That is one weird post. I dont get what your'e saying. Especially the first bit.
Liverpool 2018/19
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That is one weird post. I dont get what your'e saying. Especially the first bit.
Would be shocked if Henderson starts against West Ham to be honest. Think this is the season he finally loses his starting spot. We definitely spent 40m on Fabinho to start him and I dont think Henderson has the attributes to play any other position in midfield other than 6. Where he was initially deployed there as the least talented of our midfielders. Now He's lost his athleticism, reckon he'd struggle going box to box
This not being a world cup or Euro year, I think we should keep him. We are not going to get much for him, and with his injury trouble, not many decent teams will want him.
Can be a super-sub though. Not many team have strikers of his quality on the bench. That bench is starting to look rather deep and talented.
Sturridge, Shaqiri, Fabinho/Henderson, Lallana, Wijnaldum, the kids. I like it.
They'll both get their fair share of minutes but at the end of the day the depth is the important thing. Fabinho is a level above in my opinion and needs to get acclimated, I expect him to start slow and be rotated heavily in the first half of the season. He'll definitely be starting the season though given he's played most of pre season.
How exactly has he lost his athleticism ?
Still think it's stupid to instantly expect us to challenge Manchester City as a result of the activity this summer. Winning the title is a squad dependent game and ours still absolutely pales in comparison with theirs.
The first XI can match up with them but beyond that the drop off is big for us, and we can't expect our first eleven to 1) remain fit the whole season and 2) to play every game. Odds are still stacked heavily in their favour.
Think Fabinho will be slowly introduced to proceedings. Him and Keita have barely played together in pre season.
The first XI can match up with them but beyond that the drop off is big for us, and we can't expect our first eleven to 1) remain fit the whole season and 2) to play every game. Odds are still stacked heavily in their favour.
Think Fabinho will be slowly introduced to proceedings. Him and Keita have barely played together in pre season.
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Really surprising how many are falling for this supposed Sturridge rebirth. He's been crocked and absolutely unreliable for four years. Cannot see what will change now. Most players would have been bombed out.
Henderson is likely to start more crucial games than Fabinho IMO. Not sure what you mean by "Now he's lost his athleticism". That is just wrong!
I think it's that recurring injury he got. Early on in his Liverpool career he was quick enough to play RM for us. Now it seems he has lost that energy and burst of pace, maybe it's to do with the position he's played in, but I feel him and sturridge have definitely lost quite a bit owing to their recurring injuries.
Henderson will get games no doubt. But like you're saying, if Fabinho is the #6 from the start of the season, I don't expect Henderson to dislodge him. Very similar to how when Robertson got going last season Moreno couldnt get the jersey off him.
At the end of the day, it's all about squad depth. Bringing on Lallana as first sub against Madrid in the final spoke volumes. It can't happen again should we find ourselves in the same position. Sturridge is unrealiable as @ShadesOfTomato put it but he's an option who IF fit will definitely score goals when coming off the bench, already at the club and the final fact that no club will pay us what he's worth. So as I said, let's squeeze what we can out of him. I'm talking Ledley King type programme.
When Sturridge is fit everyone thinks great, he can be like a new signing who will score loads. Then when he inevitably gets injured everyone says he needs to be sold. Rinse repeat for the last 4 seasons.
I can't see it happening but if he manages to score 10 goals in all comps this season I will be very surprised. I think its his last year isn't it - can leave for free next summer.
Nice tidbit from Liverpool part-owner Lebron James.
This thread has made me realise how many Liverpool fans we have on here. Only one United poster before my post just on this page alone 
This thread has made me realise how many Liverpool fans we have on here. Only one United poster before my post just on this page alone
They wont be here if the team starts flopping.
This thread has made me realise how many Liverpool fans we have on here. Only one United poster before my post just on this page alone
We'll be coming out the woodwork once Liverpool start their usual dropping of stupid points. I'd be interested to know from Pool fans what their expectations are for this season? Surely Klopp has to win a major trophy now?
The jist is that you support a shite club.
Expectations are irrelevant, Liverpool will always come out on top somehow.
There are actually some that have convinced themselves that Liverpool were the best team going forward last season, which is clearly not true as City were better than everyone in every area of the pitch. But some Liverpool fans can't handle not being the best at something to make it seem as if they are going somewhere.
Depends what you mean by definately. He’s gotten 10 goals in total over the last two seasons. Don’t know about any offers, but he can’t be worth a lot. Either way, I feel like we should have strenghtened the CF position. Ings and Sturridge are both finished imo, and Solanke needs to go on loan.
