You know feck all about human rights if you think anyone would care about gassing Arabs with Sarin when only a few 100's of miles away opressed Arabs wake up to see plans for a Jewish neighbourhood.
Livestream out of Syria
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You know feck all about human rights if you think anyone would care about gassing Arabs with Sarin when only a few 100's of miles away opressed Arabs wake up to see plans for a Jewish neighbourhood.
Any word on SS?
Hehe...You could make a good lawyer representing Al-Bashir if he ever ends up in The Hague.
"The West" vs VidaRed
I started writing up this long response about the UN, nations acting in their own self interest, the "common good" etc etc. Not disagreeing with you but just expanding on issues and when I get to the end I realized I could say it in a much shorter way.
The UN right now is acting as it is designed to and that the people and nations of the world are not quite at a place where they are ready to give the UN the type of authority that would make it work better. Not sure we will see that in our lifetime.
Won't happen. The very notoin is ludicrous. The EU won't even accept one member (Turkey) which doesn't blend well with rest, so who in their right minds would expect N. American and European countries to put their foreign interests in the hands of dozens of Asian/African states which outnumber them automatically in any vote.
I'm fine, can't get out of my college dorms, can't go home, been 6 weeks since I last saw my parents, internet rarely works, I have no money with me to buy food, no water here, I have no clean clothes, but at least I'm still alive...
I'm fine, can't get out of my college dorms, can't go home, been 6 weeks since I last saw my parents, internet rarely works, I have no money with me to buy food, no water here, I have no clean clothes, but at least I'm still alive...
Very glad to hear you're still alive mate. Hope you stay safe.
I'm fine, can't get out of my college dorms, can't go home, been 6 weeks since I last saw my parents, internet rarely works, I have no money with me to buy food, no water here, I have no clean clothes, but at least I'm still alive...
Good to hear from you. Keep safe. Hopefully you've seen the worst of this mess already, though I am afraid this pales into comparison with what's still ahead.
End of 2012 statistics:
More than 41 thousand civilian killed in Syria this year, the numbers don't include Syrian killed in both the FSA and Syrian Army, those people all killed in protests and because of the shelling on most of the Syrian cities...
P.S:Want to point out I'm safely back to my home, but I'm going back to my university in 2 days..
More than 41 thousand civilian killed in Syria this year, the numbers don't include Syrian killed in both the FSA and Syrian Army, those people all killed in protests and because of the shelling on most of the Syrian cities...
P.S:Want to point out I'm safely back to my home, but I'm going back to my university in 2 days..
41,000+ ?
Staggering figures SS.
Staggering figures SS.
I'm fine, can't get out of my college dorms, can't go home, been 6 weeks since I last saw my parents, internet rarely works, I have no money with me to buy food, no water here, I have no clean clothes, but at least I'm still alive...
Do you have any relatives in Lebanon? A lot of Syrians over here at the moment, see if you can get out of there.
The World Service have just featured a report on a possible shift in the support for the rebels in Aleppo. The FSA's continued involvement in theft, looting and kidnappings is causing citizenry to turn away from then and toward the Al-Nusra Front for protection.
On 15/1/2013 more than 80 students in aleppo university were killed because of the shelling from military airforce on the college.
These video is from Darya today, this city is in Damscus suburbs, it's actually very close to where I live...
VidaRed quoting MEMRI. You gotta love ME shit.
If the Al-Nusra Front do indeed become the dominant rebel faction at least in Aleppo, what do people think the wider consequences of this might be? Will their ideology temper the support being provided from outside the country generally?
2 mil refugees...war seems to have stagnated, how much longer will Turkey continue to prop up the rebels?
Today I saw and felt and heard a mig 23 aircraft shelling at about 300 meters away from where I was standing near my college! How can I respond to this fake shit you posted after what I just saw and after all the shit I've been through? How can I believe this fake shit you posted while some of my friends and family was killed due to the shelling from the regime?
See this picture? This was taken from my college cafeteria after the shelling from an aircraft! How can you react to the sounds of girls screaming around you because of this bitch of a regime? How can you defend a regime that killed more than 88 college students in an aircraft shelling few days ago in another college(Aleppo University)? My friends there saw the aircraft while it was shelling, 2 of my friends died in the shelling! I can't even say how silly this video you posted look even if it wasn't fake compared to the shit the regime is doing!
