Gyökeres won't be a flop. He'll be there with Haaland and Isak as the best striker in the league.
Liam Delap | £30m release clause?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Ashwin @AR87 are here to discuss two "on-paper" not great results for United over the last week, but are there positive signs of progress despite what the ex-United pundits are saying?
They also preview the big game Europa League game against Lyon.
You do not know that. There is no evidence to suggest that...
Darwin Nunez was scoring 25+ league goals in Portugal.
Also... you were the one also saying Bring Nunez... So, I dont know how you can say he wont be a flop... the last striker you suggested we bring from Portugal is a flop.
"I honestly think he is the best option for us."
Flattered you took the time to research me. I stand by what I said. I was nowhere near as sold on Nunez as I am Gyökeres, but I genuinely believed he was the best available, realistic striker we could sign that summer. I still believe that he probably was, regardless of how he's performed. Clearly Liverpool agreed.
It doesn't take long when you know someone who does the same things over and over again...
Nowhere near sold but posts saying we need him.. go get him etc...
So its clear.. he was overrated and overpriced....
Its not something we can do this summer, go sign a 85m striker who could flop. A player at 27 never played in the top 5 leagues
I stand by what I said though. I believed that he was the best available option at the time. Just like I believe Gyökeres and Osimhen are now. I'm not being hypocritical.
I wasn't suggesting that we sign Gyökeres. The reason for that is because it doesn't look a realistic prospect. I'd very much like us to though. He's an excellent striker.
Fair enough...
The only way we sign Gyokeres imo is if we manage to sell Casemiro, Rashford, Antony, Sancho at least.
Alot of our budget this summer will come from sales and honestly, with Arsenal, Liverpool all looking for a striker, we will probably lose out.
Oshimen is not a striker I want this summer..
Someone like a Delap for 35m would not be a bad buy.
It's Osimhen or Gyökeres for me. However, I don't believe we will succeed in signing either. We'll be left with Delap or Mateta. Even those deals have their complications. There seems to be multiple clubs interested in Delap, whilst I think Palace will demand a price for Mateta that is far above our valuation. The issue is that after those four, where do we go? £80m for Ekitike? £80m for Sesko? Far too much of a punt, I'd have thought.
The point was to highlight fees in the striker market outside of release clauses (Haaland)
If you believe Gyokeres is a flop thats a difference conversation
I do not and I think Delap is more likey to be a flop
Wonder if Utd would seek an opinion from Kieran Mckenna on Delap's potential and whether he is Utd material in long term?
He's gonna lose him at end of season, maybe he will advise delap to go to Utd or maybe not.
He's gonna lose him at end of season, maybe he will advise delap to go to Utd or maybe not.
No guarentee he will translate his form to PL.
How much of his goal scoring was down to the system he played in under amorim?
Thats the biggest question and risk over Gyokeres. Playing for Sporting is one thing, playing against PL sides who play a low block and goal chances are few and far between is another.
Schevchenko, Werner, Forlan, Kezman, Morientes, Boksic, Falcao, Jardel, Rebrov, Mutu, Soldado, Huguian etc. PL is littered with strikers who have flopped.
Going into the right system, coping with the speed, the increased physicality and pace of the game, can be too much for some.
I'm confident he will. He's performed in England previously and has played well in Europe generally. Noticeably, against Manchester City this season. Although he's suited to playing against high lines due to his pace and dribbling ability, he's an all round excellent finisher and has that knack of being in the right place at the right time. I'd argue that many of those strikers you named had specific issues that Gyökeres doesn't (mainly age/injury/simply not as good as advertised etc).
Gyökeres is at the peak of his powers. He's quick and physical. Whilst no transfer is guaranteed to be a success, he's well worth a shot, in my view.
I see that many are slightly negative to the profile of Delap as he's young and only proven for a season in the PL, saying Hojlund should have an older expercienced striker to learn from. IMO however, I like the idea of two younger striker fighting it out and competing for the starting nr.9 spot. And unlike this season, signing Delap, will provide us with two actual strikers instead of just one (I see Zirkzee as best as a 10 in Amorims system). Hopefully the competition will force/help them both to develop into the strikers we need. Next season will be sink or swim for Hojlund anyways, and the competition provided by signing Delap should be beneficial for him if he wants to succeed at United in the long term.
Based on where we are as a club right now, I think this is the natural and correct way to go about it to get back to the top.
I think Delap is a good player and a very exciting prospect. I also like the fact that Delap has experience from the PL, a couple of seasons in the Championship, plus a background from another top club (corrupt nonetheless).
