Raiola cares only about his pockets. The more a player moves,more commission he gets. He got 25 million when we re signed Pogba....no wonder he s urging him to move again. Just business is business
Let's not buy Raiola players again - ever
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I hate that shitestain of an agent more than any other agent right now. I do understand Pogba wanting to leave, cause it doesn't look like we will win anything soon. But Raiola has always been like this with every one of his players and this won't change. Best case scenario is to not buy any of his players again. A lot of successful clubs have stayed away from him with little to no problem.
With our young squad and our recruitment policy to hire young talent, the last thing we need is him or his players ruining the dressing room atmosphere.
Edit: also let's not pretend like he cares about the club or the players he brings in to the club. All he cares about is money. If we offer the highest money as agent fees to him, you can bet he'll be praising us left and right.
With our young squad and our recruitment policy to hire young talent, the last thing we need is him or his players ruining the dressing room atmosphere.
Edit: also let's not pretend like he cares about the club or the players he brings in to the club. All he cares about is money. If we offer the highest money as agent fees to him, you can bet he'll be praising us left and right.
So maybe we did not agree to his demands for Haaland and he is feeling frustrated. The guy brings a lot of unwanted attention.
Raiola sucks. I am not sure we should get in fight with him, that could backfire since he represents a lot of talent, but yeah - we should avoid him when possible. And I think we are already doing it. Thankfully, Ole's plan targets the kind of players that hopefully will naturally steer us away from Raiola.
Stay away from this man
It’s all about him and He talks too much
It’s all about him and He talks too much
Fans can't do anything about how the club is run.
We would not ruin Messi, and Pogba is nothing like Messi. It's absolutely ridiculous. Feck Raiola seriously!
I am still struggling to believe that a-hole said such thing about United, but I see B/R also reporting it and they usually try to verify their sources https://bleacherreport.com/articles...a-man-united-would-ruin-pele-maradona-maldini
We cannot blacklist Raiola, he's currently more powerful than us, but we should not forget this crap, if he indeed said it.
Of course. He doesn't even care about his players. He is the kind of pig who will totally feck his players over if he can make more money. If I was a talented player, I would definitely not want Raiola as my agent.
I am still struggling to believe that a-hole said such thing about United, but I see B/R also reporting it and they usually try to verify their sources https://bleacherreport.com/articles...a-man-united-would-ruin-pele-maradona-maldini
We cannot blacklist Raiola, he's currently more powerful than us, but we should not forget this crap, if he indeed said it.
Of course. He doesn't even care about his players. He is the kind of pig who will totally feck his players over if he can make more money. If I was a talented player, I would definitely not want Raiola as my agent.
He isn’t worth all the hassle he brings with him. You can build a perfectly successful team and recruit top class players without him.
These are players, some which were not even signed, over the course of 25 years under Fergie. No doubt that we tried to sign some of these players, but its also clear that under Woodward the policy changed drastically to one where we were constantly trying to sign some of the superstars with their agents. In addition to this, those agents did not publically disclose information concerning the club like Raiola has done. The only agent that I remember of these that seemed to have this level of push was Tevez' agent ( Kai Jorbachian). The other players you listed are just star players.
You can make the case that Pogba is actually the real problem here and Raiola is just his spokesman, as no other agent on the list of stars that you have mentioned have come out this publicly. You cannot act like what has been going on with Mino has happened before at utd.
Sure we can. Multiple top clubs already do from my memory.
Do you know which clubs? That is interesting.
What I meant is - club should remain professional and shouldn't get in public feud with him, it could backfire. But yeah - totally makes sense to avoid him like the plague that he is.
My quick thoughts on Raiola, his clients and Man United.
I agree with the consensus that he is a worm, but also incredible at the job he does for his clients, which at the end of the day is to find them the best deals per their abilty. Normally, one would see not many problems with this and seems to have worked out for alot of his clients during their careers. But as of this moment in time, I think United targetting his players and coming into money negotiations is the worst combination going forward.
