Lisandro Martinez | Signs for United

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Honestly if we could get decent money for one of Lindelof, Maguire or Varane, then why not one of them? Whichever is going to be 4th choice. Keep Bailly and/or Axel as 5th and 6th choice. Sell VDB also and we'll have a nice bit of money towards Antony.
If we look at last season, Varane, Maguire and Martinez were out injured for significant amount of time. Bailly has the benefit that he can be good in a match even though he hasn’t played any matches lately, however he has often been unavailable due to injuries when he was needed.
 
This makes me excited about this signing. He looks pretty damn good here and it looks like he's playing CM in some of the clips. Carrick-esque passes between the lines, pressuring opponents, calm on the ball.
most of that clip was him from playing CDM. I'd quite like to see him play there as we currently don't have a player in midfield capable of playing like that.

Put Fernandes and De Jong ahead with Sancho/Rashford/Martial up top and we're flying.
 
most of that clip was him from playing CDM. I'd quite like to see him play there as we currently don't have a player in midfield capable of playing like that.

Put Fernandes and De Jong ahead with Sancho/Rashford/Martial up top and we're flying.

Don't forget star boy Eriksen :drool:
 
I dont think ive ever seen him play a weak game.

yeah this is basically it. Only maybe in his first season when played in the midfield did he ever look off the pace. Other than he's the most consistent performer we have, and it's always at least a 7
 
I really don’t doubt his mentality or work ethic. But as for every other transfer like this there is the questions around pace and physicality of the league; can the player do the same things he can today with the ball at PL pace, throughout the match and against teams who are very good at pressing? Imo Sancho couldn’t do that.

At the same time, one key in ETH type of football seems to be to be able to handle press without losing the initiative, and even use the opponents press to build up for attack. To do that we need to bring in players who have those skills.

About the terrible coaching. There are many players in the squad who will benefit from a coach who also is a proper trainer. I expect several players to develop and take the next step.
All fair enough, however Sancho had some additional circumstances not working in his favour. The EURO's, illness during pre season, the worst United in a few years, and a coach that clearly didnt have a plan for him.

Why are his poor performances accredited mainly to the league but not those of Martial, Rashford and in lesser extent Greenwood after his good start?

It will be interesting to see how Martinez will deal with the physicality of this league, but in terms of the pace and press, he should be much better suited to it than all our CB's I reckon. The CB position is also less affected by it than further up in midfield or attack I think.
 
You’re a bit special :lol:

Oh no, someone got something wrong.

Pray tell how we can always be right like you oh wise one?

Pretty sure I could go through your ridiculous amount of comments here and find a mountain of comments where you've been categorically wrong, But I've better things to do with my time.
 
Imagine us paying £46M for Martinez and he gets exposed then we sell E Bailey for £12.5M to one of the big Italian sides and he becomes a superstar and £76M value at the end of the season. I’m saying now Bailey is more an ETH type player than any other of defenders except R Varane, he likes aggressive front footed defenders. We have 60 games to play we should be looking for an attacking RB, A young sweeper Keeper to deputise or Sergio Romero who knows the club, a deep lying playmaker , Aggressive CFW and left footed Right wing to go with Martinez, Malacia and Eriksen

Murtourgh and Arnold have 3/4 weeks to get this right. We need to sell Telles, A Pereira, AWB, Axel Tuanzebe, Ronaldo( He wants to Go) P Jones , T Chong. We might get £60M if we hang out for £20M for Ronaldo

Then go buy the following, ;
GK - S Romero - Free
RB - Dumfries 3
CM - Y Tielemans 30M
RW - Antony 60M
CF - Belotti Free

Thats 120M spend added to the 60M for Malacia, zMartinez and Ericsen or £120M Net and we’ve strengthened the squad. we will need to spend £50M in January for Patrik Shick and £70M next year for FDJ
 
Imagine us paying £46M for Martinez and he gets exposed then we sell E Bailey for £12.5M to one of the big Italian sides and he becomes a superstar and £76M value at the end of the season. I’m saying now Bailey is more an ETH type player than any other of defenders except R Varane, he likes aggressive front footed defenders. We have 60 games to play we should be looking for an attacking RB, A young sweeper Keeper to deputise, a deep lying playmaker , Aggressive CFW and left footed Right wing to go with Martinez, Malacia and Eriksen

Murtourgh and Arnold have 3/4 weeks to get this rate. We need to sell Telles, A Pereira, AWB, Axel Tuanzebe, Ronaldo( He wants to Go) P Jones , T Chong. We might get £60M if we hang out for £20M for Ronaldo

Then go buy the following, ;
GK - S Romero - Free
RB - Dumfries 3
CM - Y Tielemans 30M
RW - Antony 60M
CF - Belotti Free

Thats 120M spend added to the 60M for Malacia, zMartinez and Ericsen or £120M Net and we’ve strengthened the squad. we will need to spend £50M in January for Patrik Shick and £70M next year for FDJ

Imagine none of that happens?
 