Based on where we are as a club right now, I think this is the natural and correct way to go about it to get back to the top.
I think Delap is a good player and a very exciting prospect. I also like the fact that Delap has experience from the PL, a couple of seasons in the Championship, plus a background from another top club (corrupt nonetheless).
Relegation bound but setting out conditions?
He has lots of options. Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool are all rumoured to be interested.
Apparently he's not good enough for us though!
I honestly think Zlatan is considered a success not because of his league contribution (that league campaign was forgettable, we finished 6th and tossed it off towards the end) but because of his aura rubbing off on the rest of the squad, the fact he was free, and the fact we won the Europa league. He basically dragged us through some of those ties. Also, 28 goals in all comps is still damn good, especially for a 35 year old.
They can afford to gamble on another inexperienced young striker unlike United
If he’s got Chelsea and arsenal after him then why not?
I have watched a lot of him, both for Sporting and also international games. He is EXACTLY the player United need. Guaranteed goals are not cheap but Gyökeres is absolutely worth the fee. My fingers are crossed that Ruben Amorim has told the club to buy him, nobody knows him as well as he does and that, together with the pulling power of the Manchester United name, will hopefully be enough to get this important transfer realised. European football next season will patently also help, so tomorrow night becomes the biggest game of the season, thus far.
For me, Gyökeres simply must be a United player, he is a fantastic striker with natural instincts and well developed ability for finishing and movement with an exemplary work rate. He trains like a beast and performs like one on the pitch. I would love to see him leading the line next season and for many more to follow.
Be an interesting summer if gyokeres, delap, osiheim, sesko all turn us down.
If we don't win the Europa league we will have no European football to offer. Never mind CL football.
We aren't going to overpay or compensate on wages anymore.
If we don't win the Europa league we will have no European football to offer. Never mind CL football.
We aren't going to overpay or compensate on wages anymore.
Well, there's the whole thing where we don't actually NEED to sign a striker. Particularly immediately, this summer. We need help in attack, but that can come from different positions. Liverpool doesn't have a particularly good striker, and they're about to win the league. Arsenal also doesn't, and they're in second.
Well run teams focus more on getting a good/great player at the right price than laser focusing on "I need to add at one particular position, right now!". We've done the latter quite often, and most times it ends in tears. We'd be far better off getting a good, young, skilled #10 for a bargain than overpaying for the flavor-of-the-month striker.
Including a knee injury ruling him out from March. He realistically would have scored 30 plus.
I'm pretty much on the same page. I've seen a lot less of him than you have, but based on what I have seen, I think he'll deliver. I get good vibes from him. He's quick, strong and can finish. As well as being a willing channel runner, he absolutely comes alive in the box. I'd probably prefer we go for him over Osimhen, but would be happy with either. Unfortunately, it appears that we aren't in the race for him.
We need both. We haven't got a Saka or a Salah, agreed. However, based on this season, we don't even have a Havertz, Jota, Diaz or Gakpo.
Not sure what use his aura was but regardless it's interesting how perception changes what we call a success.
If Delap gets to 15 in that team I think it's fair to say that's a better achievement than the 17 Zaltan got.
But it won't ever be regarded that way because of the names involved.
you are in a relegation team. Good we don't want you either.
Sad. Delap should probably go to a more successful club so we can make do with an alternative transfer from a minnowish league.....like Gyokeres.
A striker from a relegation team with 12 goals or rather a proven striker from a team that already won stuff and that is already on 40+ goals? Tough choice
£30m release clause if Ipswich go down apparently… no wonder we are very interested!
If it's true that the clause is £30m, whoever gets him is doing really well out of the deal.
It’s the sort of deal I could see Liverpool doing
I don't really get it with him to be honest but if Amorim sees there is something there then fine. But he's not someone I can imagine taking us up a level or 2 in that area of the pitch
We probably do as do other big clubs. For a good reason. He won't be staying at Ipswich so them being relegated is redundant.
Who? And with what money?
£30m release clause suggested
New
30 mill? Explains why we are chasing
For 30m it's almost a no brainer. Even if he flops he could still be sold on for 20-30m in a few years.
When did we manage to sell our deadwood for that much? Can only think of McT as a good transfer in recent years.
Romano piggy backing on it now as well
Yeah true. And 2 goals in the league cup final, forgot those
I think he did an underrated job at keeping the dressing room in line. Basically he was the one who ran through a brick wall for Jose and so the rest followed, just look at pogba. Zlatan departs before 18/19 gets underway and it all goes to shit.
I was already keen but if he's that cheap then I'd be pretty disappointed if we don't at least have a go at chatting him up.