Lisandro Martinez | Signs for United

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Is this Terry flowers guy reliable? He is saying Martinez to Utd is on and that the FDJ and Malacia announcements are imminent.
 
Merson will 100% say he's too small, if we sign him

Won't mention his height if he goes to Arsenal.
 
He's actually good aerially relative to his height. But what's most important about the player is that he's good on the ball, is versatile and has a warrior like attitude.
 
He'll probably be a starter for ARG in Quatar. He can even play LB, though I doubt he will if he joins us. I think he would be a great assessment if we buy him
 
Bit more difficult to get excited about this transfer, I don't think he suits PL football and will just be another Lindelof. Timber is a better player.
 
Ajax wants a bidding war. I am not sure if it is wise for Arsenal to spend 40M on a player who may not be a starter. Not really concern if Edu can't land him. There are so many players out there who can do a job as LB.
 
Blood Mage said:
Bit more difficult to get excited about this transfer, I don't think he suits PL football and will just be another Lindelof. Timber is a better player.
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If Lindelof had Martinez's aggression he would have been a much much better defender.
 
Betson said:
If we plan to play him a CB and not a DM his height would concern me , but I heard an Argentinian journalist say despite his height he is excellent in the air and never looks out of place no matter who he is up against. But a 5'7 CB in the premier league is very unusual.
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He's 5`9. I suppose its the same compromise that Barcelona and, on occasion, Liverpool made when playing Macherano there. Obviously you get quality in possession that youre unlikely to find in a big centre half. You also get better acceleration in smaller players, although less flat speed, so he'll be a lot quicker on the turn than the likes of Maguire which could be important if we intend to play a high line. Obviously the key is whether you can achieve the objective of dominating possession with a high line. Obviously if you cant, and you end up pinned deep in your own half for long periods, then it could become an issue.
 
Betson said:
If we plan to play him a CB and not a DM his height would concern me , but I heard an Argentinian journalist say despite his height he is excellent in the air and never looks out of place no matter who he is up against. But a 5'7 CB in the premier league is very unusual.
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we've had a lot of 6 feet plus defenders in our current squad and how many aerial duels have they won?
 
If we wouldn't sign Malacia, it would be nice to sign him, because he can play CB/LB/DM. But now LB is overloaded, and I wouldn't want to trust him at CB all the time, he's too short.
 
Nice to see we've got the finger out and moving on some deals the last 24 hours. Credit where it is due.
 
Hijacking deals seems a good way to avoid the Untied tax. If they’re ready to accept Arsenal’s bid and we come in with higher then it’s a done dealio.
 
VP89 said:
I also googled the conversion.

Either youre incorrect or I cant google :(
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Google is wrong when it comes to height. It gives a decimal of 10, despite they're being 12 inches in a foot. That's why it's coming up wrong. Just google "cm to feet" and go into the 1st website that shows up. That will give you the accurate height in feet.
 
I won't say I have no concerns about Martinez' height, but I will say that imo he's a better actual defender than Timber right now. Timber goes on big marauding runs that look flashy but can leave him out of position on the counter. Martinez tends to be a bit smarter about how far forward he can go without leaving a gap where he can't recover in an instance where his team loses possession. Both are excellent passers. Despite being slightly smaller (though realistically there's nothing in their height difference really, don't even think it's a full inch) I also think Martinez is much better in the air than Timber. If we had to choose one of the 2, I personally would have gone for Martinez. I don't buy that we'd be signing him as a dm though. I think he's definitely being signed to play cb. Why would a manager who's played Martinez as a cb in every single game for the last 2 years decide to spend £40m to buy him, only to then play him in dm where Alvarez was much more effective? Surely if he really wanted a dm who can also play cb he'd just go for Alvarez? Pretty obvious that Martinez is Timber's alternative imo.
 
StiffTackle said:
For me the signing makes sense. We wanted Timber as versatile cover for CB/RB/DM but missed out due to LVG. Buying Martinez allows us to cover CB/DM whilst still allowing us to move for Timber in January or next summer.

I completely understand everyones concerns about his height and agree it might become a weakness for us if Malacia is also playing. However, I believe ten Hag is willing to play the percentages on this. If he can turn us into a team that presses high and squeezes our opponent into their own half and then when we have the ball dominate 70% of the possession (both of which are helped by a player like Martinez) then there will be far fewer opportunities for him to be beaten in the air to concede a goal. If the team is so good with the ball that we score 3 or 4 a game it wont matter if we concede the odd corner. Also, there are so few teams that are actually good headers of the ball these days I think its becoming less of a factor.

With that being said, the Martinez signing isnt even really about his footballing abilities. Its about character. We HAVE to change the culture of the dressing room and we HAVE to make sure the players buy into the managers plans. Therefore we are ignoring our scouting department this summer in favour of brining in characters that the manager knows will follow him. If he can put 6 of them on the pitch each week and get buy in from a handful of the existing squad then he has a base to work from in 23/24.

Martinez is a no brainer for me now that we've missed out on Timber.
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So how do you see us lining up with Martinez and Malacia on board and AWB gone? Do you see Martinez starting over Varane or Maguire? I just think a CB/RB hybrid is a bigger need hence why I'd prefer Timber. He can compete with Dalot and cover CB. whereas with Martinez, we'll still need to sign a right back. Not sure our budget can stretch that far giving that we are still looking to sign a forward like Antony.
 
Give us this guy for midfield and then Nathan Collins for a top class potential central defender. I'm amazed no one seems to be looking at Collins, the lad is going to be class.
 
kidbob said:
Give us this guy for midfield and then Nathan Collins for a top class potential central defender. I'm amazed no one seems to be looking at Collins, the lad is going to be class.
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He is literally the polar opposite to Martinez at 6'4 :lol:
 
Worth noting that Javier Mascherano was the same height and a centre back for Barca and he did pretty alright. Used to be funny hearing football experts talk about how his height was a disadvantage and he could be got at and it never happened (Similar to Blind when he was here)

Different league I know.
 
kidbob said:
Give us this guy for midfield and then Nathan Collins for a top class potential central defender. I'm amazed no one seems to be looking at Collins, the lad is going to be class.
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An Irish player at Utd again! It's been a while. Can't say I'd feel very comfortable with any Irish player at Utd. Collins is definitely one of our best prospects but our players overall are muck :lol:
 
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