Tend to agree with that. The question is whether it was down to chance that Argentina won the tournament and not France or Brazil. One could argue that both France and Brazi had better teams than Argentina. The fact that exactly Argentina won with Maradona scoring some of the greatest WC goals ever (one of the goals vs Belgium was fantastic, too) elevated Maradona above Platini and Zico, and fully deservedly IMO.
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Tend to agree with that. The question is whether it was down to chance that Argentina won the tournament and not France or Brazil. One could argue that both France and Brazi had better teams than Argentina. The fact that exactly Argentina won with Maradona scoring some of the greatest WC goals ever (one of the goals vs Belgium was fantastic, too) elevated Maradona above Platini and Zico, and fully deservedly IMO.
non of them can compare to maradona, pele or distefano
zidane, platini, zico, ronaldinho are in a lower category
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Best in the world? He's not better than me.
Xavi wasn't playing against Malaga... cal?
Maradona's will to win and force of personality.. and his desire to do anything (H.O.G) to win really seperate him from the other two, imo. Zico was notoriously fragile, and was probably more wary of injuring himself because of it. He could go on amazing runs himself, but he wasn't prepared to take the knocks Maradona would and Platini was a fairy in terms of bravery on the pitch, so it wouldn't surprise me if he held back for fear of being clattered.
You have to hand it to Maradona; he is one of the most ballsy talented players there has ever been. Proper lionheart on the pitch and every fibre of his being he could maximise on the pitch, he did. Don't know if you could say the same for the other two despite their ridiculous level of ability.
He definitely earned his spot above them, but it's interesting how with the passage of time, the other two are considered waysiders by some distance when that was never the case whilst they were all active. 1986 changed everything.
Compare at what?
boiling eggs
Marcos is the Argentinian version of Cal?
Except marcos speaks sense.
I wouldn't know to be honest, I haven't read any posts in this thread in ages, I just wanted to wind up Margie.
It's a legitimate question.
Margie? feck you, swedish nutsack!
I thought it was quite genius. You see, I took Marcos and Argie and then I put them together and got Margie.
Basically, I am too brilliant for this place.
i know, i was kidding, at football
i agree, you shouldnt be here
we will miss you, but, hey, if you gotta go, you gotta go
You interjected a discussion about technique, though.
You interjected a discussion about technique, though.
yes
saw that later
sorry
but the "boiling eggs" reply was hilarious
FACT!
Agree with this.
Maradona was a firestorm who played as if he had no talent but was trying his damnedest to make up for it with effort and heart.
I really can't same the same for any other player ever.
Technically they do.
Just going to have to chalk it down to a difference of fact/opinion, then... I consider Maradona's passing a notch above that of Messi's *shrug*
Just to add to that a point that I read in the Burns (I believe) biography of Maradona; the notorious Goikotchea (sp?) tackle that screwed up his ankle meant that he had to have a pin inserted into that absurdly talented left peg of his... After that it tended to swell up to about two sizes over his actual shoe size, and he still played like a frickin' God.
Messi does too, for the record... And if he keeps growing I'll be questioning my Maradona for Prez stance.
random BFAHe was brilliant again last night. He has been slightly off form lately, however this was Messi back to his very best again.
He's still making the difference but he was far from his best last night I thought. That run last night was similar-ish to this one he had earlier in the season:
Some stats:
Played 39, scored 38 and assisted 20 goals.
Some stats:
Played 39, scored 38 and assisted 20 goals.
The ball to Sanchez for the first goal was ridiculous.
Rooney was randomly fifth in that knockout phase goal list, bit surprised by that one....although more surprised by the lack of consistent knockout goalscorers really.
Like 10 of Rooneys have come against Milan and Roma too...then 1 vs Barca/Bayern/Chelsea/Schalke I think. Man why I do I remember that shit, probably because he went years without scoring -_-
Like 10 of Rooneys have come against Milan and Roma too...then 1 vs Barca/Bayern/Chelsea/Schalke I think. Man why I do I remember that shit, probably because he went years without scoring -_-
He'll break all records and make those which won't be broken by anyone when he retires.
To think this is him not at his best. He should have scored at least a couple in this game but his assist was certainly note worthy.
Hasn't he scored or assisted in almost 50% of Barca's goals? That's incredible.
If only he can pass...
He's been gradually improving his passing in the last 18 months, don't you think? The kind of passing in the last two months is something I don't think we'd have seen two years ago...and we've seen how it's added a new dimension to his game. His playmaking's gotten better as his finishing's gotten worse in recent weeks.
The first leg of that game was the worst I've seen him this season and even then he still created two of the best chances of the game (Pique's header and Tello's 1v1). Still, I would like to see him get a rest. He's still brilliant but he looks so lethargic sometimes.
That's pretty much what I was saying here..
Also, I think he has been a bit unlucky with his finishing in recent weeks.. The one that hit the post yesterday would have gone in a couple of months ago.. We'll look at his goal tally at the end of the season and judge his finishing by then..
He looks lethargic because he has been really carrying the team this season.
His passing has always been very good in my opinion, in terms of playing the right pass or attempting to slot players in but it hasnt always been as accurate. It's probably the only aspect that can make him an even more effective player.
I agree, he hasn't been finishing chances you would usually bank on him finishing but still, if he isnt scoring he's setting up and if he isn't creating he's scoring.
He does need a rest though, which i think he'll get since they have basically conceded the league to Madrid.
The kid's not had a rest in what, 3 years? Copa America, World cup, 50+ games each season... it takes it's toll. It's amazing how he's managed to do it for so long.
Now that Madrid have La Liga sewn up I'd just wrap him up in cotton wool and just play him for Copa Del Ray and Champions League games
Now that Madrid have La Liga sewn up I'd just wrap him up in cotton wool and just play him for Copa Del Ray and Champions League games
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