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[jm99]

I love this guy jm99, man. I’m hella faded right now and he’s just hilarious, bro.

I don't know what's hilarious about thinking club football is better than international football, it seemed to be basically accepted as fact prior to this world cup. Most people I know hate the mid season international breaks and think club football is a lot better, and the CL is a much higher standard than the WC. I think you'd have to go back to the 90s for that to not be the case

 

[Gazza]

I don't know what's hilarious about thinking club football is better than international football, it seemed to be basically accepted as fact prior to this world cup. Most people I know hate the mid season international breaks and think club football is a lot better, and the CL is a much higher standard than the WC. I think you'd have to go back to the 90s for that to not be the case

“most people I know I hate the mid season international breaks”

you take your point of view on these matters too seriously imo, it’s okay to just say you personally don’t like Messi, no one’s about to judge you for it matey

 

[jm99]

“most people I know I hate the mid season international breaks”

you take your point of view on these matters too seriously imo, it’s okay to just say you personally don’t like Messi, no one’s about to judge you for it matey

Obviously I mean on forums like this, I'm not going around talking about international breaks with people. But seriously is anyone looking forward to the end of march when we stop being able to watch club football for a few weeks but get to watch some international friendlies, I've always seen them as a mid season nuisance, and that certainly seems to be the prevailing opinion online. It's strange that you'd laugh at these opinions, I think on here, looking forward to the international breaks would be very much in the minority.

 

[Gazza]

Obviously I mean on forums like this, I'm not going around talking about international breaks with people. But seriously is anyone looking forward to the end of march when we stop being able to watch club football for a few weeks but get to watch some international friendlies, I've always seen them as a mid season nuisance, and that certainly seems to be the prevailing opinion online. It's strange that you'd laugh at these opinions, I think on here, looking forward to the international breaks would be very much in the minority.

I’m laughing because you just come across as a strange fellow based on your opinions about Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. I don’t think you need to engage with me about it unless you feel bored, because nothing will convince me that you’re not a myopic Ronaldo acolyte who will find any way to discredit Messi. And it’s hilarious! Because everyone - literally everyone with two eyes and a brain - can see who the better player is. Like I say, in the words of Winston Churchill: I’m faded as feck right now, but in the morning I’ll be sober and you’ll still be a Ronaldo acolyte.

Hugs!

 

[jm99]

I’m laughing because you just come across as a strange fellow based on your opinions about Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. I don’t think you need to engage with me about it unless you feel bored, because nothing will convince me that you’re not a myopic Ronaldo acolyte who will find any way to discredit Messi. And it’s hilarious! Because everyone - literally everyone with two eyes and a brain - can see who the better player is. Like I say, in the words of Winston Churchill: I’m faded as feck right now, but in the morning I’ll be sober and you’ll still be a Ronaldo acolyte.

Hugs!

I haven't mentioned Ronaldo tonight apart from a reply to the other guy who brought him up. I was talking about not rating international football as highly as the CL, and Andrade brought up Ronaldo.

 

[VP]

I feel these Ronaldo rats are one post away from telling us that the Saudi league is better than the French one. I suppose fair play to them for sticking at it when it would've probably just been easier to quit (like that Sporting chap).

 

[Gazza]

I haven't mentioned Ronaldo tonight apart from a reply to the other guy who brought him up. I was talking about not rating international football as highly as the CL, and Andrade brought up Ronaldo.

I know you haven’t mentioned Ronaldo tonight, but you can’t just divorce yourself from your posting history, so….

 

[jm99]

I know you haven’t mentioned Ronaldo tonight, but you can’t just divorce yourself from your posting history, so….

Well whatever my posting history, answering any criticism of international football with "your favourite players didn't score many goals" (even though he's the top international goalscorer ever, but who gives a feck, why do they include friendlies in your total international goalscoring when they don't for club level). I've thought it was a lower level of football for a long time, not just in response to this world cup, maybe I'm biased because I'm Scottish and we don't tend to do much in international tournaments, but even last year at the euros when we qualified I didn't really care that much.