Today I saw and felt and heard a mig 23 aircraft shelling at about 300 meters away from where I was standing near my college! How can I respond to this fake shit you posted after what I just saw and after all the shit I've been through? How can I believe this fake shit you posted while some of my friends and family was killed due to the shelling from the regime?
See this picture? This was taken from my college cafeteria after the shelling from an aircraft! How can you react to the sounds of girls screaming around you because of this bitch of a regime? How can you defend a regime that killed more than 88 college students in an aircraft shelling few days ago in another college(Aleppo University)? My friends there saw the aircraft while it was shelling, 2 of my friends died in the shelling! I can't even say how silly this video you posted look even if it wasn't fake compared to the shit the regime is doing!
Good thing he's flushing out the terrorist scum then. Part of me wants these terrorists to succeed just so in future you learn what barbaric scum they are when the sword will dangling over the necks of anyone who doesn't share the same view as them. I have countless videos that show the true face of these terrorists but that wont change your mind and you cant change mine so there's no point in arguing.
Just see this
Blowing up a mosque and shouting allah akbar is mind boggling
only highly deluded people can do such a thing.Always good to see remote, armchair experts chiming in and telling people on the ground what its really like there.
The same can be said about you, no? You're choosing to believe certain sources while automatically discrediting opposing sources, thousands of miles away.
Not necessarily. If reporting is credible, I'm willing to look at it. I'm not however prepared to tell Syrian Scholes - a Syrian who has actually been inside Syria the entire time - that his experiences are false. Ultimately, people inside Syria are more likely to know whats going on in their own country, rather than outsiders who cherry pick stories to suit their preferred political agenda.
Well with all respect due to Syrian Scholes his views don't represent the entire Syrian consensus. Its safe to say there probably exist millions of Syrians with opposing view points on the conflict, though unfortunately not a single one of them posts on the Caf it seems, hence we're going to get a very one-sided outlook on this conflict.
And SS - I'm not deliberately demeaning your first-hand accounts but I find it curious how you regard every story damning of the regime to be 100% legitimate, all the while you chose to indefinitely label every story regarding atrocities committed by the FSA as fake, guileless propaganda. Don't you think you're painting a slightly black and white portrayal suited to your own stance?
And SS - I'm not deliberately demeaning your first-hand accounts but I find it curious how you regard every story damning of the regime to be 100% legitimate, all the while you chose to indefinitely label every story regarding atrocities committed by the FSA as fake, guileless propaganda. Don't you think you're painting a slightly black and white portrayal suited to your own stance?
The stories that damn the regime are probably legitimate given that all of this is Assad's fault. If he had instituted proper reforms that gave the majority a voice, the original Arab spring sentiment that led to conflict in Syria would have been averted. Every subsequent group that has risen up can therefore be attributed to Assad's delusional inaction and his subsequent attempts to squash it.
See, ironically all those definitive opinions sound like they source from the armchair of a self-proclaimed expert. You're making a lot of wonderful, retrospective assumptions -namely that all of this definitely wouldn't have happened had Assad been more firm with his reforms, and that all of this violence is down to him.
There's certain inconsistencies with that theory though - namely that the Islamists, who have now undoubtedly proven to make up a considerable core of the FSA, have no interest in democracy. It would hence be safe to presume that such reforms you speak would not have satisfied them, regardless of how extensively they've been implemented. Does this not suggest that their motives might be a little bit more sinister, and perhaps of a more sectarian nature?
There's certain inconsistencies with that theory though - namely that the Islamists, who have now undoubtedly proven to make up a considerable core of the FSA, have no interest in democracy. It would hence be safe to presume that such reforms you speak would not have satisfied them, regardless of how extensively they've been implemented. Does this not suggest that their motives might be a little bit more sinister, and perhaps of a more sectarian nature?
It should come as no surprise that Islamists are involved in a minority Shi'a dictatorship. That's why my point about this being Assad's responsibility is solid. My opinions are just that, as well as analysis based on reported observations from credible media sources. Naturally if there are actual Syrians willing to come on here and refute what I'm saying i would be willing to listen - as should you, and Vida Red, when SS has something to say.
Good debate on Al Jazeera last night - they had a representative of the Syrian Coalition, and a couple of other pundits on.
The Syrian Coalition rep was upset Al Nusra has been classified as a terrorist organization - though he admitted they had carried out suicide bombings across Syria and Damascus in particular(hard for him to deny it, after Al Nusra admitted it themselves!)
