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Lisandro Martinez | Signs for United
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Probably because one is a squad player at the best club side in Europe, and the other is an integral part of a side challenging for titles in a competitive league.
For the fee paid he has to start beside Slabhead surely.
If there's injuries or whatever then I expect he might get a game or two at DM.
It's irrelevant as Martinez is a CB and ZInchenko is LB. Zinchenko was a back up player available for Arsenal and unrealistic target for us. Zinchenko never started more than 50% of league games for City, whereas Martinez is Ajax's best player.
We signed back up LB for 12 million and looks like Arsenal have paid close to 3 times that money. Poor deal.
You do realize Arsenal likely wanted Martinez for a LB spot? He can play there also.
Mate, we've bought plenty of players who won the POTY at their clubs the year of signing them and most turned out to be flops, it's a pretty irrelevant point. Mikhataryan, Pogba, Sanchez etc etc. If anything that evidence suggests we should of steered clear.
Is our back up LB (Malacia) a 4 time league winner? Nah!
I'll give you that Zinchenko is their back up, not surprising looking at City's squad though.
Why do I care for which position Arsenal wanted Martinez for. Also when you drop down the list to sign players at bottom of the list, they would cost less. There is a reason Arsenal wanted to sign Martinez and then tried to sign Zinchenko.
Did Zinchenko start more than 16 league games for City in a single season?
It's hilarious to see how the tone changed when Arsenal made bid for Martinez to now. If this was Woodward, you would be beating the drum saying how he has beaten Arsenal to sign the player.
From " So much for Arsenal not being an enticing prospect over us. " when Arsenal made a bid that would have been rejected anyways to biging up City back up player who never started more than 15 league games in a season . All because of one person and that's Woodward
Not a big deal but Martinez is actually a year younger. Martinez is 25 in January and Zinchenko is 26 in December.
Because we have a finite budget every season and every ten million you overpay is ten million you can't spend on another area that needs strengthening when we could justifably make an argument that every single position needs an upgrade. You hardly think people are worried the Glazers aren't getting bang for their bucks do you?
You ignored the bit where i said he's perfectly adequate as a third/fourth choice central defender. Having the sense not to be a moaner is just an additional perk.
We have accountants and financial experts at the club who worry about that stuff. If we're happy to spend £50m on a player it's because we can afford it without having to sacrifice other key targets. It's not like they look at the bank balance and then go "shit, now we're short by £10m and can't afford de Jong"
There never used to be an obsession amongst football fans about transfer fees. But since social media took off its become a sad and boring way to point score against rivals
Simply pointing out that it is indeed relevant.
Wouldn't say *bottom*, I'd say 2nd on list.
Already answered, City are a different beast to Ajax and spoiled for options. No shame in him competing with the likes of Cancelo and Walker for starts.
But yes twice he has with 19 & 20 apps respectively.
It's hilarious to see how the tone changed when Arsenal made bid for Martinez to now. If this was Woodward, you would be beating the drum saying how he has beaten Arsenal to sign the player.
From " So much for Arsenal not being an enticing prospect over us. " when Arsenal made a bid that would have been rejected anyways to biging up City back up player who never started more than 15 league games in a season . All because of one person and that's Woodward
Ah yes when all else fails, quickly change tactic to immature insults that have sweet FA to do with the topic.
And you started this conversation by saying I bring up irrelevant sentiments?
Just randomly throw in some crap about Woodward in a lame attempt to try be cool and funny.Will it get you some private back slaps from some scouts and mods? Bravo! Well done you.
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We don’t know what our budget is. There have been some press briefings before the window started but thats about it and the history of the owners is all over the place(The glazers are even shite at spending money).
We have no idea(Tbh will we never know), if Martinez transfer fee has a effect on us bringing in a new player, there could be a million reasons why we might could not bring in a new RB for example. Also most of the complaining has nothing to do with any sort of budget.
Simply pointing out that it is indeed relevant.
Wouldn't say *bottom*, I'd say 2nd on list.
Already answered, City are a different beast to Ajax and spoiled for options. No shame in him competing with the likes of Cancelo and Walker for starts.
Ah yes when all else fails, quickly change tactic to immature insults that have sweet FA to do with the topic.
And you started this conversation by saying I bring up irrelevant sentiments?
Will it get you some private back slaps from some scouts and mods? Bravo! Well done you.
All that and nothing on how tone changed from " So much for Arsenal not being an enticing prospect over us." to "Look how awesome Arsenal are, signing back up LB"
Maybe Arsenal wasn't such an enticing project.
I hope Woodward is paying you, anyways knowing how incompetent he is, he will pay good money.
@Keefy18 in the mud here
I wish you lot would stop underestimating him because of his height!
Rarely seen a poster as negative as Keefy. Maybe football and Utd isn’t for them.
The guy defended Woodward after such incompetence for years and from day 1, he was very negative on Arnold and Murtough, looking for reasons to moan.