I'd imagine if you polled most people on this forum (not just the fanboys in this thread) club football being a higher level would be a popular opinion, because it just is, clubs spend hundreds of millions putting their teams together, getting the best managers, it would take a serious failure for it not to he a higher level of football than one where you can't transfer, hardly get to train together and most managers are second rate

 

[Gazza]

you trippin, dude
It’s not that deep
Your boy is Ronaldo and you love him more than you love logic. No judgment here, bro.

 

[Gazza]

Well whatever my posting history, answering any criticism of international football with "your favourite players didn't score many goals" (even though he's the top international goalscorer ever, but who gives a feck, why do they include friendlies in your total international goalscoring when they don't for club level). I've thought it was a lower level of football for a long time, not just in response to this world cup, maybe I'm biased because I'm Scottish and we don't tend to do much in international tournaments, but even last year at the euros when we qualified I didn't really care that much.

I'd imagine if you polled most people on this forum (not just the fanboys in this thread) club football being a higher level would be a popular opinion, because it just is, clubs spend hundreds of millions putting their teams together, getting the best managers, it would take a serious failure for it not to he a higher level of football than one where you can't transfer, hardly get to train together and most managers are second rate

Woah shit I just realized you used the word “fanboys” in reference to someone who is not you, whoaly shit

redcafe I heart you

 

[jm99]

you trippin, dude
It’s not that deep
Your boy is Ronaldo and you love him more than you love logic. No judgment here, bro.

You really are drunk

Logic would suggest that the level of football that spends literally billions spends 3/4 of the year training together and has the best managers is going to be a higher level than one with no transfers, a few weeks a year training together, and people like Southgate and Deschamps, who wouldnt get a job managing a tesco

 

[Member 109952]

As expected, it is his history in the last 6 or 7 years.

Got gifted a world cup with dubious penalties and an easy run where better teams went out (Brazil and England).

 

[Gazza]

You really are drunk

Logic would suggest that the level of football that spends literally billions spends 3/4 of the year training together and has the best managers is going to be a higher level than one with no transfers, a few weeks a year training together, and people like Southgate and Deschamps, who wouldnt get a job managing a tesco

doobed up to the max, I am, bro

 

[GinobiliTheGOAT]

The world Cup was not considered one of the best, the final was considered one of the best, and the innovation of the stoppage time was genuinely great, but it was largely an average world cup, with many of the tradional big teams underperforming and Morocco while impressive, were really boring.

Club football is still miles clear of international football

wrong on all accounts. The World Cup got tons of praise with the final being the cherry on top. People will-remember this World Cup far more than anything in CL this year. Club teams are declining

 

[FrankFoot]

You really are drunk

Logic would suggest that the level of football that spends literally billions spends 3/4 of the year training together and has the best managers is going to be a higher level than one with no transfers, a few weeks a year training together, and people like Southgate and Deschamps, who wouldnt get a job managing a tesco

Deschamps already managed Monaco,Juventus and Marseille, he was a decent manager at club level unlike Southgate.

He can get another decent job after leaving France, Southgate mostly won't.

 

[Slevs]

I don't really see what's hilarious about laughing at a guy saying club football is harder than international football, at least if you take club football at CL level clubs.
They are very different levels.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

The Champions League knockouts have been fairly shite so far, if some of the games were international football we’d never hear the end of it. PSG spent a billion euro to look less cohesive than some international teams did in a few weeks together.

 

[Mb194dc]

He's been physically done for a while. Should be doing a retirement tour in the MLS or elsewhere like CR7 is.

Argentina were pretty much given the WC, an unheard of 5 penalties and Messi seemingly wasn't allowed to be booked or dispossessed without a foul being called... Even players from other teams (Fernandes, Pepe etc) called it out...

 

[amolbhatia50k]

He's been physically done for a while. Should be doing a retirement tour in the MLS or elsewhere like CR7 is.

