Livestream out of Syria

syrian_scholes said:
Wishing misfortune(in your opinion if the FSA succeed it's going to be really bad over here) for me and my people shows exactly how much you really care for the Syrian people, very nice. :)
I can never stoop as low as to wishing someone else misfortune just to prove a point, so that's why my discussion with you is over.
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Of course its going to be bad thats why i dont want them to succeed, isn't that evident from my posts in this thread ? You still haven't responded to the video.
 
syrian_scholes said:
Wishing misfortune(in your opinion if the FSA succeed it's going to be really bad over here) for me and my people shows exactly how much you really care for the Syrian people, very nice. :)
I can never stoop as low as to wishing someone else misfortune just to prove a point, so that's why my discussion with you is over.
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Do you care about the Syrian people killed by the FSA?
 
news from Aleppo suburbs are saying that the suburbs are getting shelled by Scud Rockets.
Also this was from a month ago:On December 12, 2012, it was reported by various outlets that the Syrian Army has begun using short-range ballistic missiles against rebels in the Syrian civil war. According to NATO officials, "allied intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance assets" had detected the launch of a number (later reports said at least 6) of unguided, short-range ballistic missiles inside Syria. The trajectory and distance travelled indicated that they were Scud-type missiles, although no information on the type of Scud being used was provided at the time. An American intelligence official,who asked not to be identified, confirmed that missiles had been fired from the Damascus area at targets in northern Syria, where the majority of the rebels' bases and facilities are located.(Also would like to say that me and my friends saw one of them after getting launched and one of my friends took a picture of it as the launching area is very close to our college..)
And news are saying that this rockets are getting used again, and they are the strongest rockets the Syrian Army has.
 
syrian_scholes said:
I'm not going to reply to this silly questions anymore, I'm just going to post videos and news from now on....
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I always thought you are posting here because you want to give a neutral view about the Syrian people suffering at the moment..

As somebody who lives in Syria, you should be giving us both sides of the story, otherwise we can just listen to the Arabic media (that belong to the countries which are pushing for this "revolution").

I don't see a bright future for Syria to be honest.. Because the people who are "revolting", and the people behind them, are just like Assad if not worse.. The difference is that they don't have the power yet.. And you see everyday, the more power they gain, the more crimes they commit, and people like you (knowingly or unknowingly) are just acting like the official Syrian media right now.. In 2 years may be, the FSA will probably rule Syria, killing and torturing people (especially the ones who don't agree with them), and you'll be among the people who go out on TV and say: "It didn't happen" or "It was because of Assad".. Same picture really.
 
Danny1982 said:
I always thought you are posting here because you want to give a neutral view about the Syrian people suffering at the moment..

As somebody who lives in Syria, you should be giving us both sides of the story, otherwise we can just listen to the Arabic media (that belong to the countries which are pushing for this "revolution").

I don't see a bright future for Syria to be honest.. Because the people who are "revolting", and the people behind them, are just like Assad if not worse.. The difference is that they don't have the power yet.. And you see everyday, the more power they gain, the more crimes they commit, and people like you (knowingly or unknowingly) are just acting like the official Syrian media right now.. In 2 years may be, the FSA will probably rule Syria, killing and torturing people (especially the ones who don't agree with them), and you'll be among the people who go out on TV and say: "It didn't happen" or "It was because of Assad".. Same picture really.
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:lol:
Look, you don't know me, I'm actually the most peaceful one between my friends, I'm the one always pointing to the bad things the FSA are doing so we, the young ones, can find a solution, if the FSA become the ones ruling Syria I'm the first one to be revolting against them, just don't talk as if you know so much, you're picturing the FSA as if they were monsters, they are actually civilians of the cities that the regime attacks trying to defend it, they get their weapons from the regime itself, and as I said earlier there is a number of them who steals and kidnapp people for money and do a lot of bad things, they came out after 7 months from the start of the revolution, after the regime killed people protesting, and not to fight the regime at the time, just to protect protests really, there are some people who search for power amongst them, but the Nusra Front and the islamic part of the FSA are actually fighting the bad ones from them, a lot of times now FSA members are getting imprisoned in the FSA jails after finding out their bad doings, at least they are trying to fix themselves unlike the regime, I never supported them blindly, I'm just one of the revolting monsters you are talking about, I'm just a peaceful one who believes in his own people.
 
