Are we going to say this every year then?
Liverpool 2018/19
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Are we going to say this every year then?
No, it's the first time I've said it.
The media love Klopp and shower your club with praise - they always do. Nothing new here.
The forum is loaded with Liverpool threads - it's prime boom-bust season. Nothing new here either.
United fans are giving you credit - they are not United fans.
Salah is becoming a superstar - Pogba is a world cup winner.
You made the CL final - and ultimately lost it due to the opposing team being vastly superior in every aspect.
You're playing the best football in Europe - subjective. Disagreed.
Now for some facts:
The last time Liverpool won a league title - 28 years and counting. Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister.
The last time Liverpool won a CL - 13 years and counting. Jerzy Dudek was your goalkeeper.
The last time Liverpool won an FA cup - 12 years and counting. Harry Kewell was a Liverpool player.
Relevance.
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Their first XI is very strong but 1 injury to their front 3 and they're resorting to the likes of Shaqiri, Sturridge and Solanke. Bang average.
That put a smile on my face. Better be careful, mind you, you are actively criticising a club that are "playing the best football in Europe", so there's bound to be a backlash from all the true fans, and footballing purists ( sycophants ) out there.
City finished 25 points ahead of Liverpool and they have it in the bag for the rest of Pep's tenure. Their squad is also by far the best both in terms of quality and depth. Once Pep leaves, the league will be up for grabs again. In 15/16, when the leauge was wide open, Leicester took advantage of it, not Liverpool. In 16/17 Chelsea stepped up and despite all of Liverpool's improvements, they ended up finishing 4th last season. Alisson, Keita & Co are good transfers, but they won't make a 25 points difference. Not even close.
These predictions about the next seasons a somewhat mood. One good/bad transfer window can change a lot for teams like Liverpool (or United).
These predictions about the next seasons a somewhat mood. One good/bad transfer window can change a lot for teams like Liverpool (or United).
Do you really believe that. We've hardly been tipped to challenge in the last 20 years or so.. Prior to a season, when was the last time you expected us to challenge?
Even United friendly pundits are suggesting the same.
To suggest they’re not relevant is ridiculous and just plain stubborn
Almost haunting when you think about things purely in terms of trophies. It's not like we haven't been in the conversation but we've really struggled to get over the line in recent years.
Since 2012 we've lost a Europa League final, CL final, FA cup final, League Cup final and threw the league away at the end in 13/14. feck me.
Since 2012 we've lost a Europa League final, CL final, FA cup final, League Cup final and threw the league away at the end in 13/14. feck me.
We arent talking about me - we are talking about pundits. Liverpool are always touted as one of the biggest and best teams in the league by pundits. To suggest they haven't been is ridiculous - It's been Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea and to a lesser degree Arsenal talked up every damned season for years - in the last 5 years or so City have got mentioned and sometimes Spurs but thats it.
Are Liverpool fans haunted by the fact they used to bang on about 18 leagues and 5 European cups for so long, but now apparently trophies don't really matter too much?
Of course they matter! It's just that some of us have had our false dawns and meltdowns over the years, so we've learned to be patient and lower our expectations.
If Manchester United keep up the way they're doing, you will eventually get there too.
Who is Chelsea resorting to if Hazard Willian and Morata get injured? Who plays up front for Barça if Messi Suarez and Dembele are injured? There is almost always a major drop-off in quality. I wouldn't even mind Sturridge leading our line given how he played this season and Firmino's form.Yes.
Do United fans see the irony in that winning the 2 competitions they dismissed as dross for years, took them past Liverpools honours list total?
Trophies don't matter too much? They mean everything. That's not the only marker of a manager doing a good job and improving a side, is the general point being made.
what competitions are you meaning? League Cup and Europa? Yes they're dross compared to the League/ CL, but they're still trophies. We want to win every trophy available to us. Couldn't care less about Liverpool's honours list total really.
What do you mean by that? The best football in the CL or the best football across Europe? The latter is obviously wrong (4th in the PL, 25 pts behind the champions) and the former is highly controversial. You played only one top team on the road to the final and had luck with referee decisions while Madrid beat PSG, Juve and Bayern. And beat you in the final. This is the Cafe, not RAWK.
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Fair enough.
Barca have the likes of Malcom, and Coutinho who can chip in at a wing-position. Chelsea has Giroud and Pedro. Giroud has a good injury record and is more reliable than the Studge.
Liverpool are one of the biggest teams in the league, there is no disputing that fact. We've not been tipped to win the league this season only to challenge, the majority of the pundits are tipping Man City for the title. It's advantage for Spurs not be talked up by the pundits there's much less pressure on you guys.
If Spurs had spent what we spent this summer you would of been talked up too, but there's a feeling about Spurs that they're just content being in the Top 4 and the lack of spending in recent years to push on to the next level kind of reinforces that.
