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Him and Ronaldo can inter change on the wings.
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Him and Ronaldo can inter change on the wings.
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Lionel Messi
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You can't be the best player ever if you're not even the best of your generation..
Don't you think maybe he is the best of his generation, or at least well on the way to becoming the best in his generation?
There hasn't been a player as devistatingly tallented and complete at his age since the Ronaldo (not cristiano).
That's a bit silly really
great player to watch and possibly an all-time great but the greatest?
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You don't watch Messi often enough Gus, you'll regret that when it become s clear to everyone how good he is.
Brilliantly entertaining.
Brilliantly entertaining.
Basically it's the only explination for people to under rate Messi.
There are a handfull of blindly biased United fans who already claim Ronaldo to be some sort of footballing god, comparable already to the greats of the game.
People of the opinion Messi isn't even comparable to Ronaldo are delusional, blind, extreamly biased or just plain don't have a clue about football.
Even an adament Messi appreciater like myself wouldn't say Messi is as good as one of the greats of the game. I agree with cesc that he could one day be regarded as such but that's a long way off.
I really couldn't even care less about how underrated Messi is by some fans now, but I genuinely do think people will regret not watching a player as entertaining as Messi just because Ronaldo plays for us.
That's not a good reason to miss out on watching a footballing genius. It's beautiful to watch.
True brwnd, if you can't bring yourself to appreciate the most tallented player in world football then you're a lost cause.
You either havent read my posts or are thick as shite.
Only a moron wouldnt rate messi as exceptional. My point is posts such as the thread starters are ridiculously premature...and given ronaldo's achievements to date in comparison its laughable that it is ronnie not the subject of these threads
Ronaldo is the subject of these threads plenty.
This thread is premature, but you didn't put that point across very well.
Up until now you hadn't said one good word about Messi, just mentioned Ronaldo or came up with some bollocks insults in every post:
no its not his fault...tell you what we'll just forget his injury track record..its not important...carry on.
so you say...prove it. I say messi is at a higher level now but walcott has more potential.
even wenger says so
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=918122
2 can play this ridiculous game my friend
If this thread had been started before the summer the responses would've been different, of that I'm 100 percent certain, don't you agree?
Of course he could one day be regarded as that, as one of the greatest, but there's more than one that can be that. I don't think Messi will be regarded as greater than Ronaldo, let alone Maradona and Pelé, when their respective careers finish, and that is due to Messi's lack of end product for a player of his calibre.
How entertaining a player is isn't exactly a measure of how good he is.
It's funny that you're talking about Messi being complete at his age and comparing to Ronaldo, probably the most complete player I've seen in my life. Ronaldo's quick, got great technique, is strong, tall, agile, great shot, decent crossing - but what sets him apart is that he's a great free kick taker, scores a fair few headers from corners every year, and is the team's best penalty taker. I remember last season when they took away all Ronaldo's free kicks, penalties and corners and argued that it meant that Torres was a better player than Ronaldo. However, they didn't mention that it may have meant that Torres isn't a good free kick takes, not a good penalty taker nor a good header of the ball and that that could've been the reason for him not scoring as many total goals as Ronaldo.
No, I actually don't think he's on the way of becoming that, as I think that Ronaldo in terms of importance, skill, end product and all other factors included is the best player of his generation, and as he is only two years younger than Messi (and still is improving) I can't see Messi being regarded as the best of his generation. He plays for the whole seasons as he's not injury prone like Messi, and when he does get an injury and is away for three months from football, he needs three matches to regain his scoring form and his finishing touch. That is Ronaldo's greatness.
Messi is great to watch and is far more entertaining with his twisting and turning, but for a player of his quality he does not have near the required end product (consistently) to be considered the best player in the world. Ronaldo uses his skills to score and create goals for his team whereas Messi doesn't score and set up enough goals for me (for a player that has the potential to do that) to call him the best player in the world - and hence not the best player of his generation, as the one who is better than him is two years older.
I'm not saying that it won't ever end up with Messi being regarded the best player ever, just that I can't see it happen.
So everyone who rates Messi as an exceptional talent is "a moron"? Anyone who think Messi is currently the best player in the world is "a moron"?
Messi has had his fair share of achievements to date too and given that he is 3 or 4 years behind Ronaldo in terms of first team football i really struggle to see how it is a ridiculous or premature thread/comparison.
Ronaldo has his thread about being the greatest ever number 7...
In response to Makki,
If your whole post is going on about Messi having no end product you are clueless and have already proven that you don't watch him play.
you can not read very well
I go out my way to watch Barca matches to see him play
Id hate to see the hyperbole had messi achieved as much as ronaldo has.
It is a good reason to watch him though. His ability is there for all to see, I don't need to, nor want to, go on about it.
Messi has scored 52 goals in 89 starts since 2004. 1 in every 1.71 starts.
Ronaldo has 95 in 184 in the same time. One goal in every 1.93 starts.
And yet you talk about Messi having no end product.
Messi has achieved a great deal already in his short career.
No where near what ronaldo has. FACT. Until he does for any period of time posts like yours (or whoever started this nonsense thread) will look very stupid.
Even after all that ronaldo has done people are still saying he has plenty to prove so your chat about messi is rank.
Do you believe for one second fergie would swap ronnie and all he brings to a side for messi?? PMSL
It is a good reason to watch him though. His ability is there for all to see, I don't need to, nor want to, go on about it.
Messi has scored 52 goals in 89 starts since 2004. 1 in every 1.71 starts.
Ronaldo has 95 in 184 in the same time. One goal in every 1.93 starts.
And yet you talk about Messi having no end product.
That is still ignoring Ronaldos first two seasons where he played 71 times for Sporting/United scoring 11.
Messi has already done things that Ronaldo will never do. FACT.