Raiola always pushes hard to get the best deals, United have been known to overpay for players, more so in recent seasons with us struggling competitive wise. Surely the mixture of signing players interested in money first and ourselves with a history of overpaying, can only lead to players becoming relaxed and content knowing they are set for the next 4/5 years. Yes, this is not always the case as seen with De Ligt starting to perform at Juve, but if he came to United, overpaid, would that same desire and drive still be their? I doubt, and this is why I completely agree with out new transfer policy as our squad has lacked hunger and desire for years.
Now, this does not only aim toward Raiola and his players, but to a large majority out their that see United as a cash cow instead of wanting to help turn the clubs fortunes around. I would rather trust in the youth and rebuild than go back to signings of Di Maria, Depay, Schweinsteiger, Falcao ect.
I agree with the consensus that he is a worm, but also incredible at the job he does for his clients, which at the end of the day is to find them the best deals per their abilty. Normally, one would see not many problems with this and seems to have worked out for alot of his clients during their careers. But as of this moment in time, I think United targetting his players and coming into money negotiations is the worst combination going forward.
Raiola always pushes hard to get the best deals, United have been known to overpay for players, more so in recent seasons with us struggling competitive wise. Surely the mixture of signing players interested in money first and ourselves with a history of overpaying, can only lead to players becoming relaxed and content knowing they are set for the next 4/5 years. Yes, this is not always the case as seen with De Ligt starting to perform at Juve, but if he came to United, overpaid, would that same desire and drive still be their? I doubt, and this is why I completely agree with out new transfer policy as our squad has lacked hunger and desire for years.
Now, this does not only aim toward Raiola and his players, but to a large majority out their that see United as a cash cow instead of wanting to help turn the clubs fortunes around. I would rather trust in the youth and rebuild than go back to signings of Di Maria, Depay, Schweinsteiger, Falcao ect.
Yes they can... the same energy that is felt for how we feel about Pogba and every manager we have sacked.. is the same energy we can have towards not allow low standards on how we are run.
Im a Man Utd supporter. If I was also a world class footballer, unless United actually wanted to sign me and keep me Id be off round the world too. Especially if I knew Id get a hefty sign on bonus each time I moved. Why the feck wouldnt ye? Are you annoyed because the player doesnt want to play for your club or because your jealous of the life they have for themselves. It could only be either of thise things. So grow the feck up ye child!
Utd are big enough to have enough pull to blacklist this guy. We aren't some small club that an agent can control who comes and who goes. It's very insulting if true. Its like any industry, if a star, even due to his agent, proves too difficult to deal with, you use other stars. Pogba gets more exposure with being with utd than utd get from having him. We can afford not to have any Raiola clients.
Of course they can. Just stop investing your money into the club. Tickets, merchandise, any income to the club, cut it off.
If my memory is correct, Barcelona haven't gone for a Raiola player since Zlatan. So that would be one of the biggest.
What now? Who are the star players we have signed then? List them, I bet there not as impressive as my list.
The policy didn't change we just stopped spending money for a large period and they played catch up with no actually philosophy. Do you really think if Fergie had the same money as our previous managers he wouldn't have signed Ribery instead of Valencia and Obertan?
Raiola doesn't have players that would interest them, he doesn't have a lot of clients.
I can stop doing that, but that won't change anything as there will be thousands of others ready to get tickets and watch games anyway, so it's a moot point. The only way I see some genuine change happening is if the club does so badly that most fans lose interest in football. It's either that or new owners with focus on football, which won't happen due to the price of the club.
I’m pretty sure that quote is made up, but it’ll go down as fact and reason to hate Pogba on here anyway.
They were interested in Verratti who changed his agent to Raiola in 2017. That said, buying from Psg isn't really possible unless they want to sell so it was hopeless from the beginning.
