Utd wasn't a favorite for the CL, that's what I meant. Messi joining PSG is an easier challenge than Ronaldo joining Utd. One has more chances to win something and go far in Europe
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tbh if Cristiano wins CL or PL with us, it is going to be bigger achievement than Messi winning UCL with PSG.
Well not really, but with Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo they've got a decent chance. I mean a bang average United knocked out PSG not a long time ago. Of course being defeated by the young boys isn't promising.
Probably, but it's not like United havn't won the PL before.
He literally wasn't that good in KO's though, especially by his standards.
but we have not won since SAF, forget about winning we have not even come close to winning, finishing second place with a huge margin gap from table leaders does not count either.
That is the point by his standard, yet he was behind every goal that Argentina scored in knockouts, which was only two.
No but I'd say that with the addition of players we've had this season we've got a legimate reason to be contenders obviously with Ronaldo being one of them. Shaw, Maguire, Varane, Bruno, Pogba, Sancho, Greenwood, Rashford, Ronaldo it's not a weak team.
The same Utd lost to many worse teams than PSG so stop being deluded. Take a look at any bookies you want and look at the odds given to Utd and PSG for the CL.
Besides Ronaldo is also playing in the tougher and more physically demanding league. The 2 situations cannot be compared.
Oh I know, but I find the whole argument around it tiresome already. There’s people getting gleeful if he fails. He’s not even a rival player, he’s one of the most talented players of all time and people have or will spend almost two decades trying to discredit him.
When was last time it happened ?
I know, we just lost to young boys. We also beat PSG under Ole fielding reserves and youth products.
Even if we did, PSG are still considered better. If we play them this season at some point, it's likely they'd be considered favorites too
It's usual for people to overreact.
It's either boom or bust in terms of opinions on the internet these days with both sets of fans taking extreme positions.
You'll have it in reverse when Ronnie will go through a goal drought with Messi scoring and assisting for fun. We'll hear "tap in/penalty" merchant if Ronaldo has an extra ordinary season and "anyone would do in a farmer's league" if Messi is able to do it.
Both set of fans are as stupid as the other and clearly both will always, always lose this endless battle and come here to brag about superiority of thier "GOAT".
It's either boom or bust in terms of opinions on the internet these days with both sets of fans taking extreme positions.
You'll have it in reverse when Ronnie will go through a goal drought with Messi scoring and assisting for fun. We'll hear "tap in/penalty" merchant if Ronaldo has an extra ordinary season and "anyone would do in a farmer's league" if Messi is able to do it.
Both set of fans are as stupid as the other and clearly both will always, always lose this endless battle and come here to brag about superiority of thier "GOAT".
Yes, it will.
I dont think they would tbh. I think this United side is a few consistent games away from being considered a serious threat. Especially if twat somebody in our next cl game.
They would. In Europe, Man Utd still has a lot to prove.
Thanks its my real name. The first name. You can spell it different ways
But Ronaldo fans are a bit sensitive of banter about his tap in style of play I see. Probably because you guys know there is some truth to it, deep down.
The things I’ve read here about Messi after a couple minutes at PSG, are just as crazy, if not more. Offcourse Ronaldo isn’t soley about his tap ins. Honestly he is one of the best penalty takers in the world. Probably the best.
All your displaying here is that you started watching football very recently or you simply know zlich about the game.
You're still managed by Ole, that's like the weakest link in the team right now and the UCL isn't a given for any team so it would be difficult even for PSG. So it's really hard to predict who's going to win it but surely PSG are favorites since Messi joined above Manchester United, but let's wait and see wich teams advance from the group stage. If Manchester United advance they'll be a threat but not favorites because of having a questionable coach and no experience in the latter stages of the competition.
It's a stat based list, not subjective. Can't you see that? Pjanic there is sort of an outlier - because his good stats come from just 3 games. Messi had the best stats in the WC. Him being awarded golden ball was a correct decision.
It is subjective, the stats that rating considers are not complete list and the weighted list is always subjective.