I remember there was a guy who used to defend Glazers all the time and later was identified as Glazer guy posting on caf. We have Woodward guy now, these guys really care about what fans think on forums.
People are not worried about where the money are coming from, but instead worry if they are spent irrationally. Then there are posters like you who don’t even get the point.
Fred for 50m pounds, Maguire for 80m pounds, DVB for 40m , overpaid on wages on countless of players. We are in the gutterfor the very same reason. Now we go and spend this amount of money on a very unproven CB, and posters like yourself are “who cares it’s not your money”. Well it’s not the point, people are worried and rightfully of the direction this club is going and shows no sign of changing.
Potentially would cost as much as Bruno who even if I don't rate that highly is a goal-scoring attacker.
Our club is run by idiots.
Our club is run by idiots.
Read loads of stupid posts today and this is up there. Fair play.
Read loads of stupid posts all the time and this is up there even for you. Fair play.
I think it's a good deal all round potentially. United will hopefully benefit by the players ability on the ball. Ajax will benefit by receiving a good fee which in-turn will also benefit RB Leipzig and Rangers who have made profit on both Brobbey and Bassey.
That choice is not entirely up to the player. If Arsenal offered more than United, Ajax would of course prefer to sell to them. The player could refuse and stay, but it’s not like Martinez could just pick any club disregarding the offers from other clubs, because he is under a contract with Ajax.
Players always tweet how they finally got to the club of their dreams etc, don’t think I ever read a player who tweeted “unfortunately I ended up with a five year contract at Spurs when I hoped for Arsenal”.
Look at Haaland who always said his idol was Zlatan and Ronaldo, now after the signing it is Aguero.
On a brighter note, I agree with the last sentence of your original post.
Is he not very tall? First I’ve heard of it, no one’s mentioned it have they?I wish you lot would stop underestimating him because of his height!
Zinchenko and Jesus are players that aren't good enough imo. Jesus was really hyped in Brazil and I even said at the time he wasn't good enough to be a mainstay in a team with our aspirations. So it's no surprise to see City sell him.When did Zichenko become a serious player
And why are people debating him?
Jesus was backup CF in a team that didn’t even play a CF, just cannot take him seriously.
No one really cares about the direction of the club because tbh that would be a odd thing for a grown adult to do. People just like to complain on the internet.
The posters who have spent almost a decade turning the football section of this forum into a bore are still continuing to be negative because they get a weird sense of community and enjoyment out of hating their football club.
Plus if you think the Martinez signing is in anyway similar to the Maguire signing then I can’t really help you here(Also the issue with Maguire isn’t that he costed £80 million but that he moves like a oil tanker and can’t play in a high line defence).
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I'm no fan of him, and thought him being shunted out wide said it all, but you have to realise not getting into City's team that regularly doesn't mean he wouldn't cruise into most other teams.
He will be very solid 7/10 and reliable player for us.
Its a bit steep but we only give a feck if the player flops. I remember people thought the price City paid for Walker, Cancelo and Rodri were very high at the time. No one has brought up their fees since the end of Rodri and Cancelo's first season.
Hopefully its the same with Shortinez.
Hopefully its the same with Shortinez.
Who's getting dropped then?
Man UTD have to spend bit more because of their situation and ajax utilised it to their advantage.
But how much he is a valuable addition to your team especially you had issues in defense last season.
Tenhag knew the player and risking to pay top money indicates he already decided the role for him in your starting line up.
If you get starter, money you spend will look like bargain if you get great performances from him.
But how much he is a valuable addition to your team especially you had issues in defense last season.
Tenhag knew the player and risking to pay top money indicates he already decided the role for him in your starting line up.
If you get starter, money you spend will look like bargain if you get great performances from him.
People forgetting highly rated defenders who are not fully proven go for big fees.
Dias - 61 mil
Laporte - 58
White - 50
Militao - 45
Upemacano - 40
Dias - 61 mil
Laporte - 58
White - 50
Militao - 45
Upemacano - 40
Is there any official confirmation of the fee? A day ago it was being reported everywhere as a base fee of around £45m. So where's the suggestion of the much higher fee and is there any reason why we should believe the higher fee when everyone was going with the £45m including Romano, Stone etc?
Yeah shocked at the figure right now but could end up looking a bargain in time
What’s wrong with caring about the direction of the club? The weird thing is that some people (like the poster you responded to) seem insistent on denying that there are at least modest signs that the direction has changed since Woodward’s departure.
Possibly. Maybe they’re just ultra-sceptical and believe that while the Glazers are in control there won’t be any change. I don’t agree with them, but that doesn’t make me feel superior to them.
Well exactly. We are now signing players that help the manager play the way he wants. Ole said he wanted to play front-footed high-pressing football, so the club signed Maguire. Not a joined up process.
As much as I'm wary about the Martinez signing, he's a much better investment than Torres. Just Spanish Lindelof.
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