He was also taken to task by one of the pundits who said he had been in Libya during the war there and that while the NTC had a ton of issues, they also had a lot of support on the ground...Particularly in the East and yes as the war waged on even in Tripoli.
But that in Syria the situation is completely different, there are NO senior Coalition leaders on the ground, the masses don't know the exiled leaders and certainly don't support them. So it is natural that groups like Al Nusra are gaining traction - while they might not be what the people want...they have boots on the ground, they are providing security, medical care and food for the displaced.
One of the pundits had a go at the Coalition leaders for being tv/talk show whores, and how futile it was...seeing as in places like Aleppo, they barely have electricity - so who are these senior exiled coalition leaders preaching to?
The Coalition rep spent the whole interview deflecting and was a poor poor interview, but interestingly enough, the other two pundits while tearing the Coalition apart, and pointing out the dangers of groups like Al Nusra(regularly funded by AQ and it's affiliates), they still believed it was but a matter of time until the opposition won and Assad destroyed.
The Syrian Coalition rep was upset Al Nusra has been classified as a terrorist organization - though he admitted they had carried out suicide bombings across Syria and Damascus in particular(hard for him to deny it, after Al Nusra admitted it themselves!)
He was also taken to task by one of the pundits who said he had been in Libya during the war there and that while the NTC had a ton of issues, they also had a lot of support on the ground...Particularly in the East and yes as the war waged on even in Tripoli.
But that in Syria the situation is completely different, there are NO senior Coalition leaders on the ground, the masses don't know the exiled leaders and certainly don't support them. So it is natural that groups like Al Nusra are gaining traction - while they might not be what the people want...they have boots on the ground, they are providing security, medical care and food for the displaced.
One of the pundits had a go at the Coalition leaders for being tv/talk show whores, and how futile it was...seeing as in places like Aleppo, they barely have electricity - so who are these senior exiled coalition leaders preaching to?
The Coalition rep spent the whole interview deflecting and was a poor poor interview, but interestingly enough, the other two pundits while tearing the Coalition apart, and pointing out the dangers of groups like Al Nusra(regularly funded by AQ and it's affiliates), they still believed it was but a matter of time until the opposition won and Assad destroyed.
Expatriate leaders with a greater media influence than the practical, sounds reminiscent of what occurred prior to and shortly after the Iraq conflict.
I can't help but think that as groups like Al-Nusra further consolidate their position, that the outside world or at least some nation will be tempted by better the devil they know. How and when such manifests itself...only time will tell.
I can't help but think that as groups like Al-Nusra further consolidate their position, that the outside world or at least some nation will be tempted by better the devil they know. How and when such manifests itself...only time will tell.
Ahmed Chalabi - the Iraqi National Congress(INC)
The thick as shit media(and I'm being kind here, more like complicit) feeding the masses complete and utter lies.Well mate, all the stories I post are the ones I'm 100% sure of, it's things I've seen with my own eyes and people who I trust 100% saw with their own eyes, also I'm not saying the FSA are saints but the just aren't as bad as the regime, and also Al-Nusra front are actually helping people and aren't as bad as the media makes them to be, they don't only fight the regime, they also provide people with supplies from things the regime took from them such as bread and other kinds of food, although would like to point out that there are some groups that claim to be a part of the FSA(and some of them are), kidnapp people for money or steal cars and do other bad things, Al-Nusra front and other islamist groups of the FSA are fighting those groups.
I know this song is in Arabic, but the pictures in the video are all taken from Syria and are really painfull, I cried many times watching this video...
Horrible scenes. Syrians deserve alot better, and I hope this is what you get when Assad is gone.
Don't understand why people must make it out to be black and white. It's a bloody civil war and the regime is committing atrocities, and I'm sure there groups of the rebels committing atrocities. Rules of engagement go out the window in the heat of a conflict.
I'm rooting for syrian scholes
I'm rooting for syrian scholes
Good thing he's flushing out the terrorist scum then. Part of me wants these terrorists to succeed just so in future you learn what barbaric scum they are when the sword will dangling over the necks of anyone who doesn't share the same view as them. I have countless videos that show the true face of these terrorists but that wont change your mind and you cant change mine so there's no point in arguing.
Just see this
Blowing up a mosque and shouting allah akbar is mind boggling
Wishing misfortune(in your opinion if the FSA succeed it's going to be really bad over here) for me and my people shows exactly how much you really care for the Syrian people, very nice.
I can never stoop as low as to wishing someone else misfortune just to prove a point, so that's why my discussion with you is over.