He definitely wasn't ready to play this game. Not sure if he even ready to start again Chelsea
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We have to tone down how we rate our players. He is not really great at defending and has an obvious drawback in height. We have to accept that most managers will not want him as a central defender in a back four.
One dodgy sub appearance while he's nowhere near match fitness and he's overrated. Vintage caf.
I never was a fan of his type of defenders (pit bull approach, last ditch tackles and passion). Ok, Vidic is exception but he was world class player.
Lisandro is a good defender (and his ball playing ability gives huge advantage to his team) but he is not THAT good as our fans think about him. He is upgraded version of Rojo.
Give me Rio or Nesta type of defenders any day of the week. Defenders who barely do tackle whole game but do their job with excellent anticipation and positioning.
Clearly rusty after another fairly bad injury.
Never confident in this sort of game against the new age Wimbledon type ball in air a lot merchants. And the aggression he puts in must be contributing to the injury record.
Never confident in this sort of game against the new age Wimbledon type ball in air a lot merchants. And the aggression he puts in must be contributing to the injury record.
I see it same. Top class on the ball obviously but for me he's not what we really want at CB if we want to play a high line and he's a weakness on set pieces in both boxes.
I think a new manager would likely move to 3 at the back or use him at LB often to accommodate him.
The whole world would prefer a Rio or Nesta type player, but where are they?
Our teams biggest problem at the moment is attitude and he's got it in spades. He's merely a good footballer otherwise, in the same way that Eric Cantona was merely a good attacker. Just needs to get properly fit and settle back into the team.
Exactly what Brentford had over us today and why we were dominated
Yeah he'll need time to get up to speed being out for so long and we do need his involvement. However the reality is he's a small defender, he will get outmuscled and he isn't cannavaro. There will always be a limit to how good he can be. When you look around at the CBs at Pool, City, Arsenal.....Martinez is the odd one out. He doesn't need to be replaced now but at some point we will need to get a bigger left sided centreback. Saying that, he is our best CB which isn't saying much about the CBs that we do have.
You could tell by the reaction of Ten Hag, and his facial expression, when Lindeloff went down and the physio showed the substation sign, that he was not willing to introduce Martinez to the game, but he simply had to, after 2 CB got injured today.
There is nothing funny here, he is very rash and physically challenged. This is what we said about ETH earlier in the season and people said we were being reactive. He is not our biggest problem but we can’t play high line with players that are not quick and not good in the air.
We had another CB on the bench didn’t we?
You are rash. He's had an injury plagued season and was thrown on because our other CB was already brought on and 2 CBs were knackered. He probably shouldnt have been on the bench and he certainly shouldnt be coming on in those circumstances in the condition hes in.
He's quick enough on the floor, he's not great in the air but there are 2 CBs and more importantly you cant play out from the back without defenders who can play out from the back. Lisandro is our only CB comfortable with this and thats our manager's plan A playing style. Its also the style of a lot of managers we might bring in to replace him
He played poorly today as you should expect
McTom has also played CB for Scotland and had done F all else all game
Why is this lad called the butcher? he's tiny and not hard at all. Toney bullied him for the equaliser.
Has to come in because of two injuries to other centre backs. He didnt look anywhere near match fit. He obviously doesnt play well and now all of a sudden he is back to being too small, too slow, cant play a high line and a risk on set pieces. All of that wasnt a problem when he was totally match fit and was fantastic during his first season but after today it all of a sudden is problem again. He also is 'rash' now because it was a bad game. During all those good games it was praised as 'agressive' and 'on the front foot'.
One bad game from a not fit player doesnt turn a very good defender into a defender that isnt good enough anymore. Hopefully, and i also expect him, to be great again when he is fully match fit. He is very important to this team.
One bad game from a not fit player doesnt turn a very good defender into a defender that isnt good enough anymore. Hopefully, and i also expect him, to be great again when he is fully match fit. He is very important to this team.
Memorable moment when he held onto the ball for a few seconds wondering what to do before suddenly turning and firing it towards Maguire's head, who ducked out of the way.