@Danny, also a thing you don't know about me is that I'm just a 19 year-old med student, I'm in my 3rd year, so I don't think I'll become a tv reporter like you said:lol:, also I don't own a tv in my college so I don't actually watch tv, to be a reporter I think I have to be interested in watching tv at least:lol:.
 
syrian_scholes said:
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Look, you don't know me, I'm actually the most peaceful one between my friends, I'm the one always pointing to the bad things the FSA are doing so we, the young ones, can find a solution, if the FSA become the ones ruling Syria I'm the first one to be revolting against them, just don't talk as if you know so much, you're picturing the FSA as if they were monsters, they are actually civilians of the cities that the regime attacks trying to defend it, they get their weapons from the regime itself, and as I said earlier there is a number of them who steals and kidnapp people for money and do a lot of bad things, they came out after 7 months from the start of the revolution, after the regime killed people protesting, and not to fight the regime at the time, just to protect protests really, there are some people who search for power amongst them, but the Nusra Front and the islamic part of the FSA are actually fighting the bad ones from them, a lot of times now FSA members are getting imprisoned in the FSA jails after finding out their bad doings, at least they are trying to fix themselves unlike the regime, I never supported them blindly, I'm just one of the revolting monsters you are talking about, I'm just a peaceful one who believes in his own people.
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You could be, as I don't know you, hence the (knowingly or unknowingly)..

However, first of all you have to respect others' opinions, and not ridicule the lives of the Syrians killed by the people you like, or ridicule the people bringing them up..

Second, do you agree with suicide bombings?

Third, are you sure the FSA are only getting their weapons from the regime itself?

syrian_scholes said:
@Danny, also a thing you don't know about me is that I'm just a 19 year-old med student, I'm in my 3rd year, so I don't think I'll become a tv reporter like you said:lol:, also I don't own a tv in my college so I don't actually watch tv, to be a reporter I think I have to be interested in watching tv at least:lol:.
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The point wasn't meant to be taken literally.
 
Im absolutely certain that the only actual syrian on this board, who´is the only here actually caught in the middle of this conflict is the only individual on this board who doesnt care about the syrian people :wenger:
 
MichaelS said:
Im absolutely certain that the only actual syrian on this board, who´is the only here actually caught in the middle of this conflict is the only individual on this board who doesnt care about the syrian people :wenger:
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1- I didn't say the "only".

2- Being from a country doesn't necessarily mean that you care about everybody in that country. Otherwise we wouldn't have had any civilian wars in any country.

3- There is a reason why I asked him that question. I want to know where he stands exactly.

4- Being the only Syrian here doesn't mean that there aren't other Syrians with different views, who simply couldn't (or don't want to) join the caf. There are over 20 million people in Syria.. I respect SS' opinion, but that doesn't mean it's beyond any debate.
 
Danny1982 said:
I always thought you are posting here because you want to give a neutral view about the Syrian people suffering at the moment..

As somebody who lives in Syria, you should be giving us both sides of the story, otherwise we can just listen to the Arabic media (that belong to the countries which are pushing for this "revolution").
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What exactly is a neutral view ? I'm more interested in his opinion based on his personal observations than some sort of watered down media report.
 
Some recent pictures from all around Syria...
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Raoul said:
What exactly is a neutral view ? I'm more interested in his opinion based on his personal observations than some sort of watered down media report.
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There are clearly two faces for the conflict in Syria. There are people who are suffering because of the Syrian regime, and there are people who are suffering because of the FSA (or Al Nusra front). There are many people now who are turning against the FSA even in Aleppo, so it can't be for nothing.. A neutral view would be showing both faces of the conflict, what is turning people against Assad, and what's turning people against the FSA.

