What’s the cut off for using that term then for the record? Obviously not top ten. Anyone in the top twenty?
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What’s the cut off for using that term then for the record? Obviously not top ten. Anyone in the top twenty?
Ouch.. Harsh but fair!
I was an incredible footballer in my Sunday league days.... Incredibly average!
If Pogba ran more, but was equally unpreductive that would describe me. Moments of brilliance that could get me in the team, but mostly a bit disappointing.
Wel, that depends on the numbers, surely? There have been tens of thousands of defenders transferred across assocation football, right? So being 11th out of all that feels worthy of being called one of the most expensive ever?
But I mean if I called you the 11th biggest c*** on redcafe I dunno if that'd make you one of the biggest ones, cause it's a much smaller overall pool.
Anyway, I digress, I don't know why you're clinging on to this so much. He is objectively, one of the most expensive defenders ever purchased. What's the problem with labelling him that? You said it was a fair fee, has realizing that he was incredibly expensive vs other defenders has made you doubt that?
I can't wait to see him play for us, by the way. It was crazy money but hopefully ETH knows what he's doing and he turns out to be a better purchase than all our other failed defenders were!
Don't know why people don't think we needed a CB. Bailly and Varane can't be trusted to stay fit and we're then left with Lindelof and Maguire who are a disaster waiting to happen when they play as a pair.
I've not seen much of Martinez but we definitely lack aggression and passing ability at the back so if he has those qualities it will be a plus. Don't see his height on its own being much of a problem in modern football personally, it's more how he adapts to the league as a whole.
It'll be interesting to see how it actually works if Varane stays fit, because the thought of him being benched for Maguire is madness. Could we try him as a DM? Of course that depends on Varane staying consistently fit though which is a huge question mark.
I've not seen much of Martinez but we definitely lack aggression and passing ability at the back so if he has those qualities it will be a plus. Don't see his height on its own being much of a problem in modern football personally, it's more how he adapts to the league as a whole.
It'll be interesting to see how it actually works if Varane stays fit, because the thought of him being benched for Maguire is madness. Could we try him as a DM? Of course that depends on Varane staying consistently fit though which is a huge question mark.
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HOW MUCH???????
Compared to Maguire for £80m and Ben White for £50m I think it’s a reasonable price, maybe a tad overpriced but clearly the manager wanted him so we made it happen.
Don't know too much about him but if ETH wanted him that's good enough for me.
Seems a lot of money for a CB but I've no doubt he's better than most of what we have now.
Seems a lot of money for a CB but I've no doubt he's better than most of what we have now.
Pair him with Bailly and just let them do the carnage.
We’ll see, I mean I think he is only at the club because Timber said no so saying he is that crucial is debatable. We’ll see how it pans out. Maguire is the captain so at least likely to start the season, is Varne gonna be benched off the mark? Again seems unlikely. Personally I think Martinez will get his shot if one of those two get injured or perform badly at the start of the season.
So is he an aggressively smart player or aggressively stupid like Rojo was?
Very clever player
Yes.
Aggressively short
The irony is among the joke this is bang on as a description. His ball winning stats in the air are some of the best in Europe. He is better in the air than Maguire despite that making no sense!
Does he have a short fuse as well? How's he in the yellow/red card department?
Given you're not a professional footballer you most certainly wouldn't.
fee of up to €67.37 m (official Ajax statement).
we got robbed once again
I have watched every game of Martinez at Ajax. He is fast and clever but he will not succeed in the Premier League. The English league is more physical than the Dutch league (Eredivisie). Martinez simply lacks the strength and height to compete against the top class strikers in the Premier League.
Erik Ten Hag has a habit of bringing in players he has worked with before. He has done the same when he became the head coach of Ajax. He brought in Labyad and Klaiber from his previous club FC Utrecht. Both of them were very underwhelming and did not succeed at Ajax. I'm afraid that history is going to repeat itself and that the same is going to happen with Martinez at Manchester United.
Can we also get Rafael and Rojo back for a season. It will be a bloodbath
You are right! What was the last CB that was big success with that height?
Looks to be great with the ball and a tough, no nonsense player. Just what we need.
Good compilation of his skills here LISANDRO MARTINEZ | Welcome To Manchester United 2022 | Genius Passes, Skills & Defending (HD) - YouTube
Good compilation of his skills here LISANDRO MARTINEZ | Welcome To Manchester United 2022 | Genius Passes, Skills & Defending (HD) - YouTube
Erik Ten Hag is going to start with him. I'm 100% sure. I am not stating that Ten Hag should start with Martinez in the first eleven. But Ten Hag will put Martinez in the starting eleven, no doubt in my mind.
Yeah but if you were any good at football, you would be away on a pre season tour, not talking nonsense on the CAF.
Makes sense to sign current or former Ajax players during this first window, but I hope ETH starts scouting elsewhere for 2023-24.
Are there any Dutch posters on the Caf who think he is a good signing?
He was Ajax player of the year. How is he not?Are there any Dutch posters on the Caf who think he is a good signing?
Can we also get Rafael and Rojo back for a season. It will be a bloodbath
Rojo immediately crossed my mind, but was short on that RB position.
Cheers, would pay to see that backline.
Yeah, but everyone knows that all Dutch people are midgets, so it doesn't really count for much.
Wait a sec...
Ziyech won the award 3 times in a row. Tadic won it the previous season. Neither are good enough.
By page 7 of this thread I had to look his height up to make sure we hadnt signed a 5-1 centre back.
Basically same height as Baresa and Cannavaro. If it was all about height we already have Slabhead.
Basically same height as Baresa and Cannavaro. If it was all about height we already have Slabhead.
Ok fair enough. Time will tell like any other signing there is no guarantee. But let the lad get a few games first before writing him off
I’m 6 foot and wouldn’t make it in the EPL either. Probably due to the same reason as you which is we’re both shit.
£46m.
You’re going to find every deal, ever, a bargain compared to that one.
Yes and which defender was the best in heading duels?
I don't think that matters much in the grand scheme of things. Loads of Dutch posters/Ajax fans are on here right now saying he's not cut out for the PL. That's not exactly reassuring. let's be honest, they've all watched him way more than we have. Most of us are going by a few CL games, clips, and Opta stats that make us all giddy.
I hope he's a great signing. And I hope that we aren't yet again just pandering to the manager for exactly what they want in the face of common sense! We'll find out soon.
EDIT: Actually he's not even what ETH wanted as his first choice, that was Timber. Yikes!