Hes an absolute cnut.
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Hes an absolute cnut.
Malaga are decent...
I think Villa are a better side than Malaga, even if you assume both leagues are of equal strength, Wigan would be a better comparison with Malaga.
You dont think we've missed a diving fanny drama queen, average defender with suspect temperament with lots of pace and a very good cross?
Do City really have the biggest pitch in World Football
.I never knew the Massive song was literally true.
You're boring... why don't you go wank over some Henry video or something.
Thats just simplifying things way too much. We struggle to score against Villareal every time. We put 5 past stoke. People love making steriotypes out of everything. Liverpool have handed out quite a number of hammerings this season to. And if you look at potential, their players have fulfilled their potential much more than ours. Obviously were ahead because our players have much greater potential than theirs. But they've gotten more out of Rieira, Kuyt, Benayoun, Gerrard, Torres etc than we have out of our much better attacking lot.
Two seasons back we were pissing all over teams. Our passing was magnificent. I really liked the football we played that season. It was very special. Last season too there times when we looked unplayable. I know Barca are possibly even better than that right now, but in terms of our attacking players, we've dropped a level this season. That is all. I dont know why one always has to defend any criticism of united. And you say im biased.
I think that's fair, but I'd say they're closer to Everton than Wigan maybe. Not as good as Villa.
Wouldn't surprise me if Rafael turned into a pretty similar player.
We have not looked like ripping any team to shreds even once this season, but that's possibly a price we paid for a great defence (well until 10 days ago), we just don't seem to have the balance right right now.
I dont think so. Our success in the last few seasons has been built around a great defence AND a great attack. Possibly there was this phase when we were more intent on holding on to a lead, subconsciously. Like i said, theres no shame in admitting these things. And thats whats worthy of praise about Barca, they have so MANY attackers having great seasons. That IMO is very rare. Well done guardiola.
You are. And I'm not over-simplifying. Common knowledge that defending in La Liga is worse, and the attacking is better.
Really all you were doing was being overly critical again, and seen this as a reason to criticise our attacking play rather than praise Barcelona's.
Says it all really.
If you want to criticise our play all day, go for it. I couldn't care less. We've just won the league twice in a row playing great football, you can't do it year in, year out. They aren't machines.
While you're complaining about our attacking play, I'll be praising our defence. Or celebrating the title.
It's more fun.
Personally I see very little difference between Villa & Everton.
I don't think Rafael will become a drama queen like Alves.
Me either, but with an admirable attitude and temperament as we've already seen - something Alves lacks.
Wouldnt surprise me if Rafael became a better player.
Our very long "no goals conceeded" run definitely saw us become more Mourinho-esque...
Anyway, Barca are having a great season, I've never tried to deny that, just that I don't want to jump to conclusions about them before the season is over.
We looked great in 06/07, but somehow bottled it in Milan...
I see a massive difference.
Villa are a team built around quick attacking, and they are a better team going forward quite evidently.
Everton are a team that have built up their team around cheap players and winning 1-0, keeping it tight. I think Malaga are more like that, they definitely built their team around cheap players.
Yep, we can only hope.
However results wise, you'd usually place them around the Uefa Cup spots. Don't no much about Malaga but I assume they're having a bit of a maverick season and haven't often found themselves at that end of the table.
Well, if you put it that way, I'd agree. I meant I see little difference in the overall quality of Everton & Villa, I'd expect them to finish NEXT season without too much between them.
Very odd. Again, you claim to 'know' posters without knowing anything about them at all.
I've been one of the posters who least criticizes united over the years. I cant stop gloating over our defence over the years. I have nothing but admiration for our back four who have been magnificent over the last two years. Vidic and Rio are as good a central defensive pairing you'll get to see in football. Im a big fan of Vidic, i genuinely beleive that unless theres some massive explosion in his head, we have a defender who'll down as one of the best. I've been an Evra fan and singing his praises ever since he found his feet in English football, hes redefinied what i look for in a fullback.
Yet obviously you presume that i just look a the negatives. Typically pressumtious.
And theres nothing wrong with saying one bad thing after every two good things. Especially when its based genuinely on what you see. I openly gloat about our defensive record this season but that doesnt mean if theres something slightly negative you wipe it under the matress.
I simply think our talent is that good. I wont complain if we win the title again and the whole team fails to fulfill its potential. Its united's interest i care about. But its an observation indeed, that theres a team out there that has almost all its attackers having BRILLIANT seasons. That rarely happens. And while our attackers struggle to fulfill their immense potential this year, it does make me wonder why we are able to. If thats focussing on the negatives so be it. Because in all probability its not.