Imagine us paying £46M for Martinez and he gets exposed then we sell E Bailey for £12.5M to one of the big Italian sides and he becomes a superstar and £76M value at the end of the season.
If any team can keep Bailey fit then we should poach their medical team
 
Done dealio. Its such a shame that didnt get done before preseason like City and Liverpool have done their business, Spurs too, amIrite?
 
Pub guy and Murtaugh seem to be flying all over the world to get signings done these days. We have technology sirs. Its called fax.
True but if you need to get a wriggle on - get in their grills. Got an estate agent not responding to emails or calls....doorstep them when the shop opens. gets you action within 5 minutes. It works!
 
Imagine us paying £46M for Martinez and he gets exposed then we sell E Bailey for £12.5M to one of the big Italian sides and he becomes a superstar and £76M value at the end of the season. I’m saying now Bailey is more an ETH type player than any other of defenders except R Varane, he likes aggressive front footed defenders. We have 60 games to play we should be looking for an attacking RB, A young sweeper Keeper to deputise or Sergio Romero who knows the club, a deep lying playmaker , Aggressive CFW and left footed Right wing to go with Martinez, Malacia and Eriksen

Murtourgh and Arnold have 3/4 weeks to get this right. We need to sell Telles, A Pereira, AWB, Axel Tuanzebe, Ronaldo( He wants to Go) P Jones , T Chong. We might get £60M if we hang out for £20M for Ronaldo

Then go buy the following, ;
GK - S Romero - Free
RB - Dumfries 3
CM - Y Tielemans 30M
RW - Antony 60M
CF - Belotti Free

Thats 120M spend added to the 60M for Malacia, zMartinez and Ericsen or £120M Net and we’ve strengthened the squad. we will need to spend £50M in January for Patrik Shick and £70M next year for FDJ
Firstly, imagine your aunt was your uncle.

Secondly, watch Varane again if you think he is an "aggressive front footed defender"

Third, Bailly isn't becoming a superstar anyway. He's far too random on the rare occasions he's actually fit.

Fourth, why do people go full Football Manager and think everything is as simple as that?
 
Feck me that's crazy money. I really hope it's over 5 years and backloaded. Now get him ready for the preseason game after Melbourne.
 
Honestly if we could get decent money for one of Lindelof, Maguire or Varane, then why not one of them? Whichever is going to be 4th choice. Keep Bailly and/or Axel as 5th and 6th choice. Sell VDB also and we'll have a nice bit of money towards Antony.

I'd rather we keep Lindelof for 30M. Nobody wants Maguire. I'd keep Varane at all cost.

Bailly is a lost cause and the odds of him turning corner is far too little. Nobody wants Tuanzebe anyway for it to matters.

And nobody wants VDB too. If 3 of our managers dont rate him at 50M good luck wanting to sell him for anything much.

So yeah...
 
Oh no, someone got something wrong.

Pray tell how we can always be right like you oh wise one?

Pretty sure I could go through your ridiculous amount of comments here and find a mountain of comments where you've been categorically wrong, But I've better things to do with my time.

oh I’m wrong on a lot of things, it’s just that they don’t tend to be whiny bastard negative as feck things.
 
