You think so given Heysel, after which the English teams banned from Europe for several years, and the recent racism saga and how poorly Liverpool handled it? United have not done anything like that to invite hatred.
Liverpool 2014/15 | WARNING: Contains strong amounts of Scouse nonsense
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You think so given Heysel, after which the English teams banned from Europe for several years, and the recent racism saga and how poorly Liverpool handled it? United have not done anything like that to invite hatred.
It's not necessarily rational hatred. You are hated more due to how successful/dominant you have been in recent times and as a result people develop negative feelings towards you. Also there was the whole thing going around about how you had the refs in your pocket/conspiracy theories which stoked up hatred.
People enjoyed your fall immensely, that's for sure. Reveled in it in fact. Although the same would probably be true of any team that had enjoyed so much dominance for so long, but like I said that's what has contributed to the dislike people have for United. There's also an aura of arrogance around the club and some of the fans.
Racism saga had impact for sure, but I'm not sure it propelled them to most hated. I certainly don't think they are a 'loved' club or whatever, I just don't think they're THE most hated or that everybody dislikes them. Most people I know wanted them to win the league. Heysel was a while ago and not sure it has much say in whether or not they are hated anymore for the majority.
I don't personally hate either clubs and am quite fond of United but overall most opposition fans don't much like you. Remember Sunderland fans were delighted after you lost the title and celebrated it? They're a bunch of cnuts and might have done it to anyone, but still.
United have been winning. That inspires hatred more than anything else.
Friends of mine who support PL teams seem to mostly find Liverpool irritating and amusing. I definitely never saw any of this 'neutrals all want us to win' bollocks, but I've also seen little evidence that they're especially hated.
Damned with feint praise - I guess that's Sturridge's lot really. Score a bundle but still qualified in some way.
I guess the season will prove whether he can do his shoe laces and play football without Mr S around.
Are we still doing this? I thought the Caf discarded this lazy comparison when Sturridge started scoring all the time. The guy matches the scoring rate of most top European strikers over 18 months but he's just exactly like a United player who would be just as good but managers decide not to pick him.
It will only be because of the world class Coutinho / Sterling supplying him next season. Etc. Yawn.
Anyway, are Liverpool and United of going all the way in this American nonsense?
Yes it will. No matter how much you want to discredit it, but having a Suarez around helped him massively.
Ignore it, I don't see how people can continue to refuse to give Sturridge credit and attribute his success to a "streak", one which has seemingly been going on for two seasons now.
He's clearly a very, very good striker. Finishing as the league's 2nd top scorer when you've got a truly world-class player like Suarez scoring a ridiculous amount of goals, is a big achievement. As the main man I think he'll do even better.
Obviously having a player like Suarez around is beneficial. He would've learned off him and been able to flourish from Suarez's creativity and movement.
However, it also would've had a negative effect on Sturridge. With Suarez around he was never the main man upfront and Suarez was a huge figure, scoring 31 league goals. He'll suffer in some ways Sturridge but he'll benefit in that he'll be the main striker up top with most of the play going through him. He's also proven in the past he doesn't need Suarez and still scores at a very impressive rate without him.
Indeed. There are a finite amount of goals a team can score a season and in most teams if you get a player scoring huge amounts the rest of the team are likely to get significantly fewer. But to get two players above 20 is unusual and is testament to the quality both strikers possessed last season.
Forget Sturridge, I genuinely believe that Sterling will be Liverpool's most important player this season. Think he's already a better #10 than Coutinho (who didn't develop as much as I thought he would heading into last season) and will significantly increase his goals total. Will likely get shifted out wide when Lallana returns, but he's still dangerous wherever he lines up. Only 19 and could be a monster player in several years when the Spanish clubs come calling. I fear he'll make those Janujaz comparisons look silly.
Also, Emre Can is looking like a shrewd purchase for Liverpool. He's young, technical, got bags of power and pace, and built like a fecking brick shithouse. Appears to have the right attitude and should fit straight away into the Premier League.