The whole of the last two seasons has just been beautiful as a united supporter. The times we lost made winning things in the end only sweeter. Winning the CL the way we did made it as special as it could have been.
Our very long "no goals conceeded" run definitely saw us become more Mourinho-esque...
Anyway, Barca are having a great season, I've never tried to deny that, just that I don't want to jump to conclusions about them before the season is over.
We looked great in 06/07, but somehow bottled it in Milan...
We didnt bottle. IMO if we had all our defenders fit we would have won it. People forget they scored two away goals in the first leg. Thats a big deal. Heinze played like a maniac and had we had our first back four IMO we would have done just fine. I truly believe we would have been through. We played some lovely stuff that season. There was this freshness about our play. And Ronaldos play outside the box was just as good as his play in it, probably better.
I honestly think Malaga are more comparable to Wigan.
If you look at the betting market, Barca were 2 goal favs at home and United are likely to be 2 goal favs at home to Wigan.
Ahhh, yes I see now.
I see where Cal? was coming from, suppose they are more like Wigan.
Never did claim that.
Any time I've noticed you you've been complaining about our slow attacking play, and no, I don't think that's alright.
I gave the simple answer that if we were playing in La Liga we'd score far more goals, and that's true.
Milan were quite simply marvellous that night in the San Siro. It would have been difficult to live with them had we been at our very best.
I remember that season we had much more of a consistent first XI, which no doubt helped our team become such a cohesive unit at both ends of the pitch, but probably was another reason for our undoing that night as fatigue must have taken its toll, especially coming off that frantic game at Goodison Park.
Milan not challenging for Serie A would of had the luxury of resting key players before every Champions League game.
Slow? When was that? I just think it hasnt quite clicked it attack this season like it has in past season, it happens after two brilliant years.
Thats all well and good but my point is we can and have done better in our own league, and that the league isnt the hindrance, our form is.
My post actually addressed the fact that you thought i concentrated on uniteds negativesrather than positives. You did claim that and THAT is what the reply is about not the rest you've replied to.
They were very good but with a full strength defence we could have had a bigger lead from the first leg which would have given us such a lift for the second. Also them dominating the midfield was all well and good but we could have what we did at the camp nou and shut them out successfully. IMO we would have done it.
No wonder we always struggle at Upton Park. It's like playing in a phone booth.
A couple of months back, blaming Berbatov for slowing down our play.
And yes, our form is a hindrance. The league is too, if we're comparing ourselves to Barcelona.
Well that's always how it's seemed to me. Sorry if you took offense to that.
If Gatusso wasn't taken off injured in the first leg, we might not have had a lead at all. But I get what your saying, and it would have been great to have seen what we would have accomplished with a full strength back four.
That season in Europe, we were much more adventurous in our approach in comparison to last year where we adopted a more tactical, stifling manner in which we set up in the away ties. Not sure if the 06-07 side would have carried it out to quite the same effect as what we did in the Nou Camp.
I dont think i've blamed Berbatov for slowing us down. It must be confusing with so many people criticising him. As far as i can remember, its always been about the threat he provides rather than the languidness of his play, or the time he takes. I dont care how much time a player takes as long as he does the right thing.
Fair enough, both play a part, but i didnt say we had to score how many Barca do in La Liga. Simply that its come together incredibly well for barca going forwards and we've done lesser than previous seasons.
I didnt offense, just pointing out that it isnt how its seemed to you.
God knows. We may just have out played them, you never know!
Its just a belief of mine. I thought that team was much better than Milan and they needed us to be a bit bruised and battered with holes in our defence to exploit us. Had we had our best team together i dont think they would have gotten that chance.
Marcos told me that he secretly thinks Messi is rubbish and that it is all the pope's fault.
Probably.
Probably.
Glenn Hoddle is praying for you Wibble........
I hope Eileen kicks Wibble in the bollocks
And when he asks for healing, nuts him in the face
And when he asks for healing, nuts him in the face
It's his appetite that constantly surprises me. He works hard for the team, when he loses the ball he wins it back or at least makes a damn good effort to. He was good at the weekend but when things werent all coming off for him he never let it affect his all round game, he battled well.
He is class.
Barca dominate possession in most of their matches, quite often in the opposition half, don't they? At least that's what it appears like to me from the highlights i see. This results in wave after wave of Barcelona attack in most matches they play. My point is, is it unreasonable to assume Ronaldo would be just as prolific were he introduced into this Barca team in place of Messi?
I'm not saying he would be, i'm just asking as i don't watch La Liga often enough to comment, and i'm genuinely curious. Apologies if this point has been raised before.
I'm not saying he would be, i'm just asking as i don't watch La Liga often enough to comment, and i'm genuinely curious. Apologies if this point has been raised before.
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