Imagine us paying £46M for Martinez and he gets exposed then we sell E Bailey for £12.5M to one of the big Italian sides and he becomes a superstar and £76M value at the end of the season. I’m saying now Bailey is more an ETH type player than any other of defenders except R Varane, he likes aggressive front footed defenders. We have 60 games to play we should be looking for an attacking RB, A young sweeper Keeper to deputise or Sergio Romero who knows the club, a deep lying playmaker , Aggressive CFW and left footed Right wing to go with Martinez, Malacia and Eriksen

Murtourgh and Arnold have 3/4 weeks to get this right. We need to sell Telles, A Pereira, AWB, Axel Tuanzebe, Ronaldo( He wants to Go) P Jones , T Chong. We might get £60M if we hang out for £20M for Ronaldo

Then go buy the following, ;
GK - S Romero - Free
RB - Dumfries 3
CM - Y Tielemans 30M
RW - Antony 60M
CF - Belotti Free

Thats 120M spend added to the 60M for Malacia, zMartinez and Ericsen or £120M Net and we’ve strengthened the squad. we will need to spend £50M in January for Patrik Shick and £70M next year for FDJ

My man went full FM Muppet thread circa 2006.
 
Imagine us paying £46M for Martinez and he gets exposed then we sell E Bailey for £12.5M to one of the big Italian sides and he becomes a superstar and £76M value at the end of the season. I’m saying now Bailey is more an ETH type player than any other of defenders except R Varane, he likes aggressive front footed defenders. We have 60 games to play we should be looking for an attacking RB, A young sweeper Keeper to deputise or Sergio Romero who knows the club, a deep lying playmaker , Aggressive CFW and left footed Right wing to go with Martinez, Malacia and Eriksen

Murtourgh and Arnold have 3/4 weeks to get this right. We need to sell Telles, A Pereira, AWB, Axel Tuanzebe, Ronaldo( He wants to Go) P Jones , T Chong. We might get £60M if we hang out for £20M for Ronaldo

Then go buy the following, ;
GK - S Romero - Free
RB - Dumfries 3
CM - Y Tielemans 30M
RW - Antony 60M
CF - Belotti Free

Thats 120M spend added to the 60M for Malacia, zMartinez and Ericsen or £120M Net and we’ve strengthened the squad. we will need to spend £50M in January for Patrik Shick and £70M next year for FDJ
You have a very imaginative mind, none of this will happen apart from the signing martinez. Baileys to injury prone so will probably play about 5 games a season. There’s no links what so ever for Patrik Schick, so don’t get why a lot of people are saying we’ll buy him. Don’t think we’ll get belotti, more chance of Ronaldo staying. Antony, martinez, eriksen and FDJ are the 4 players we want to sign next.
 
I'd rather we keep Lindelof for 30M. Nobody wants Maguire. I'd keep Varane at all cost.

Bailly is a lost cause and the odds of him turning corner is far too little. Nobody wants Tuanzebe anyway for it to matters.

And nobody wants VDB too. If 3 of our managers dont rate him at 50M good luck wanting to sell him for anything much.

So yeah...

Somebody would give us money for both Maguire and VDB. VDB might even go back to Ajax if that was a possibility. I'm not sure Maguire would be the player that got sold out of the three though, think it would be Varane.
 
Just read its official, 55 plus bonusses. Congrats on having him, he is a class player. Besides his height no weaknesses. For a central defender he can really play football, tackle, defend high and comfortable on the ball. I dont think ive ever seen him play a weak game. If he is good for the premier league we will see. I never thought too much of Donny vd Beek, but Martinez is something else. Its too bad Ajax cant keep their players. This one will be missed

yeah this is basically it. Only maybe in his first season when played in the midfield did he ever look off the pace. Other than he's the most consistent performer we have, and it's always at least a 7

Any idea why we were in for Timber first instead of Martinez? Higher potential?
 
Weird translation

Ajax loves Martinez training field

AMSTERDAM - Lisandro Martinez (24) normally made his last meters for Ajax. The Argentine defender was not welcome on the training field at De Toekomst on Thursday morning. In anticipation of the transfer to Manchester United, Ajax does not want to take any risks and the legs of (a maximum of) 55 million euros were spared. In the gym Martinez worked out his own program.

The day before, Ajax director Edwin van der Sar and the United board reached an outline agreement on the deal, which was presented to the supervisory board of Ajax
 
Somebody would give us money for both Maguire and VDB. VDB might even go back to Ajax if that was a possibility. I'm not sure Maguire would be the player that got sold out of the three though, think it would be Varane.

They have no room for him. Several players on his position, unfortunately.
 
Just read its official, 55 plus bonusses. Congrats on having him, he is a class player. Besides his height no weaknesses. For a central defender he can really play football, tackle, defend high and comfortable on the ball. I dont think ive ever seen him play a weak game. If he is good for the premier league we will see. I never thought too much of Donny vd Beek, but Martinez is something else. Its too bad Ajax cant keep their players. This one will be missed

Its not 55 plus bonuses, it's 55 including all bonuses, max value of the deal is 55 million as per Dutch journalists.