Why? There are better teams domestically and there are better teams internationally, so I don't see how Klopp has to win a (major) trophy?
Name and shame please since that's simply not true.
Tried using the search function and it doesn't go back far enough to last season, only around the world cup. So that'll be quite difficult.
It's common now for Liverpool to be rated as the best attacking side in the league and some are saying they'll challenge City for the title (although these are from United fans). The pool fans on here are much more realistic and just want to improve.
And there's some United fans who still think they're the biggest club in the world, where as it could be argued they're not even the biggest in their home town anymore. Football is tribal and fans are irrational, unless you're new to football this shouldn't come as a shock to you.
Who said it was a shock?
I have no idea what United's stature in the game has to do with the comment I've made either.
Point is hearing something from a handful of supporters then applying it to the entire fan base is pointless.
I didn't apply it to the entire fan base. There's almost 13/14 levels of optimism. Lots of liverpool fans are excited about what they can do and with that comes a section of the fan base that thinks they'll be challenging for 4 trophies next season.
It's the opposite for United fans on here, with some melts predicting that we're going to be left behind and be mid table despite us having the best league season since 12/13.
Yeah we're excited because we've got the best team we've had for a while, i think our starting 11 can match anyone in the EPL. Unfortunately the squad depth is still quite thin.
I think on here people are just disappointed with your summer transfer window, you've still strengthened and haven't lost any key players. I think all teams and fans are feeling the pressure of the standards set by City, they were by far the best team last year and i think alot of fans think they need to spend to catch up!
Lets hear this argument then?
I’m sure it could be argued, but not by anybody rational or objective. United, for all my partisan disdain, are a proper football club and have been for many decades. They’ve not needed biolouonaire oil money to compete, they had a manager for a long time that did things the right way and won by being better than others. Hard to swallow for us Liverpool fans. But the idea that Saudi-come-lately are a bigger club because of some here today, gone tomorrow oil money, is harder to swallow still.
We weren't particularly optimistic at the beginning of that season iirc. I'm pretty sure we were hoping for top four. It didn't really reach the point where we thought we had a realistic shot at the league until February/March time. Between Christmas and New Years of that season we lost back to back games away at City and Chelsea which dropped us down to 6th I think.
Liverpool fan excitement is very understandable because they have perspective. Some United fans on the other hand still think we have the magic of Fergie to win the league playing teams off the park with sub-par players all over the pitch.
Mourinho is no Fergie, he needs a far higher quality of player to perform.
I was more talking about the response to the title challenge. Liverpool were one or two freak results away from the league which gave a lot of positivity for the next season.
Oh well yeah, I was expecting us to push forward. Looking back, that window really was terrible for us.
Do you genuinely believe that United aren't the biggest club in Manchester? Or there is an argument against it?
If you're going by trophies in the last five years as a barometer of which club is bigger, then I don't need to tell you where Liverpool stands as a big club right now. Next time engage your brain before your post.
So friendly today, aren't we?
It's exactly the kind of argument United fans ridiculed Liverpool fans for when we talk about history and being a big club. Just be careful that you don't start living in the past either. You've been second best in your own city ever since SAF retired and tbh it doesn't look like it's going to change anytime soon. If we take into account the whole history of a club, it could just as easily be argued that Liverpool is as big a club as United.
United have another 2 decades before they get to Liverpool level. We actually win trophies regularly, not once a decade.
I really don't see the need of being friendly to WUMs.
As far as living in past goes, come back when you've won a trophy please.
Yeah but apparently we get to take into account our whole history. 18/5/7/8 is pretty damn close to 20/3/12/5.
No i think United are the biggest club in Manchester. All i said it could be argued that they're not, with the way modern football is nowadays you're either a winner or you've bottled it. So it's not out of the realm of possibilities that City who have been on top for 5 years could be considered bigger on current form.
As for engaging my brain, it's fully engaged and receptive to different opinions without me having to retort to petty insults. As a staff member shouldn't you be setting the standard as to how to conduct yourself on these forums?
His response was perfectly fair. What @Can23 said was utterly ludicrous and nothing more than bait. You can't judge the size of a club by a few years worth of performances, anybody with any kind of rationality to them knows that United are a far bigger club than City. There's no argument to be had there, City are an excellent team but nowhere even near the biggest clubs in England and they won't be unless they keep up their current level for a very long time. They can barely even fill their stadium and have nowhere even close to the pull of traditionally massive clubs like United, or yes Liverpool. It'll be a while before they gain that.
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