Argentina were pretty much given the WC, an unheard of 5 penalties and Messi seemingly wasn't allowed to be booked or dispossessed without a foul being called... Even players from other teams (Fernandes, Pepe etc) called it out...

Another one found. How do we let them through the cracks ? (Second para not the first)

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I don't really see what's hilarious about laughing at a guy saying club football is harder than international football, at least if you take club football at CL level clubs.
They are very different levels.

If you read any 5 posts of his the hilarity will be obvious. I just read past them now given they’re usually an absolute mess of fanboy agenda posting and my brain doesn’t deserve the torture

 

[Slevs]

If you read any 5 posts of his the hilarity will be obvious. I just read past them now given they’re usually an absolute mess of fanboy agenda posting and my brain doesn’t deserve the torture

Ah no I didn't. Just read the ridicule saying international football > club football and was surprised.

 

[Real Name]

He's been physically done for a while. Should be doing a retirement tour in the MLS or elsewhere like CR7 is.

Argentina were pretty much given the WC, an unheard of 5 penalties and Messi seemingly wasn't allowed to be booked or dispossessed without a foul being called... Even players from other teams (Fernandes, Pepe etc) called it out...

Sure mate.
Sure.

 

[YikesSchmeics]

As expected, it is his history in the last 6 or 7 years.

Got gifted a world cup with dubious penalties and an easy run where better teams went out (Brazil and England).

You overplayed your hand with the brackets.

 

[Real Name]

As expected, it is his history in the last 6 or 7 years.

Got gifted a world cup with dubious penalties and an easy run where better teams went out (Brazil and England).

Who gifted them an easy run?

 

[fergiewherearethou]

The Champions League knockouts have been fairly shite so far, if some of the games were international football we’d never hear the end of it. PSG spent a billion euro to look less cohesive than some international teams did in a few weeks together.

I agree, only Livepool - Real was a good CL quarter final, the rest were mostly garbage.

 

[Gehrman]

Ok you are right. But still think it was too young for him ...

The average retirement age for footballers is 35. He was 34 when he arrived.

 

[Gehrman]

He didnt see much of the ball but obviously could have done better. For anyone who watched the game, this loss is on Verrati feck ups if we have single out playes. The tactics going forward was lump it to Mpabbe as well.

Bayern looked very well drilled after a shaky start.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

As expected, it is his history in the last 6 or 7 years.

Got gifted a world cup with dubious penalties and an easy run where better teams went out (Brazil and England).

Better teams like England went out… to France? Who lost to Argentina. What makes you think England could have beaten Argentina?

As for Brazil, who couldn’t beat Croatia, who were comfortably beaten by Argentina. If only those two teams had played in a competitive game previously to reference. Oh wait, they did, Argentina beat Brazil in the Copa America final the previous year.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

I don't really see what's hilarious about laughing at a guy saying club football is harder than international football, at least if you take club football at CL level clubs.
They are very different levels.

Yeah. It's seems weird because people opposing to that view are just using Ronaldo as a response - "your guy was shite internationally so that's why you dont rate it" instead of making arguments against what was actually posted.

 

[Pickle85]

My brain was liquefied by the poster that seemed intent on using 'bro' and 'dude' as many times as possible in each message, while shouting about how 'doobed up' they are. Like getting stoned is SUPER awesome and, like, hella sweet bro.

 

[BalanceUnAutreJoint]

Exactly right. Which is why Ronaldo can score goals in the CL but can't score goals in the World Cup. Because the CL is more elite. Makes perfect sense.

Acting like Ronaldo didn't score a hat trick against a Spain team that actually had world class players at the back.

I’d argue club football is in a very dire state right now. There isn’t a single club team right that seems like they’d be remembered beyond this season. A healthy France squad has more depth than any club team. I do agree club football is usually of a higher quality than international, but the gap this past year isn’t as big as it used to be.