He has clearly taken a side in this conflict (and he definitely has the right to do so), but that means that his observations might not be neutral, even if he wanted to be neutral.
 
syrian_scholes said:
An interesting interview by BBC with Al-Nusra front... Although I don't agree with them on everything, it's fair to say they are the best there is around here....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21061018
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Taking tea in a neighbour's shop, I met a 30-year-old Nusra Front fighter called Abdullah.

"The Nusra Front is the son of al-Qaeda," he told me.

"We are this close," he went on, rubbing his two index fingers together.

He had worked in a woman's clothes shop before the revolution. And after the revolution?

"No more dresses," he said. He would take the jihad to Somalia, Mali, Jordan, Iraq, "wherever there are Muslims".
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Those are the "best around"? Those are the people you support?
 
SS, have you heard of chemical weapons being used by the regime? There were reports that the US State Department thought they had been in December in Homs but could not gather evidence to corroborate the reports they received. Basically, they don't know but the cases that were reported are similar to ones of chemical weapons use.

I didn't know if you had heard from within Syria that they had been used.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/01/22/secret_syria_chemical_weapons_cable_revealed
 
Sir Matt said:
SS, have you heard of chemical weapons being used by the regime? There were reports that the US State Department thought they had been in December in Homs but could not gather evidence to corroborate the reports they received. Basically, they don't know but the cases that were reported are similar to ones of chemical weapons use.

I didn't know if you had heard from within Syria that they had been used.

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/01/22/secret_syria_chemical_weapons_cable_revealed
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I heard a lot about it being used in various cities in Aleppo and in Homs but as you said no evidence so with nothing to support the claim I can't bring it up.
 
Danny1982 said:
1- I didn't say the "only".

2- Being from a country doesn't necessarily mean that you care about everybody in that country. Otherwise we wouldn't have had any civilian wars in any country.

3- There is a reason why I asked him that question. I want to know where he stands exactly.

4- Being the only Syrian here doesn't mean that there aren't other Syrians with different views, who simply couldn't (or don't want to) join the caf. There are over 20 million people in Syria.. I respect SS' opinion, but that doesn't mean it's beyond any debate.
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I'm just somewhat taken a back by the flak and scrutiny syrian scholes is taken on here from reporting from the ground. Vidareds post more or less saying good riddance in response to the airstrikes on the university which killed some of SS friends, and who himself might die in this conflict, is probably the most insensitive and cynical post I have ever read on the caf.
 
Danny1982 said:
I always thought you are posting here because you want to give a neutral view about the Syrian people suffering at the moment..

As somebody who lives in Syria, you should be giving us both sides of the story, otherwise we can just listen to the Arabic media (that belong to the countries which are pushing for this "revolution").
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This is a really stupid post. He's not a journalist or reporter, why would you expect him to produce a neutral view about what's going on there, when he actually lives in the country as is witness to all that's going on. Neutral is the last thing you should expect. The start of the second paragraph is ridiculous, as somebody who lives in Syria, it's entirely upto him how he wants to update us, given you know, it's his choice. I'm sure he doesn't give a feck what you can choose to listen to, he's giving his first hand experience. Talk about having stupid and unreal expectations.
 
Hectic said:
This is a really stupid post. He's not a journalist or reporter, why would you expect him to produce a neutral view about what's going on there, when he actually lives in the country as is witness to all that's going on. Neutral is the last thing you should expect. The start of the second paragraph is ridiculous, as somebody who lives in Syria, it's entirely upto him how he wants to update us, given you know, it's his choice. I'm sure he doesn't give a feck what you can choose to listen to, he's giving his first hand experience. Talk about having stupid and unreal expectations.
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No it's not stupid Hectic, you just disagree with me on the other points..

I'm not even sure what your point is. Are you saying that he isn't neutral but that's what we should expect? I don't see a major disagreement there, as I already said this:

Danny1982 said:
He has clearly taken a side in this conflict (and he definitely has the right to do so)
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The issue was that some people here think that him being a Syrian means that nobody else should have an opinion, and that we shouldn't even question SS because he lives there.. Am I being stupid for asking him (as a person who lives in Syria) how does it look like for the people who are suffering from the FSA or the Al-Nusra front? Am I stupid for caring about all the Syrians?
 
