The one against the Dutch was special too but he somehow managed to eclipse that with tonight's wizardry.
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The one against the Dutch was special too but he somehow managed to eclipse that with tonight's wizardry.
Scoring with his hand is what made Maradona the greatest ever.
Messi winning this World Cup will settle the GOAT debate for good, and it'll be best for everyone. Hopefully he pulls it out.
That will go down well with Madrid fans.
Do Real Madrid fans really care about the Ronaldo/Messi debate? I'd imagine they stopped caring the day Ronaldo left their club.
Real Madrid signed him.
More about one of your club's mainstays calling a Barca player the greatest ever.
Surely the Brazil - Argentina rivalry?
Damn!
A wise post right here.
Well said.
There's no need to diminish others to prop up Messi.
I have him and Maradona neck and neck(might lean Messi after this WC), but Pele to me still has the best argument for GOAT.
At least the debate is Messi v Pele/Maradona now. A frankly more entertaining and worthwhile debate. For me he was always third in line until he wins a World Cup but two finals in addition to a magnificent club career probably puts him top of the pile… if he wins on weekend, cements him as numero uno. This Argentina side is nowhere near as good as Pele sides… it would be a magnificent achievement.
I'm not a PSG fan. Why would you say such a thing? I'm a United fan.
Don't you think his performances in the WC were more important than him winning it? Team sport after all.
Pele's got two WC titles 12 years apart playing a key role in both and a magnificent club career too. It's an interesting argument between the two.
PSG are terrible. They give up so many chances. Doesn't help to have 3 lazy forwards. And when they play together, there is too much overlap. For a team with Messi, Neymar, Mbappe they really are shit.
Wtf is going on here.
amol made a sachin-maradona comparison somewhere, that's what gave me the idea
In my opinion Messi is the greatest ever.
His sheer volume of records is unmatched.
His goalscoring and assist numbers are unmatched (or atleast nobody has both, some compare on one or the other).
But crucially His longevity is unmatched.
He has been the best or top 3 best players in the world for well over a decade.
At his age now Maradona had been done at the elite level for years and Pele was in the MLS.
His numbers are practically unmatched but it's his longevity that gives him the edge.
His sheer volume of records is unmatched.
His goalscoring and assist numbers are unmatched (or atleast nobody has both, some compare on one or the other).
But crucially His longevity is unmatched.
He has been the best or top 3 best players in the world for well over a decade.
At his age now Maradona had been done at the elite level for years and Pele was in the MLS.
His numbers are practically unmatched but it's his longevity that gives him the edge.
Yeah. If Argentina win it this year it will be undisputed imo. People will look back on this tournament for the rest of time as the one that made Messi the goat.
Even if he does nothing in the final
same audio as the video “Messi,nou camp” on YouTube(if u search “Messi chant” it will come up).
weird someone would fake such a video
Messi is a genius, we are lucky to witness his greatness. To be so good at 35 years of age is unbelievable. His consistency of brilliance over his career puts him in top 3 players of all time and a great shout for the best. I would like to see him crown his career with the World Cup now but even if he doesn't his place is secured.
Might be that I'm just not remembering well but this WC performance has been miles above Messi's performance last time Argentina made it to the final. Very impressive considering he's that much older now.
It feels like the Cops America win has broken the spell on him in international tourneys
It feels like the Cops America win has broken the spell on him in international tourneys
I can imagine Ronaldo throwing a hissy fit if Messi wins the World Cup
The WhatsApp chat will be flying to get Rio, Evra and Bruno and the boys to discredit the victory.
"Fifa wanted them to win it! Look at that penalty call! Corruption!"
If Messi wins it, it will be between Pele and Messi for the number 1 spot. Currently he is second and maradona 3rd for me. I personally think that Beckenbaur should also make this table of 4 (Tier S). The rest including CR7 and Cryuff belongs to the next tier
How many 90 minute games did you watch Pele play to form that opinion? Because you must have watched an absolute shit load of Messi games. Good and (occasionally) bad. Not just a highlight reel, which is basically all that exists for Pele.
I find it really strange the way anyone can be certain that someone like Maradonna or Pele is definitely better than Messi when they’re working off such scanty evidence.
Plenty of full games of both, I find the people who put effort in to watch thier games really appreciate the full extent of their game/skills .
Plenty of books, articles and documentaries around to get a feel of the context too which makes a big difference on how you see these older players. Especially Maradona who's back story is particularly unique .
Oh, come on, stop talking about Messi losing two games, it would be Argentina who’d lose two games. Argentina! 10 players other than Messi, maybe 15 at the end of match considering subs. Are you aware that one man isn’t even 10% of the team? One player out of 16 means 6.25%. Does that look like an outstanding percentage? What if Messi scores 2 goals and Martinez channels his inner Karius? Would it be Messi’s fault for losing? Was it Messi’s fault for Higuain missing that chance? Is Messi responsible for clean sheets? There’s only so much one player can influence and Messi has done it countless times over 17 years, no player comes even close to that. Anything else is nitpicking.
Doesn't it work the other way though equally (moreso with Pele) where how can you certain than Messi is better than Pele, for example, because you haven't seen enough of Pele to know? Some of Pele's best games apparently, including his best goal according to reports, aren't even on film.
Better give it up. The poster you quoted will always find an argument against Messi and will try to disguise it as legit criticism. This is leading nowhere. He'll either understand it by himself in a few years when it is probably to late to fully enjoy the occasion or he'll never will.
Yes, I think so as well. Even if you saw them play and your memories don't fool you because you maybe rewatched the games recently.. there are far too many variables to be considered to draw any real conclusion. It's by no means a leveled playing field. Some who thrived under the harsher conditions of the past might not be fit for the highly professional and systematic football landscape they'd find these days. It's always about context and when it differs so much, there's really no point in comparing. I mean, we've already seen how hard it is to compare two players of the same era because they play in different teams or positions. Between two different eras, you could probably bring up endless arguments for and against each player. The difference in quality has to be really clear to draw a conclusion and I struggle to see how this is the case for any of those who are in contention.
What's with that guy's attitude, there are contemporary reports from players of the time of that goal including a photo and newspaper report.
Nowhere near the amount of full games as Messi's, but there is a website with full games of old players. It doesn't necessarily have their greatest games. The argument you present can go both ways in my opinion.
Also, I never said definitely better to be fair. I think all 3 are very close.
He's called the greatest already. The final is about strengthening that claim. Actually scratch that the final is about, and people forget this, winning the darn world cup for Argentina.
If somebody's reasoning for Messi not being the GOAT is that "Too often in recent years Messi hasn't shown up at the big knockout moments" while simultaneously ignoring the fact he's scored against Mexico (practically a knock out considering the opening result ) , Australia, Netherlands (+ a worldy assist) and tonight vs Croatia (+ another worldy assist) in the past 3 weeks then you just have to take a step back and allow them to continue their weirdo agenda.