Also, Emre Can is looking like a shrewd purchase for Liverpool. He's young, technical, got bags of power and pace, and built like a fecking brick shithouse. Appears to have the right attitude and should fit straight away into the Premier League.
I agree with all of this completely. Sterling will be their best player very, very soon. If he isn't already. Is quality.
Yeah, Can was a low risk buy at £10m but looks made for the PL. Will be interesting how Rodgers uses him.
Gerrard: Suarez too good for Arsenal.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/31/luis-suarez-too-good-arsenal
*sits back to enjoy Gunners getting angry*
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/31/luis-suarez-too-good-arsenal
*sits back to enjoy Gunners getting angry*
The whole attacking unit of Liverpool will face a different test this season. Suarez won't be there to occupy 3 defenders all by himself. They still have a couple of really good attacking options. Sturrdige might still get some decent returns as he is a good player who is incredibly selfish and has good shooting skills. But he will not be as effective as when Suarez was there. He can be marked easily.
except for the games it didn't.
9 games. I agree he was in blistering form that time. But now not having Suarez for a whole season will be a real test. As I mentioned, he may still get the goals but his effectiveness in stretching play will not be the same as he will have to contend with more defenders with Suarez not occupying 2-3 players at the same time.
Sturridge - Has scored more goals, at a better goals to games ratio, than Van Persie ever since he joined. This playing second fiddle to our main goalscorer. 18 month lucky streak and probably Defoe in disguise.
Welbeck - Has a worse goals to games ration in his career than Emile Heskey. But is apparently same as Sturridge just without games. Possibly Henry in disguise.
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This didn't happen. A complete exaggeration. Watch Liverpool last season and you won't see Sturridge given acres of room.
Your analysis is simplistic and unrealistic.
The thing that gets overlooked here is how much room the rest of the team created for Suarez. Yes he was an ideal fit, but the movement of the team as a whole did this for both our strikers, not just Suarez.
If that logic is to be accepted, then he was far, far too good for Liverpool. Arsenal are a far bigger club that you in the modern era.
Hyperbole much?
Sterling's going straight in my fantasy team. Looks better everytime i see him. Huge talent.
I know you did, that's why I wrote it.
You only have to look at Suarez's record prior to the likes of Sturridge & Coutinho arriving at the club. There's not a chance in hell you'd had have him down as a potential £75 million player.
He was excellent last night (and against Olympiakos). Looks to have a lot in the locker (as you listed above). He absolutely owned YaYa last night (yes, I know, it's pre-season and none are anywhere close to full fitness yet. And YaYa was probably still worried about not being loved and the missing cake). More of a box to box midfielder but I can see him replacing Gerrard as DM too.
Ha ha - well you did ask for it ! LoL.
What I do like about the players we have so far up front is that the scenario you have imagined is unlikely to happen. Players such as Sterling, Markovic, Lallana and Coutinho can all waltz through defences and will attract defenders to them opening up space for Sturridge et al to run into. Part of the reason Suarez scored so many last season was the number of times he was left 1:1 because Sturridge, Coutinho or Sterling had drawn defenders away from him.
I reckon Jovetic could be the next big thing in the PL. He's going to score a lot of goals.
I am trying not to get too giddy with him, but I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he is a contender for player of the year at the end of the season. He just gets better and better.
Aye, he's had a very good pre-season & seems to be over his injuries. So another quality option for City unfortunately.
Coutinho was quite average last season. Sterling is a brilliant prospect and I think he will be your best player this season. Lallana again is not the type to waltz past defenders. I have not seen him actually do that. A good team player but not someone who will create space for others. Markovic I have no clue about so cannot comment.
The description of that vid 'goal like Iniesta & Messi' ffs 
He almost stumbles at one point!
He almost stumbles at one point!No, he wasn't. Inconsistent yes, but his overall game, especially in midfield, was still very good.
The description of that vid 'goal like Iniesta & Messi' ffs
To be fair that was a good goal, probably average defending too but I think Lallana is going to be a real asset for us.
Because the title of the video is the focus. Hmmm.The description of that vid 'goal like Iniesta & Messi' ffs