He turned him and got a pullback he shouldnt have been allowed. Was more quick/clever play than "bullying"
True. I believe he wanted to go for experience, as I'm not sure how Kambwala would've fared against Toney and Mbuemo, who were in the game big time.
He’s top 3 CBs in PL. Will be in shape again soon and we will all laugh again to these people commenting here.
Of course he wasn’t supposed to play today but it’s good for him to have minutes. Even if he makes a couple mistakes in the process.
after all, I have to tolerate watching Bruno and coming here to read people defending him as if he was anywhere good to be playing for MUFC.
Of course he wasn’t supposed to play today but it’s good for him to have minutes. Even if he makes a couple mistakes in the process.
after all, I have to tolerate watching Bruno and coming here to read people defending him as if he was anywhere good to be playing for MUFC.
Toney bullied them all.
Probably better than someone coming back from injury who got injured last time he was playing too early. And even if he didnt do any better it'd be good experience for a young player and whats expected
As is, putting him straight into a dumpster fire he could have got injured again. 2 fit CBs did...
He didn't look fit and was very shite today. Probably not his fault really but he was rubbish.
The Butcher. I'd be more terrified of Fred Elliot a say.
I didn't know that Carragher joined the caf.
Well it is alright, we can continue to be delusional.
He is not the worst defender in our team but the bar is pretty low.
This thread is gone a bit nuts considering he was on for 20 mins. He’s now shite
Just don't rush him back please.
We won't qualify for the CL anyway
We won't qualify for the CL anyway
I hate this place sometimes. This is the reason why most sane people stay away after a defeat. The idiots just talk the loudest.
He had a bad game but I am sure he wasn't supposed to play 25-30min today he just didn't look fit to me.
Well it looks like we will have to, because Varane and Linda both went off injured last night.
That is quite honestly the most pathetic post I’ve seen on here in a long time. Grand you’re entitled to your opinion but you’re just wrong on so many levels
He's quality, but he has obviously been rushed back. Same for Højlund.
They really do. Part of it also must be about 'being right'. Martinez came in and wasnt a world class defender from day 1. Posters (and pundits) wrote him off and claimed he was too small. Martinez made them look stupid by turning into one of the best defenders in the league last season. Now those posters who looked stupid have the chance for a 'i was right back then'
Onana performance topic is going to suffer from those posts for quite some time too.
Your opinion about my opinion means f'all to me. We will always look to compensate for his lack of height in the team. We will be looking to get midfielders with height and no technical ability to compensate for the lack of height in defence going forward when it is easier to get CBs with height and technical quality than getting midfielders with height and technical quality.
He will be good in a back three when the other two can compensate. This is the way I see it and I am happy to be proven wrong.
You've been long proven to be wrong. Martinez has been brilliant in a back four.
I think it's hard to know where to rate him.
Martinez has had periods where he's been fantastic; not quite Vidic level but certainly one of best in the league. The couple of months last season before the World Cup, and the few games when he came back from injury (the second time) this season.
However he's also had periods where he hasn't been so good. He was nothing more than 'ok' most of the time after the World Cup last season, and obviously struggled for the first few games of this season. The latter might have been due to him rushing back and not being fully recovered so wouldn't hold it against him too much, but the former was an issue.
So it really depends which Martinez we see more often going forward. If he can get back to that pre-World Cup form consistently, then he's a great player to have. His height (and lack of speed) will always be a bit of an issue that we have to compensate for, but he brings enough advantages that it's worth doing so. But if it's more of the post-World Cup form, then he won't be good enough to make up for the disadvantages and we'll ultimately have to look to improve.
Oh do tell, waiting to see him be a part of a back four dominating and competing for the title. Again as fans we always look at the small picture but the big picture is that the team will always look to compensate for issues that we should not be compensating for. In any case he is not our biggest problem at the moment.
I agree. Good player but at Arsenal or City he'd be mainly used at left back (and be very effective there).
Even them two have moved to taller players at full back, a big part of why they are two of the best at set pieces at both ends of the pitch.
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