistakes (he kicked the ball out for a corner from a goal kick against Sunderland...).
Then you have to find proof of causality. Where is the evidence that Karius was concussed by Ramos...the scan was done after the final so the injury could have happened at any point on the day. According to the article, the Liverpool medical staff were concerned after the game and so sent him to get scanned...so thas negligence for letting him go on for so long with a possible concussion.
It is possible that Karius had a concussion from the Ramos elbow, but not based off the evidence available.
No, he got that afterwards in an unrelated incident.
If you've got a concussion, it very likely that you don't know you have a concussion (professional athlete or not).
I know. I was making a bad joke in regards to the discussion above.The concussion presumably happened just a few minutes before the first goal in the collision with Ramos.
So.... you're basically saying that he's proven himself to be a top keeper & that Liverpool have let him down.
I like it, .
I know. I was making a bad joke in regards to the discussion above.