MichaelS said:
I'm just somewhat taken a back by the flak and scrutiny syrian scholes is taken on here from reporting from the ground. Vidareds post more or less saying good riddance in response to the airstrikes on the university which killed some of SS friends, and who himself might die in this conflict, is probably the most insensitive and cynical post I have ever read on the caf.
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Emotions can get a bit high in debates like this.. I'm sure VidaRed didn't mean SS or his friends in that post. He just has a different view from SS. He thinks that the real power that is fighting Assad right now are groups of terrorists, and he fears the worst if they take over.. There are of course many youtube videos as well that show how cruel and dangerous those people are, just as there are youtube videos that show how cruel those airstrikes were..

I don't think anybody here is attacking SS personally.. Clearly we all wish him and all the Syrians all the best, which is actually part of why some (me included) have some real fears about how will the situation be in Syria if Assad falls and those groups take over. Several months ago some were laughing at these fears (SS included), but it's getting clearer now that those fears are not unfounded.. And it's worrying when Syrians think that a group like Al-Qaeda is the "best around".
 
Danny1982 said:
No it's not stupid Hectic, you just disagree with me on the other points..

I'm not even sure what your point is. Are you saying that he isn't neutral but that's what we should expect? I don't see a major disagreement there, as I already said this:
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I'm saying that there shouldn't be an expectation on him to produce neutral views, when clearly he is only going to be offering his own personal views. This was posted before that post above saying he has the right etc:

Danny1982 said:
As somebody who lives in Syria, you should be giving us both sides of the story
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Your posts on this page came across as condescending towards SS, maybe I've misread and misunderstood, but I doubt it. As someone who lives in Syria, surely it's upto him whatever he wants to report back to here?
 
Hectic said:
I'm saying that there shouldn't be an expectation on him to produce neutral views, when clearly he is only going to be offering his own personal views. This was posted before that post above saying he has the right etc:



Your posts on this page came across as condescending towards SS, maybe I've misread and misunderstood, but I doubt it. As someone who lives in Syria, surely it's upto him whatever he wants to report back to here?
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I agree with the bolded part, and even said it before your post. However, even though you would expect (and probably can't blame) a United fan to see the events through his red-tinted glasses, the perfect scenario would still be that he should be able to see (and show) both sides of the story. However, as you said it's totally up to him if he wants to do that..

Besides, I also got the impression (from some of the posts here) that what he's posting here is seen by some as the neutral truth that's pretty much beyond any debate from anybody here, with which I disagree, but we seem to be on the same page on this.

Having said that, I do disagree with SS over a few things about the situation in Syria, which I made clear in my other posts.
 
Strange position you've taken here Danny. All opinions on this site - whether about football or politics - are just opinions. Its not like SS is some sort of UN special rapporteur or something. He's just a citizen giving his impressions about whats going on there, which probably holds more credibility than our resident arm chair youtube connoisseurs.
 
I've read Danny's post on the last two pages or so- not really sure what the big misunderstanding is? He has explained his views in quite a detail and it all sounds pretty balanced to me, acknowledging the fact that SS' views are understandably biased and subjective, nothing wrong with that, while at the same time pointing out that SS might as well be objectively wrong in some of his assessments. Right?
 
Raoul said:
Strange position you've taken here Danny. All opinions on this site - whether about football or politics - are just opinions. Its not like SS is some sort of UN special rapporteur or something. He's just a citizen giving his impressions about whats going on there, which probably holds more credibility than our resident arm chair youtube connoisseurs.
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Excellent point.
 
