Is he better or worse than the other Ajax defender who turned us down?
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He didn't turn us down that Dutch troll got in his ear about playing time
Then he turned us down
Better to answer your question, Ajax player of the season, however its said Timber has a higher ceiling
Wonder if he could also play between back four and De Jong or wouldn't that work
Who Martinez?
He has played in midfield, but Ten Hag was gone on the record to say he sees him very much as a defender. I don't think we're signing him to be our elusive DM.
Just terrifies me to think of Fred/McTominay partnering him instead of an actual DM
Even Martial is a better footballer, if he does that Murtough would veto such move
Why sign another CB when we already have 6 of them in the first team? It’s like we are collecting them.
in CDM/CM we have 3 players competing for 2 slots. Major issues here.
in CDM/CM we have 3 players competing for 2 slots. Major issues here.
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We are looking to move a couple on, also none of the CB's in the squad has the skills of this guy
What difference does it make how many we have if we don't have enough quality ones?
Makes me think we won't be pushing for Antony as well this summer given said excellent relationship
Not sure about this signing given our seemingly limited funds. Would rather sign a cf, dm , rb or rw. Added to that, I do worry his height will be an issue
Won't get a RW & CF will be one or the other, see Erik going with existing options at DM to partner De Jong IF it happens. We might sign a RB if we can find someone actually willing to take AWB.
We would imo. It's not really important if we get Antony now or later in the window, he is recovering from an injury until August I think.
Also, if the club completes the signings of Malacia, Eriksen, De Jong and Martinez soon ( which is looking very likely on all fronts), they would have spent just about the amount rumoured to be available for transfers before sale ( think a little over £100m). From then on I think they would look at moving on some players after Ten Hag has had a chance to see them all and check those who would be useful for his team going forward.
By then I also think we would have resolved the Ronaldo issue and focus our attention on getting forwards needed by Ten Hag for the team ( believe Antony would be one of those if not the only one).
Out of the four, still unsure about this one. Really like his ability on the ball, but as a cb he is obviously second choice this window.
My only worry is the height, nothing else
How do you not remember his name, it's one letter off yours!
I'm more than happy to see us back off from trying to sign Antony and try to play it off as a gesture of goodwill to Ajax.
Agreed.
Also bear in mind that United's first team scouting in Holland is led by Amsterdam born Roy Beuekenkamp, who reports to the head of European scouting, Henny de Regt. And de Regt himself was at Ajax for 18 years and is credited with discovering the likes of Wesley Sneijder, Christian Eriksen and de Ligt. And both men have been part of the United scouting setup since 2016. So it's about time we utilised their work, and both men will have the low down on the players in the Dutch league.
It's weird how both clubs want him but both wouldn't be too bothered if they missed out 
How do you come to that conclusion? Ornstein clearly reported that he is your top defensive priority.It's weird how both clubs want him but both wouldn't be too bothered if they missed out
I mean both sets of fans, hopefully we have other defensive targets if he choose United.
Oh, ok then. Looks like both sets of fans have some big reservations about his height. You hear nothing but positive words from Ajax fans though, which is encouraging.
On the other hand again, the notion that there's a foundational group of 3-5 Dutch/Ajax players who's going to be sort of the backbone of the transition risks the creation of unfortunate cliques in the squad, no? Ditto the perception that the new guys are brought in because of ties to the manager rather than because they're the best players. And then you're not too far from the nagging thought that you're not getting a fair shake and/or the team isn't being selected on merit.
Whichever way I twist it, this level of focus on Dutch/Ajax players in recruitment just doesn't sit well. It inevitably says something very bad about something.
We've been collecting average ones yes. Thats why we signed 1 last summer and need another 1 this summer. We looked more vulnerable than ever at CB last season with a huge amount of goals conceded and despite not having the most attacking fullbacks you would see in today's game.
We have Lindelof as a backup, Maguire and Varane could both be good enough if on form and Lisandro is an upgrade on all of them on the ball and in terms of defending
We do need and have needed a midfielder for years too.