But the thing is, Real (3rd gk aside), Barca, Bayern, Pool, City & Chelsea are all top clubs who are doing fine without a Raiola client. So the idea that we can't afford to refuse to deal with him is just plain wrong.
pretty sure Verratti changed agents a year or two ago. Raiola wasn't his agent when he first moved to PSG. That is how i remember it. It was in that summer Barca had interest that Raiola became his agent, so they never had to deal with him in terms of signing a player
Indeed, and what is the point of it all? Any of his players who come in and perform well will either agitate for a move or an inflated contract within a couple of years. Failure to play ball ends up with public criticism and the club brought into disrepute.
Stay away.
Again there isn't really a client that would play for these teams outside of Pogba, Insigne and Verratti. Insigne and Verratti aren't for sale or interested in a move, Verratti actually ditched his agent because he was trying to force a move which led to Verratti apologizing for his agent. And then you have Pogba who according to Perez was a target last summer.
Doesn't change my point of Raiola not being "so powerful that we can't afford to not deal with him".
He's absolutely right in every word about the club. Its that funny that as an outsider hes putting more pressure on the club than our so called legends who are afraid to say the truth because they are on the Glazers payroll or they want a job inside the club.
It has nothing to do with just the agent fees. This guy has been pushing for Pogba to leave since Pogba's second season. It's not about dealing with top agents, but dealing with personalities. We knew what Raiola was before Pogba came as we had dealt with Pogba leaving before. Yet we chose to move forward with it despite the signs because we wanted that quick fix instead of observing the whole situation. That's the difference between us then and now. We used to look at alot of things rather than just on pitch performance to determine the fit of a player to our culture and team.
I would fecking waste a potential 100 million fee on Pogba right now. We should ask Pogba to drop him right now. If he doesn’t, we don’t sell him till fecking 2021. Not play him to boot.
Are United the only club who has an issue with Raiola? If a few clubs announce they won't be dealing with any players represented by him he would be out of business quicker than Leroy rosenior at Torquay.
But it changes your point about these clubs actively not dealing with him or his players, that rumour isn't supported by reality. Now the point made by Newglory is an exaggeration too, even though clubs use Raiola as an intermediary the same way we use agents like Zahavi which means that we most likely will have to deal with him particularly if we are talking to clubs like Juventus, who by the way have no issues with him.
Basically the douchebag in the office that you dont pick a fight with, but avoid as much as possible.
Yeah, it changes the anectodal view based on a shit memory of clubs already doing it, but we can absolutely afford to refuse to go after Raiolas clients.
Hard to when he controls a lot of top players
Of course but it's not really a strong statement, one of them plays for us and the other two that are good enough will likely retire in their current clubs. It's a bit like claiming that you won't fish in the Sahara.
He sadly represents a lot of very good players and most agents are money hungry pricks anyway.
I wasn't putting it out there as a stand-alone statement though, it was in reply to someone saying we couldn't afford to because he/she viewed Raiola as more powerful than United. It was a laughable point which is why I stated the obvious, that it was wrong. Albeit with using my bad memory as I don't have my pc available to double check things comfortably, which you corrected but didn't change that the initial view of the poster was laughable.Of course but it's not really a strong statement, one of them plays for us and the other two that are good enough will likely retire in their current clubs. It's a bit like claiming that you won't fish in the Sahara.
But my point addresses both yours and his point. You are both wrong in theory he is easy to avoid and no one actually avoids him, also you will remark that the football CEOs that have an issue with him are mainly the ones that have questionable attitudes like Perez, Bartomeu and maybe Woodward. SAF is the only one who I believe had a point because in his case he wanted to deal with him and Pogba peacefully and Raiola acted like a petulant child. While the other three are certified idiots who are liked by no one.
Verified by who?
If you see in the Pogba thread, I just made a comment where I stated that ditching Raiola clients after Pogba leaves or retires is what I would want to see as a fan, but don't expect at all.
I'm not really wrong in theory when all my point boils down to is that his point was wrong in saying that Raiola is too powerful not to deal with. At this point I don't think I'll understand your view or counter-point to that, and I suspect I won't if we continue either.