JustAFan said:
Excellent point.
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So hypothetically if alex jones was the only yank in the forum his conspiracy theories will be taken as gospel truth and all counter arguments shot down because they're not from usa ? (btw im not implying that ss is the syrian version of alex jones)
 
Mihajlovic said:
I've read Danny's post on the last two pages or so- not really sure what the big misunderstanding is? He has explained his views in quite a detail and it all sounds pretty balanced to me, acknowledging the fact that SS' views are understandably biased and subjective, nothing wrong with that, while at the same time pointing out that SS might as well be objectively wrong in some of his assessments. Right?
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Its basically a long winded way of suggesting that everyone has their own opinion, which should go without saying on an internet discussion forum.
 
Mihajlovic said:
I've read Danny's post on the last two pages or so- not really sure what the big misunderstanding is? He has explained his views in quite a detail and it all sounds pretty balanced to me, acknowledging the fact that SS' views are understandably biased and subjective, nothing wrong with that, while at the same time pointing out that SS might as well be objectively wrong in some of his assessments. Right?
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Exactly, I don't really see where the big disagreement is..
 
Raoul said:
Strange position you've taken here Danny. All opinions on this site - whether about football or politics - are just opinions. Its not like SS is some sort of UN special rapporteur or something. He's just a citizen giving his impressions about whats going on there, which probably holds more credibility than our resident arm chair youtube connoisseurs.
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See this is where we start to disagree. You've added "probably" now at least, but as long as he's not neutral and taking sides in the issue, then "credibility" can't be taken for granted here just because he lives in Syria. Assad also lives in Syria..

A neutral person (who isn't involved in the conflict) seeing the whole conflict from the outside through different sources (not saying that's me by the way) might in the end have a better neutral view that holds more credibility than somebody living in Syria but taking sides in the conflict.

And that's actually the main point I was making..
 
Danny1982 said:
See this is where we start to disagree. You've added "probably" now at least, but as long as he's not neutral and taking sides in the issue, then "credibility" can't be taken for granted here just because he lives in Syria. Assad also lives in Syria..

A neutral person (who isn't involved in the conflict) seeing the whole conflict from the outside through different sources (not saying that's me by the way) might in the end have a better neutral view that holds more credibility than somebody living in Syria but taking sides in the conflict.

And that's actually the main point I was making..
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A person outside Syria, not involved in the conflict wouldn't necessarily be neutral. They might have their own political views that compel them to cherry pick their preferred YouTube clips on the matter, whilst ignoring others. That's why its better to have a proper Syrian who is on the ground giving their opinion. At least he is actually connected with what's happening there, rather than the rest of us who are primarily seeking to score e-argument points on a web forum.
 
A student at my college was killed 2 days ago and a girl who was with him was wounded due to a shoting from people who tried to kinapp them, he is his parents only child and this was his last semester in the college as he was going to graduate, also he is from Homs and known to be against the regime, the kidnappers are from Falita, a village not with nor against the regime, they are well known to be criminals from before the revolution, and now they've taken advantage of the situation here as the FSA and the regime are both not present near our college to defend us and they've been kidnapping a student almost everyday.
 
Also the college disconnected the internet since he died until 10 minutes ago fearing a reaction from the students.
 
Raoul said:
A person outside Syria, not involved in the conflict wouldn't necessarily be neutral. They might have their own political views that compel them to cherry pick their preferred YouTube clips on the matter, whilst ignoring others. That's why its better to have a proper Syrian who is on the ground giving their opinion. At least he is actually connected with what's happening there, rather than the rest of us who are primarily seeking to score e-argument points on a web forum.
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Danny1982 said:
A neutral person (who isn't involved in the conflict) seeing the whole conflict from the outside through different sources (not saying that's me by the way) might in the end have a better neutral view that holds more credibility than somebody living in Syria but taking sides in the conflict.
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How is that a reply to my statement?

I think we're going in circles here..
 
Raoul said:
A person outside Syria, not involved in the conflict wouldn't necessarily be neutral. They might have their own political views that compel them to cherry pick their preferred YouTube clips on the matter, whilst ignoring others. That's why its better to have a proper Syrian who is on the ground giving their opinion. At least he is actually connected with what's happening there, rather than the rest of us who are primarily seeking to score e-argument points on a web forum.
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I'll remind you of your own statement from above the next time we talk about Bosnia and Serbia..
 
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