How is Ronaldo a better goalscorer when he only has 15 more goals than Messi, excluding the South African league, but have played around 12000 more minutes? Around 3 full seasons worth. Or is it the whole CL knockout thing?
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How is Ronaldo a better goalscorer when he only has 15 more goals than Messi, excluding the South African league, but have played around 12000 more minutes? Around 3 full seasons worth. Or is it the whole CL knockout thing?
The logic behind this argument so bizarre.
It's easier to win the CL as a goalpoacher than being "the standout player", I guess.
Then why the feck did Messi not just play as a goalpoacher then. He would have won more titles. I'm sure Barcelona fans are thrilled that he deprived them of more European titles in exchange for being the standout player!
The only hard games are CL away games in the knockout stage apparently.
I find the logic of downplaying Ronaldo to boost Messi so strange.
Imagine if they were students instead of football players. They take a test. Messi scores 99/100, Ronaldo scores 85/100.
The normal thing to do is to say "Messi's 14 extra points show he is the better player."
Instead some people here go "actually, Ronaldo can't read or write. He has had 5 debilitating brain injuries. You can get an 85 on this test even if your brain is made out of cottage cheese. But getting a 99 is great, though."
Imagine if they were students instead of football players. They take a test. Messi scores 99/100, Ronaldo scores 85/100.
The normal thing to do is to say "Messi's 14 extra points show he is the better player."
Instead some people here go "actually, Ronaldo can't read or write. He has had 5 debilitating brain injuries. You can get an 85 on this test even if your brain is made out of cottage cheese. But getting a 99 is great, though."
It was never about winning the World Cup with some for Messi.
It was about his performance levels at the World Cup.
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To be fair, there's people in here downplaying Messi at the WC to prop up Ronaldo.
It goes both ways.
Honestly, using your analogy, if Ronaldo’s acolytes could admit that Ronaldo is going to Berkeley while Messi is going to Stanford, it would be aite.
How when Ronaldo is older anyway?
Wonder how he is looked at post the Barcelona Referee payment findings
Why would it take anything away from him? It's still him, who did all those things with the ball.
He is just a footballer, he has no say in paying referees.
And btw Ronaldo played for Real Madrid who ironically also benefited from refeere 'mistakes' in the UCL many times even against the likes of Bayern Munich and Juventus, not just small clubs
Referees where the ones giving him the freedom to dribble past players, doing amazing goals and creating plenty of chances for his teammates. It was like cocaine for Maradona.
That's what you are saying? Right?
Why would it make any difference to anyone with a modicum of sense?
It’s less on him than Barca and much more going to affect Pep’s legacy. If you think Pep’s two CL wins both came with 2 ridiculous referee performances (Chelsea and Arsenal knock out games) if they can link Ovrebo and Busacca for me it decimates what he’s achieved.
As a player Messi is somewhat safe, you can’t ignore the quality you see from him on the pitch and it would only matter if you’re a stat caveman that 2 CL wins becoming a bit dubious affected your impression of him.
It's not like you couldn't see Pep's quality on the pitch.
On a sidenote, so far I thought it only affected the Spanish referee association? Are there any hints it could span international football as well?
Tbh many CL titles/victories had huge referee mistakes.
United disallowed goal against Mourinho's Porto in 2004 is one of them for example, you can add the Real's offside goal against Juventus in 1998 final too.
Even the non-winner teams can have massive favorable decisions in a game , i remember the red card Zlatan got against Chelsea in the very first minutes of a CL game, it was ridiculous, when the foul he committed didn't even deserve a yellow...but Chelsea didn't win the UCL that season after knocking out 10 men PSG, so nobody cared.
PSG knocked us out that season. A late David Luiz header equalized at Stamford Bridge.
This is not going to affect Messi or Pep's legacies. They are both quite obviously extremely good and talented. C'mon now.
Yes but they’re 100% of Pep’s CL wins. Something exacerbated by Bayern/City spending massively on him to deliver another so far without success and then Bayern winning one before and after he was there.
I would assume it spans European football because UEFA is corrupt as sin but I don’t know if there’s any credible link but being honest I don’t know how to find the info on the FIFA ref committee. They have linked Negreira with the Spain Euro 08 team so it’s not solely domestic.
It won't affect Pep's legacy either. Why does everyone ignore the fact that Overebo sent off a Barca player in that Chelsea game? Make it make sense y'all.
For anyone with a pair of eyes. It shouldnt. In the great trophy game it will though if Barca are stripped of their trophies.
Messi allegedly going to be offered a contract worth €220 / £193m per season by an unnamed Saudi club. Does this beat the Ronaldo offer? 