I think the clique risk is quite small, because for one not all players potentially coming in are one nationality and next to not all of them are already proven world class players. Eriksen and Frenkie are, but the guys coming from the Dutch league are not yet. They are all very talented players, but they need to prove themselves and fight for their spot and to make their name. The clique risk is much bigger when it's much more experencied players that have less to prove. If Ten Hag would be bringing Memphis, Wijnaldum, Bergwijn and Dumfries that may be a bigger risk, but with this set of players that are now being rumoured to make the move I don't think you should worry about that. These players are eager to just prove themselves.
Ten Hag will also make choices that will be best for the team. With Ajax he signed some players from his former team (FC Utrecht) as well. They were not good enough and then they simply didn't play a lot eventhough he liked them as players/professionals. Ten Hag will do the team/club right in that respect.
I have said before. He is not the tallest CB. But you don't bully with a guy call "A buther"
Both Nunez and Haaland got buthered by Martinez.
Don't bully with this guys. And both Haaland and Nunez knows it. Both of the can smell it.
You never know.
United CB duo can be this:
McTom "The Terminator"= beast both physical and mentaliy - Martinez "The butcher"
McTom has play CB for Scottland. McTom is really quick in the first metres and hard to beat one against one.
You never know. Under Ten Hag drilling and practising ball and passing skill. Over and over again. Repetition to max theirs ball and pass skill. I see the potential there. Never say never.
Bissaka - McTom "The Terminator"= beast both physical and mentaliy - Martinez "The butcher" - Malacia
It will hard and difficult to pass and break the Terminator and the Butcher. And no joking.
Timber or another world class CB to partner Martinez. Until that. I easily will pick McTom over Varane, Lindelof and Maguire.
McTom is just natural physical beast. Same as his mentality. Ball and passing will get drill and train by Ten Hag. Over and over again. Everyone.
Both Nunez and Haaland got buthered by Martinez.
Don't bully with this guys. And both Haaland and Nunez knows it. Both of the can smell it.
You never know.
United CB duo can be this:
McTom "The Terminator"= beast both physical and mentaliy - Martinez "The butcher"
McTom has play CB for Scottland. McTom is really quick in the first metres and hard to beat one against one.
You never know. Under Ten Hag drilling and practising ball and passing skill. Over and over again. Repetition to max theirs ball and pass skill. I see the potential there. Never say never.
Bissaka - McTom "The Terminator"= beast both physical and mentaliy - Martinez "The butcher" - Malacia
It will hard and difficult to pass and break the Terminator and the Butcher. And no joking.
Timber or another world class CB to partner Martinez. Until that. I easily will pick McTom over Varane, Lindelof and Maguire.
McTom is just natural physical beast. Same as his mentality. Ball and passing will get drill and train by Ten Hag. Over and over again. Everyone.
Errrr.....not many situations there where he gets into a physical tussle with either of them - and on the few occasions he does, he looks a bit lucky not to create a penalty or a foul? More impressed by the positioning, steady calmness, timing of interventions and passing.
Actually, as always when looking at comps of Ajax or Netherlands, what really jumps out at me is the persistent quality of the passing options. There always seems to be someone available for a quick, simple, safe progressive pass.
Are you Scott's brother?
He's never been a CB in a 2 man setup. He's being shoehorned into a 3 CB setup for Scotland where he does an average job. Many players do go around him and he fouls a ton. And the not letting players go past him, the ball does and he picks up yellows too. McTominay can barely diagnose his environment within the central midfield area...he's not fit for purpose as a CB in a two man setup, which has greater importance for reading the game and diagnosing spatial scenarios with a player in front of you and a run being made behind you or late.
I bet there's not many scouts that associate a nickname to players as part of their report 
Having too many players not playing in the same position is a sure recipe for discontent. Not that we need any more of that?
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I think he/she's got to be an elaborate WUM at this point? Consistently ridiculous takes
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