You're attempting to make a distinction where there isn't one. The two events, being tipped to win the title and challenging for the title, are not mutually exclusive. They are one and the same thing. Liverpool either challenges for the title or they do not.
You want Liverpool to be talked up as title challengers minus the added pressure the comes with such ambition. You want your cake and you want to eat it too.
Poch didn't spend a penny over the summer, whilst Klopp and Liverpool were the biggest spenders in the premier league. The expectations of both teams, at least for this season, are not comparable.
Wasn't the season after Rodgers finished 2nd about to be THE season? You brought in players for 120m pounds or something and again were playing the "best football" in Europe?
Malcom is all hype at the moment and has done next to nothing to prove he's better than Shaqiri, and they lose a lot of quality in midfield if they shift Coutinho out wide. Giroud isn't better than Sturridge. We could play Oxlade-Chamberlain or Milner on the wing and still play our favoured system. I just hate these hypothetical "but what if their front three gets injured" type of things, for starters our entire front three has a quite excellent injury record.
There won't be a title challenge this season, from no one.
No, it's attention getting. The poster said that to get responses and that's what happened. He knows it. One of the biggest clubs in the world will always be relevant. It's a bad spell in here for some people and could get worse after this weekend.
Come off it. It's complete nonsense to say that it wasn't easier to win back then. The trade-off, of course, was that it was more difficult to qualify for, at least from a competitive league, because you either had to win your league or win the European Cup. Nowadays, as we know, you can finish 4th and get in.
I don't know how you can say with that degree of certainty that Liverpool would have enjoyed the same European success when the competition is so much more difficult to win in its current format.
The thing about barely being able to lose back then is utter nonsense too. The old format basically had a tie against a really, really shite team in place of the group stage (you even had a fecking bye through that one year), so if you lost that then you weren't winning the thing anyway. Get through that and you're in the last 16, except it's a far weaker bracket than you see today.
There'd be plenty more pitfalls for Liverpool if the current format was in place back then, including their domestic rivals, and the title challengers from the other top nations.
I swear the only reason you guys try so hard to make it seem like the European Cup was difficult to win is because you're actually seething that United have more in the current format.
Liverpool were generally the best side in Europe from 77-84. Whatever the format, however you want to paint it. Seems to me the only reason you guys like to undermine it is that you're seething because despite your domestic dominance in Prem during Ferguson's era, you never had a period of European dominance anything like Liverpool's spell.
Why is this even an issue? Is it brought up by Inter and Barca fans as well to belittle the EC tally of Milan and Real or is it only on here that it happens? It was probably easier, who the feck cares, we won them, they count and they are part of our history. I wouldn't trade our 18-5 for your 20-3.
I was expecting a witty retort in response to my post, but much like the club you love and adore, you failed to deliver.
Unfortunate.
In the 8 seasons from 77-84, Liverpool won 6 league titles, 4 European Cups & 4 League Cups (was far more prestigious then, than nowadays). That's not counting Charity Shields or Super Cups.
To attempt to undermine how good Liverpool were in comparison to their Euro counterparts during that period is desperate, ultimately futile and largely propagated by the Sky/PL/FIFA Manager playing generation of fans.
So Liverpool is merely 'challenging' for second place. Are the board going to be content with that after Klopp shelled out a minor fortune in the transfer market over the summer?
As for this new buzzword, "relevant", I for one, do not care whether rival fans, clubs or pundits, deem Liverpool to be relevant (whatever the f### that's supposed to actually mean!).
I wasn't born back then but looking at the format and the opposition, it's safe to say it did look easier to win it back then. Doesn't mean we wouldn't have won it if it was the same format because we were genuinely one of the best sides, if not the best, in Europe during that period, yes.
Whichever the format or whoever the compeititon, they count as much as any other trophy.
Yes.
Are Utd's board content after Jose shelled out a major fortune the past 2 years?
Multiple teams are expected to challenge but one team in this case Man City is expected to win it. Or are you saying the odds are the same for Man City, United, Spurs,Chelsea and Liverpool to win it?
And i doubt Spurs fans would agree with you that the expectations of Spurs and Liverpool are not comparable, they have a brilliant settled squad with a top manager. We've obviously spent a lot this season but Spurs have been better than us for how many seasons now?
By using your logic I'm guessing you're expecting United to blow Spurs away considering the the amount you've spent in comparison to them in recent years?
Presumably yes... because the club has made a major fortune off the pitch again
Yes they and the fans will be happy.
Based on the evidence that has been made available from the media - Woody refusing to sanction the sales of certain players that Jose had deemed surplus to requirements, on top of refusing to buy the players he wanted - I would so no, they are clearly not content.
In fact, unless there is a major upsurge in performance on the pitch, Jose could very well be out of the hotseat before the turn of the year.
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