If you look at the number of red crads and penalties for and against Barcelona between 2003 and 2008 you will notice that it's in line with the numbers of other Spanish clubs. Don't get me wrong what happened with Negreira is definitely shady but i dont think it allowed Barça to gain an unfair advantage on the pitch. A lot of important decisions went against us like against Atletico in 2014 and Betis in 2017 which cost us titles, other decisions were in our favor which is the same thing that happens for any other team.
Stats for Pens and red cards in Laliga between 2003 and 2018
Stats for Pens and red cards in Laliga between 2003 and 2018
MUNDO DEPORTIVE:
An important sector of PSG Ultras are preparing to blame Messi for the elimination in the Champions League: "We will whistle at him. He charges too much in relation to what he offers on the pitch".
Al Khelaifi's entourage claims to be unaware of the Ultras' intention to whistle Messi.
"I can't elaborate on more details of what we have prepared", a PSG ultras member said.
An important sector of PSG Ultras are preparing to blame Messi for the elimination in the Champions League: "We will whistle at him. He charges too much in relation to what he offers on the pitch".
Al Khelaifi's entourage claims to be unaware of the Ultras' intention to whistle Messi.
"I can't elaborate on more details of what we have prepared", a PSG ultras member said.
According to that link Barcelona's "card balance" is almost twice as high as the next team on the list, that's not really "in line."
Yeah its Panama and a friendly, but 800 goals is a nice milestone.
I think there’s no money in the world that can compare to this.
Money can certainly buy happiness, but it cant buy anything quite like this. Spectacular stuff
He has embarked on an awesome farewell tour with Argentina with the aim of playing Copa America in 2024.
For that he will want to stay in Europa and play football at a high/competitive level.
What he needs to do is to go home to Barcelona and finish out his club career there.
For that he will want to stay in Europa and play football at a high/competitive level.
What he needs to do is to go home to Barcelona and finish out his club career there.
Is the Saudí League boosting the Ronaldo fans comeback to this thread, seriously???
Is the Saudí League boosting the Ronaldo fans comeback to this thread, seriously???
What makes you say that?
According to Aguero, there is a 50% chance of him returning. Sources close to him also confirm his desire to return and end his european career at Barca. That's why he still didn't extend with PSG. But first, things need to happen:
1. Laporta and Messi need to meet and resolve all issues. Messi's departure was a bad one, after Laporta promised throughout his whole campaign to keep Messi. Messi believed him, until Laporta dropped that bomb and everything was over. Messi couldn't look him in the eyes afterwards during the farewell ceremony. (But that is probably the easiest one.)
2. LaLiga needs to allow this signing. Tebas went to war against Barca because of his own ego. He needs to put his own interest behind LaLiga's, because Messi's return would mean a huge international interest for them. Laporta and Alemany do everything they can to reduce the wage bill without weakening the team, but most of Bartomeu's contracts run at least until 2024. So there is only so much Barca's board can do in the next window without selling key players and give up sporting ambitions.
3. Messi needs to accept Barca's new wage limit, as every new player does. That means around half or even less of what he is currently earning at PSG.
Sadly I think it's unlikely to happen because of the financial situation + the Negreira case. Terrible timing to try and get Messi back.
Well, I heard one of these days Messi will meet with some argentinian league directives who will try to convince him to come back to Argentina.
I hope it never happens.
I hope it never happens.
Probably not, but i think his eying semi retirement very soon, by that i mean the mls or South Africa or whatever.
He'd be smart to retire on a high this season.
He will go to the MLS for sure. Said a couple times he likes it in there. He could create his own franchise ala Beckham.
I just dont know why some are desperate for him to keep going untillnhe's completely finished. He's declined very visibly(yes i know he's favourite for the next Ballon D'or). I just dont think its all that exciting to watch him anymore and i think Barca would be smart not to bring him back. I think Messi knows that if he wants to retire on a high it should be very soon, but i think its difficult to quit when everyone is begging you to never retire.
He's decliend on a physical level, yes. On the other hand, he is probably the most intelligent player there has ever been in football. If he gets a team that would run for him (like Argentina at the WC) and let him participate only in the offensive part he can be a hell of a playmaker and assiter for the strikers. He can play by walking. He sees things other players don't see, like the assist he made vs The Netherlands. If that's not exciting to watch, I don't know what it is. On top of that, he is still capable to score goals and keep the ball safe. I would certainly bring him to Manchester United to organize the team, letting the rest to do the hard work.
The problem comes when he plays with guys who won't run like Mbappe or Neymar. The balance is gone when it happens.