France 2022 would be hard pressed to win a game vs the likes of Tottenham and Betis.
Bayern hammers them 5-0.
The most dominant NT of the 21st century was basically a far worse version of that 08-12 Barca team.

 

[Gehrman]

Acting like Ronaldo didn't score a hat trick against a Spain team that actually had world class players at the back

A penalty, a shot straigt at De Gea where De Gea had a howler. A world class free kick goal though.

 

[Lay]

You guys downplay everything

 

[Gehrman]

You guys downplay everything

I did say his free kick was world class.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Yeah. It's seems weird because people opposing to that view are just using Ronaldo as a response - "your guy was shite internationally so that's why you dont rate it" instead of making arguments against what was actually posted.

Not really. The argument is obvious and has been repeated umpteen number of times in this thread. But when it’s clear that the discourse was never intended to be a grown up one, eventually it will cascade into drivel.

To sum it up,

• The World Cup is by far the most important competition and trophy in the sport. This is less an opinion of any individual but simply the weightage given to it by fans, players, media etc As a result the World Cup similarly gets more weightage in public discourse, awards and what have you. This is basic knowledge and needlessly debating it serves no purpose other than a waste of energy imo.
• Club football whether that be the Premier League, Champions Legaue or peak La Liga (which for me was the best league around for a good decade), has teams playing at a higher level of cohesion - due to players training together all year - and greater concentration of quality (or super teams) - due to the ability to buy and sell. It also has the better coaches as they prefer to have an all year round job.
• Does that means it’s a higher level? Quality wise yes. Importance wise? No. Does that mean it’s easier? That’s the key thing that’s been debated ardeously and the answer is that it depends. If your international team is better than your club team then international football is easier for you and visa versa. So Ronaldo who plays for Portugal who were often not the best and Messi who plays for Argentina who were often badly run, international football is a much much bigger challenge than the super teams they’ve always played for. For Mbappe the case is very difference as he player for the best international team on the planet since he was a teen. For Haaland it’s the complete opposite and club football is laughably easy compared to international football. That’s what people have been saying but I suppose some are here for fanboy discourse and dragging the forums level down to their own.

 

[giorno]

I hope he goes back to the cnuts. He'd make them worse and create so many problems for them

For him on a sporting level the best thing would be to move to Argentina, maybe try and win a libertadores. Otherwise, follow the money. His body just doesn't have it for a full season in top european football anymore - any top european club he'd go to would be the same story or worse than at PSG. Aside from Barcelona's posturing, i don't see another top european club being interested either.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Not really. The argument is obvious and has been repeated umpteen number of times in this thread. But when it’s clear that the discourse was never intended to be a grown up one, eventually it will cascade into drivel.

To sum it up,

• The World Cup is by far the most important competition and trophy in the sport. This is less an opinion of any individual but simply the weightage given to it by fans, players, media etc As a result the World Cup similarly gets more weightage in public discourse, awards and what have you. This is basic knowledge and needlessly debating it serves no purpose other than a waste of energy imo.
• Club football whether that be the Premier League, Champions Legaue or peak La Liga (which for me was the best league around for a good decade), has teams playing at a higher level of cohesion - due to players training together all year - and greater concentration of quality (or super teams) - due to the ability to buy and sell. It also has the better coaches as they prefer to have an all year round job.
• Does that means it’s a higher level? Quality wise yes. Importance wise? No. Does that mean it’s easier? That’s the key thing that’s been debated ardeously and the answer is that it depends. If your international team is better than your club team then international football is easier for you and visa versa. So Ronaldo who plays for Portugal who were often not the best and Messi who plays for Argentina who were often badly run, international football is a much much bigger challenge than the super teams they’ve always played for. For Mbappe the case is very difference as he player for the best international team on the planet since he was a teen. For Haaland it’s the complete opposite and club football is laughably easy compared to international football. That’s what people have been saying but I suppose some are here for fanboy discourse and dragging the forums level down to their own.