Your only argument is that he's been injured alot. That is the only reason he hasn't done it for a peroid of time, if he stays injury free for one full season you'll see.
United have moulded Ronaldo into the player he is now but he can still improve, if you think he's perfect i'd be worried.
As for Fergie swapping Ronaldo for Messi, i doubt it. But do you think Barca would swap Messi for Ronaldo? even less likely considering some of your very own fans would swap Messi for Ronaldo yet i can't imagine a single Barca fan having anything but love and admiration for messi.
Runner up in a major international tournament (copa america). Young player of the tournament award.
He won the youth world cup being awarded golden ball and player of the tournament.
Do the Euros count? Where a 19 year old Ronaldo led his Portugal to the final where they lost against Greece?
Edit: Not extra time, my bad.
And I think we can all agree that Portugal isn't nowhere near as big a footballing nation as Argentina, so the comparison isn't exactly fair even then, but alright.
Oh yeah i forgot about that. Still he wasn't named young player of the tournament. And i think it was more Rui Costa and Figo that led them as well as the home team factor...
Because there wasn't a young player of the tournament award given, at least not according to wiki where I checked. He was, however, selected in the team of the tournament.
Funny I seem to recall several people saying exactly the same thing regarding Michael Owen...
Fair point, and Messi could well go down the same line as Owen and get ruined by injuries.
Completely different types of payers though, one dominates games and one determines the score of games. The latter type is rarely remembered in the same way as the former, especially when the former regularly does both.
Would you not say Messi at 21 is a better player than Owen at 21 anyway?
Most talented player playing today by far. Best ever? seems unlikely, I doubt anyone will do what Maradona did. No shame in that. He can be up there with the very best though.
Again, you could have mentioned his Olympic medal, too. Doubt Ronaldo will ever bother to play in that tournament in the future.
"Scoring for Barca" looks a far cry of too, if Ronnie goes to Madrid instead.
But honestly, the appreciation of Messi and Ronaldo for all would be much easier to come by without senseless fox hole bashings against "opponents camps" where any argument is allowed, no matter how silly.
Messi runner up in Copa with Argentina
Ron runner up in Euro with Portugal
Messi best young player award
Ron in team of the tournament
Messi best player award in U-20
Ron number three in U-18?20? (after Le Tallec and Sinama Pongolle :-D)
These things really only indicate that these are two great players who are still young.
Last time we had two contenders for a player of the world spot both U-23 was ... never? But chances that they'll stagnate or loose their course are as big as the chances that they'll continue improving.
Personally, I fancy Welbeck at the moment ;-)
O my..... I thought we was going to get an on slaut of things Messi has done that Ronaldo hasn't and then you come up with this!!!
Euro 2004?! He wasn't even that Supreme Athlete back then either... That was Ronaldo with no end product (Yes that average guy who only became great because he plays to his strengths).
Ronaldo started on the Bench and after 1 game became a main starter!! Luis Figo was so bad he was brought off in a game that was crucial to Portugal qualifying... You see what i mean your just picking on Ronaldo to make someone else look better. If your going to judge on ability judge on ability, stop being a prick and devaluing someone's achievements when your opinions are shit and invalid.
Mainoldo i read some of your posts in the Ronaldo thread in the main forum. If you want to have a look at what a shit and invalid comment looks like then look no further than there.
I allowed myself to be dragged into a pointless argument with Gus who basically believes that anyone who thinks Messi is better than Ronaldo is "a mug" or "a moron" or "thick as shit". Clearly i shouldn't have bothered to respond to him after such insight into reason.
I allowed myself to be dragged into a pointless argument with Gus who basically believes that anyone who thinks Messi is better than Ronaldo is "a mug" or "a moron" or "thick as shit". Clearly i shouldn't have bothered to respond to him after such insight into reason.
I know... and then i come over here and see you writing the same shit!! It's a joke!
I would say Owen was never close to Messi's quality, but the "cult phenomenon" around Owen was similiar. Unfortunately, there is a quite wide spread tendency to overlook weaknesses in the game of young, promising, entertaining players, and particulary players who are good at the two most flashy feats of football: beating your man and scoring a goal. Unfortunately in that it overshadows some of the brilliance of other truly complete players or players of more overlooked strengths: Like Makelele and Duchamps, like Nesta, like Schmeichel.
Messi is much more than dribbling, goals and assists, but there are also many ineffectual sides to his game. My guess would be that he already is at his peak regarding beating the opponent and scoring goals, but the variety in his play and effectiveness of his game and stability in that will increase.
Exciting players to be sure, but these "worlds best player ever"-speculations can only cast clouds over the real interesting phenomenons.
Well now you are just inventing things...
In this thread i talk about Messi and what i think of him as a player, it typically gets dragged into a Ronaldo V Messi festival as the Ron brigade can't allow anything that mentions Messi not to be followed by "Ronaldo > Messi".
In the Ronaldo thread i was discussing Ronaldo as well as other players mentioned like George Best. I was hardly talking about or saying the same things where as you basically talk trollop in both threads as pointed out by the responses you have gotten in both.
I know what you mean and i agree!!
Sorry i didn't realise people respeacted you that much!! I have nothing wrong with expressing an opinion on a player you believe to be great, which Messi is. It's just the trash you come out with about Ronaldo to make him sound inferior to Messi!
The thing is unlike most of the Messi detractors i don't come out with trash to make him sound inferior to Messi. What have i said about Ronaldo that makes him sound so inferior? I think Ronaldo deserves the ballon d'or.
As for respect it's not really important. Each opinion on a matter is just that, an opinion. If you agree with the opinion or not is up to you. I'm sure you will find that people you have no respect for can still make valid points you agree with from time to time. It's got nothing to do with respect.
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