Liverpool's squad - any interest?

marjen said:
Of course he's idolised. Rightly. As is Ferguson. My point was that if Ferguson acts like a twat, I'm more than willing to admit it(mostly). Like, for instance, regarding his comments to the press about "real supporters".

But while King Kenny wears a "Free Suarez" t-shirt like some rebellious teen, and acts like a 12-year old in interviews with the press, Liverpool-fans rallied behind him like some kind of righteous martyr swimming against the endless tide of United and FA conspiracies. It took a forced apology ordered by the owners before Liverpool-fans could say anything negative about his comments during Suarez-gate, and even then they hailed him for "apologizing even though Evra and United were at fault".

My point is great achievements in the past doesn't mean you have to idolise everything said person do. And Liverpool-fans DO seem rather prone to this sort of behaviour.
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Fair point. In fairness Kenny did let himself down towards the end of his recent reign. What started off as humourous put downs of the hacks at the end of his first season soon became more snipey. After the Suarez affair, and particular the t-shirts which was perhaps an error of judgement, seige mentality kicked in and he was always on teh defensive.

I didn't like to see that side of Kenny and it was sad to see him go through it. That will in no way tarnish my memories of his playing days and early managerial days during which he earned his hero status ten fold. A year of doing what he thought was right for the club (but perhaps turned out not to be) won't erase that at all.

Long live the King. :angel:
 
Kraftwerker said:
I've already said Anderson has not been good enough for United.

Charlie Adam isn't idolised, because he's shit and has no success to his name. Not even a few stand-out performances which contributed to success, the minimum requirement to get you legend status at Anfield (Luis Garcia).

Anderson would not be viewed the same if he had achieved what he has at United, at Liverpool. You'd love him, as you do people like Luis Garcia, who were mostly average, but had some stand-out performances in one or two successful seasons. Typically that's not enough at United, but when success is few and far between, you'll take anything.

John O'Shea is held in high esteem by most sensible United fans for his solid and dependable contribution to our success, and is another good example of what I'm talking about, as he's another who LFC fans liked to make snidey comments about.

If John O'Shea played for Liverpool, and had won everything he did, making 40+ appearances a season, like he did for United, he'd be revered. There's simply no doubt about it. In terms of talent he's only one level below clogger Carragher, who is probably one of the biggest LFC legends in modern times.

The fact is, it's funny when people like you take the piss out of these players, who would be LFC legends or at least held in very high regard if they'd done the same at your club. That's what amuses me.
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Jesus Christ KW you're hard work. I have explained why I mentioned Anderson, you're having a debate about something which isn't being debated.

Let me put this simply for you.

Did you or did you not get excited about signing Anderson when the signing was announced (like I did with Keane and Downing [apparently])?
 
M'n'M said:
Fair point. In fairness Kenny did let himself down towards the end of his recent reign. What started off as humourous put downs of the hacks at the end of his first season soon became more snipey. After the Suarez affair, and particular the t-shirts which was perhaps an error of judgement, seige mentality kicked in and he was always on teh defensive.

I didn't like to see that side of Kenny and it was sad to see him go through it. That will in no way tarnish my memories of his playing days and early managerial days during which he earned his hero status ten fold. A year of doing what he thought was right for the club (but perhaps turned out not to be) won't erase that at all.

Long live the King. :angel:
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I don't like Ferguson having snipes at certain sections of our support who's opposing the Glazers in various ways.

As you say though it obviously won't tarnish his reputation for me or his standing. His achievements are still something I'll love him for.

This is where I feel a lot of football fans lack perspective, and last season with the tribal mess that the Suarez-affair became(on both sides) I felt many, many supporters from your side lost that perspective completely. I think you would be the first to boo a player like Suarez for every single game of his had he played for United, I know I'd probably boo him, as much for his antics on the field as for the case with Evra - I hope I wouldn't boo Evra had he played for Liverpool.
 
M'n'M said:
Jesus Christ KW you're hard work. I have explained why I mentioned Anderson, you're having a debate about something which isn't being debated.

Let me put this simply for you.

Did you or did you not get excited about signing Anderson when the signing was announced (like I did with Keane and Downing [apparently])?
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Yes, but the comparison is invalid. I was probably most excited about Anderson after his first season, when he'd already established himself in midfield at the age of 18 and contributed to us winning a Premier League and CL double. He was also comfortably ahead of Nani in terms of impact and development and looked the better purchase of the two.

A mixture of injuries, lack of consistency, and a failure to kick on like Nani did put paid to that comparison. He's still probably been MOTM or thereabouts (top 3) in about 40 or 50 games for us, but has not been anywhere near good enough in terms of the standards expected at United. Doesn't mean I won't laugh at snidey comments from Liverpool fans where he'd be revered for a similar contribution.
 
Snidey comments in response to yours you mean? ;)
 
Its one thing to be excited about somebody like Anderson or even Suarez - young and only seen on carefully edited youtube clicks. It was amazing though to see Liverpool fans excited about signings like Downing. Proper journeyman, had been around the league for ages producing very little and generally looking boring. Its funny how they managed to delude themselves.
 
M'n'M said:
The thread that just keeps on giving. Which division do you see him as a top 4 player? As much as I love/loved Rafa, Aquilani was definitely one of his poorer decisions. He doesn't have the mentality for English football.
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I know he's not been great in England, but at least he can do something more than pass it sideways or wack a hollywood ball. He's better than all you got in cm.

And I would rather have Evans than Martin 'I'm tough because I've got tattoos' Skrtel as well. Agger is comparable in quality, though, a bit better going forward (at which Evans is no mug).
 
Tomuś said:
I know he's not been great in England, but at least he can do something more than pass it sideways or wack a hollywood ball. He's better than all you got in cm.

And I would rather have Evans than Martin 'I'm tough because I've got tattoos' Skrtel as well. Agger is comparable in quality, though, a bit better going forward (at which Evans is no mug).
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So he's the best midfielder we've got at Anfield, yet a succession of Liverpool managers have shipped him out on loan, & no-one wants to take him off our hands :wenger:

Our midfield ain't that bad mate.
 
Tomuś said:
He's better than all you got in cm.

And I would rather have Evans than Martin 'I'm tough because I've got tattoos' Skrtel as well. Agger is comparable in quality, though, a bit better going forward (at which Evans is no mug).
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He really isn't.

And again I disagree but I suppose I'll put that down to favouritism on both our parts.

No excuse for your Aquilani opinion though ;)
 
Liverpool are playing tonight in the Europa league.

Joe "better than Messi" Cole starts.

Liverpool FC ‏@LFC
Confirmed #LFC team v Gomel: Jones, Johnson, Enrique, Carragher, Skrtel, Henderson, Spearing, Gerrard, Downing, Cole, Borini.

Liverpool FC ‏@LFC
#LFC subs: Gulacsi, Lucas, Adam, Shelvey, Kelly, Robinson, Sterling.
 
Liverpool are playing abysmal. Terrible. Carragher kept them at 0-0 with a great tackle. Lin balls everywhere

Interestingly Aggers not in the squad but his agent says he's fit.. Maybe off.
 
1-0 good downing goal after liverpools first real attack.

Gomel (sp) hit the post and missed a good chance a few minutes before.
 
retardman5 said:
So he's the best midfielder we've got at Anfield, yet a succession of Liverpool managers have shipped him out on loan, & no-one wants to take him off our hands :wenger:

Our midfield ain't that bad mate.
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Would that amaze you?

I'm not telling your midfield is bad. It's average to decent but Aquilani's at least more than decent cm.
 
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