I'm not arguing which is better nor I am interested in doing so, my comment was more on the responses mainly attacking the poster for having a preference for a certain player and then going on to use that as the basis for rebuffing any of their arguments.

I might have mistakenly posted "people" but it was more to do with that interaction between two certain posters.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I'm not arguing which is better nor I am interested in doing so, my comment was more on the responses mainly attacking the poster for having a preference for a certain player and then going on to use that as the basis for rebuffing any of their arguments.

I might have mistakenly posted "people" but it was more to do with that interaction between two certain posters.

Although it’s not promoted, posters usually get attacked not for having a preference for a player but how that preference clouds their arguments and lowers the level of the discourse. I’ll admit I haven’t paid attention to recent posts as the thread went to pieces ever since that award upset one particular poster.

 

[Andrade]

Acting like Ronaldo didn't score a hat trick against a Spain team that actually had world class players at the back.


France 2022 would be hard pressed to win a game vs the likes of Tottenham and Betis.
Bayern hammers them 5-0.
The most dominant NT of the 21st century was basically a far worse version of that 08-12 Barca team.

Complete nonsense in both cases. First of all, you've referenced ONE group stage game, which included a penalty (the new bete noire of Ronaldo fans, ironic), a De Gea howler and one good goal. Overall, he's never scored a goal or registered an assist in the knockout rounds of the World Cup (arguably the worst ever World Cup player who otherwise belongs in the pantheon) and has a ratio in the competition overall of 0.3. The World Cup is clearly too high a level for him.

Secondly, the Spain of 10-12 years ago was not a 'far worse' version of Barca seeing as they combined top elements of Barca and Real Madrid at the time, with many other quality players thrown in (Silva, Fabregas, Torres etc.). Yes the lack of Messi in the Barca contingent was a big hole (not that you'd ever admit it) but overall it was probably a stronger squad than Barca's.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

The most dominant NT of the 21st century was basically a far worse version of that 08-12 Barca team.

‘Far worse’ they had Casillas, Sergio Ramos, Xabi Alonso, David Silva, had Fabregas and Villa before they joined Barca, they had peak Fernando Torres. Was a seriously stacked team that would have won at club level in that era too.

Not really. The argument is obvious and has been repeated umpteen number of times in this thread. But when it’s clear that the discourse was never intended to be a grown up one, eventually it will cascade into drivel.

To sum it up,

• The World Cup is by far the most important competition and trophy in the sport. This is less an opinion of any individual but simply the weightage given to it by fans, players, media etc As a result the World Cup similarly gets more weightage in public discourse, awards and what have you. This is basic knowledge and needlessly debating it serves no purpose other than a waste of energy imo.
• Club football whether that be the Premier League, Champions Legaue or peak La Liga (which for me was the best league around for a good decade), has teams playing at a higher level of cohesion - due to players training together all year - and greater concentration of quality (or super teams) - due to the ability to buy and sell. It also has the better coaches as they prefer to have an all year round job.
• Does that means it’s a higher level? Quality wise yes. Importance wise? No. Does that mean it’s easier? That’s the key thing that’s been debated ardeously and the answer is that it depends. If your international team is better than your club team then international football is easier for you and visa versa. So Ronaldo who plays for Portugal who were often not the best and Messi who plays for Argentina who were often badly run, international football is a much much bigger challenge than the super teams they’ve always played for. For Mbappe the case is very difference as he player for the best international team on the planet since he was a teen. For Haaland it’s the complete opposite and club football is laughably easy compared to international football. That’s what people have been saying but I suppose some are here for fanboy discourse and dragging the forums level down to their own.

Well said. International football is far harder than club football because players can’t rely on systems. Individuals stand up and be counted. That’s why Messi had a question mark on his CV until he won the Copa America and World Cup in the past few years. Messi would also probably say it’s easier to win the Champions League than the World Cup, after all he’s won 4 of them.

In fact Paolo Maldini is the only non-Real Madrid player to have more CL victories than Messi.