 
Imagine us paying £46M for Martinez and he gets exposed then we sell E Bailey for £12.5M to one of the big Italian sides and he becomes a superstar and £76M value at the end of the season. I’m saying now Bailey is more an ETH type player than any other of defenders except R Varane, he likes aggressive front footed defenders. We have 60 games to play we should be looking for an attacking RB, A young sweeper Keeper to deputise or Sergio Romero who knows the club, a deep lying playmaker , Aggressive CFW and left footed Right wing to go with Martinez, Malacia and Eriksen

Murtourgh and Arnold have 3/4 weeks to get this right. We need to sell Telles, A Pereira, AWB, Axel Tuanzebe, Ronaldo( He wants to Go) P Jones , T Chong. We might get £60M if we hang out for £20M for Ronaldo

Then go buy the following, ;
GK - S Romero - Free
RB - Dumfries 3
CM - Y Tielemans 30M
RW - Antony 60M
CF - Belotti Free

Thats 120M spend added to the 60M for Malacia, zMartinez and Ericsen or £120M Net and we’ve strengthened the squad. we will need to spend £50M in January for Patrik Shick and £70M next year for FDJ

Imagine is all you can do. Because Martinez is very good and could play next to Bailly, but Bailly has shown he cant even be fit for half the games of a season
 
Weird translation
Houd has a few meanings: 'houden van' is the verb for loving someone/something. But in this case it's used in the meaning of 'WEGhouden van', as in keeping him AWAY (WEG) from training pitch. You just got a literal translation from google translate.
 
Imagine us paying £46M for Martinez and he gets exposed then we sell E Bailey for £12.5M to one of the big Italian sides and he becomes a superstar and £76M value at the end of the season. I’m saying now Bailey is more an ETH type player than any other of defenders except R Varane, he likes aggressive front footed defenders. We have 60 games to play we should be looking for an attacking RB, A young sweeper Keeper to deputise or Sergio Romero who knows the club, a deep lying playmaker , Aggressive CFW and left footed Right wing to go with Martinez, Malacia and Eriksen

Murtourgh and Arnold have 3/4 weeks to get this right. We need to sell Telles, A Pereira, AWB, Axel Tuanzebe, Ronaldo( He wants to Go) P Jones , T Chong. We might get £60M if we hang out for £20M for Ronaldo

Then go buy the following, ;
GK - S Romero - Free
RB - Dumfries 3
CM - Y Tielemans 30M
RW - Antony 60M
CF - Belotti Free

Thats 120M spend added to the 60M for Malacia, zMartinez and Ericsen or £120M Net and we’ve strengthened the squad. we will need to spend £50M in January for Patrik Shick and £70M next year for FDJ
Bailly hasn't had a single season with us where he hasn't picked up at least two lengthy injuries. I love the guy but he's crocked.
 
shaw had a double leg break I was at the game in Holland it was one of the worst I’ve ever seen, he’s done amazing to play again but at 26 I see him seeing off Malacia and Chillwelll with relative ease, because if ever a player had everything, pace power, technical ability to play either as inverted full back or overlap and create from a wide area then Luke shaw has that, he’s always been a modern full back that’s been unlucky with injuries, how many English born Man United Defenders have scored in a major international final or made team of the tournament only Rio, Bobby Charlton , Nobby Stiles and Luke Shaw hugely he’s not overrated and yes he needs competition but people forget how much he covered Harry Maguire deficiencies from the previous 2 seasons for club and country as soon as Telles came in the team , Maguire lack of pace and positional sense was exposed so is Luke shaw going to play 40 games and T Mallicia 20 I hope so because that means we have. Managed our injuries better than usual.

Plenty of players have over come worse injuries than his double leg break and returned to play. It's not an excuse anymore. You also can't blame Shaw for Maguire's positioning being exposed, you could blame him for not staying with the line and playing people onside as he did several times last year.

He's just not driven enough to be as good as he should be consistently. He's just another player who shows up when he wants to or thinks he has a point to prove. Like when Telles came in, it shouldn't take that to light a fire in him.

I personally hope Malacia comes in shows him up for what he is and puts him in his rightful place, on the bench or better still out the door.
 
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