As per them, Soucek, Mount, Mane were 5th, 6th, 7th best players in the league last season.
Before that season, Ricardo Pereira, Adama, Mahrez, Maddison were top 10 players and Van Dijk was not even top 10 in the league when they won the league.
Btw I agree with the point that Messi was very good in 2014 and deserved best player award. I don't agree with "Messi is the best because Whoscored says so" point. They have weird rating system which rated Mustafi as top CB almost every season he played in PL.
I never saw the problem with Messi getting that award. he was the best performing individual that got the furthest in tournament while also having the most motm awards. nothing controversial in that.
I've not kept up with what he's doing but that reaction to getting substituted has been making the rounds around the internet, so I looked up how many goals he's scored. Apparent none in the league.
The French league might not be a farmer's league afterall.
The French league might not be a farmer's league afterall.
Cant even stay fit in the farmers league. Fraud confirmed.
He contributed one assist and 0 goals in 4 matches in UCL. In those 4 matches, they scores 2 goals. Argentina reached the final despite their bad attack.
He was the best player in the group stage, and just ok after that.
Why though? They reaches semis last year and the final the year after. And then added him.Messi fails:
Messi succeeds: it doesn’t count, it’s a farmers league
Messi has only one way to succeed and that’s to win the UCL which won’t happen with this club.
They should be right there with City as the main favorites.
Showed a lack of class in his reaction frankly. The manager is the boss, that's it. As it should be.
As ridiculous as it sounds, you can have a good game without having a goal or an assist. Just out of curiosity, have you watched the matches?
I guess maybe that's why Poch has sub him out?
Could be.
Probably because of Poch, you don't win big things with Poch.
I don’t think they have the right mentality for it. Especially under Poch. I also don’t think Messi will be a great fit. He will do well but in the key moments, Messi of late and Mbappe haven’t turned up. I put them below all the English sides and Bayern.
He took a knock and held his leg minutes before being subbed, maybe with adrenaline he thought he could continue playing and Poch decided not to risk him. Turns out the manager did the wise thing (also Icardi scored the winner).
I watched all of them cause I was supporting Argentina back then. Their attack was pretty shit, and Messi was at the heart of it. 2 goals in more than 430 minutes of KO (three of the matches went to extra time, so essentially the same amount of minutes as for 5 games) is pretty bad. The team had some control in midfield and a quite good defense, but the attack was not their strongest point, so yes, while it is possible to have good matches without scoring, at the same time, making an assist (which was great, tbf) and no goals in circa 450 minutes of play (if you add injury time) is not very good.
He was good, but outside of group stage matches, he wasn't that great. Robben, James, and half of the German team deserved the award more.
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nah. Robben also had couple of great group stage matches followed by nothing vs Mexico, nothing in 0-0 draw vs Costa Rica and nothing in 0-0 draw vs Argies where they lost. James on the other hand could have got that award if Colombia didn't lose in quarters already.
I felt that Robben was better, but it could just be that the expectations were lower.
Lahm, Kroos, Neuer, and to a lesser degree Muller had an overall great tournament, and most importantly won it. Germany also scored 11 goals in KO, compared to Argies 2. I think that one of them should have won the award. Probably Kroos.
I think that Mascherano might have been Argentina's best player outside of the group stage.
What are you even talking about? What stats? The most important stat is that Argentina scored 2 goals in 450 minutes - 1-0 after 120 minutes with Suisse, 1-0 after 90 minutes with Belgium, 0-0 after 120 minutes with the Dutch and 0-1 after 120 minutes vs Germany. Germany scored like 20 in the same period. Go watch baseball for more silly stats.
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Has Poch been told not to sub him off again unless Messi is OK with it, and that whole narrative about the knee injury a smokescreen? Seems a tad strange to only talk about that now, given Messi's reaction to being subbed.
Messi was clutching his knee a few minutes before being subbed which was why Poch subbed him in the first place.
Or they think it was Thomas Mueller.