Let's all laugh at England

Mistakes can be worked out over time. Don't do anything rash. Is there anyone you can call?
Things will always improve, even if it seems like there was is no way through. There are plenty of people here happy to chat if we can help.
Exactly this.
 
That last bit is where you’re getting the wrong end of the stick. Even in Ireland, where we have plenty of reasons to dislike England as a country, most of the antipathy to the England football team has nothing to do with how we feel about the country. I lived in England for 10 years. I have loads of English friends. I don’t hate England. I don’t even hate the England football team.

I do dislike a small minority of Ingerland fans, the type of fan that sings about the Second World War and smashed up the Landsdowne Road stadium when England played there. Feck those guys. But we all know the vast majority of England fans aren’t like that. We want the team to lose in an almost pantomime way. They’re the villains of the football world, like the wicked witch in the pantomime. Nothing personal. It just is what it is. It’s basically always enjoyable to see a team lose that is supported by fans who would dress up as crusaders to attend a tournament in the Middle East. That sort of hubris will always appeal to any neutral.


I will be the first to admit that those England fans you speak of are an embarrassment. There is nothing worse than seeing these Ingurland shouting pissed up hard men coming out the woodwork every 2 years.

I just hope that these pricks aren't the reason behind the hatred for the men's national team, whom are just professional footballers?

There isn't enough space on this forum to cover the atrocities this country i happened to be born in did and some of my elder family members in Ireland can vouch for that. The English mens team had nothing to do with that though.

Passions are high in all fairness and maybe I am dreaming but hopefully one day we can all get along and not have so much animosity.
 
I will be the first to admit that those England fans you speak of are an embarrassment. There is nothing worse than seeing these Ingurland shouting pissed up hard men coming out the woodwork every 2 years.

I just hope that these pricks aren't the reason behind the hatred for the men's national team, whom are just professional footballers?

There isn't enough space on this forum to cover the atrocities this country i happened to be born in did and some of my elder family members in Ireland can vouch for that. The English mens team had nothing to do with that though.

Passions are high in all fairness and maybe I am dreaming but hopefully one day we can all get along and not have so much animosity.
Most of us know England fans that are not those ingerland fans and mainly it's all banter. My best mate loves the England NT, I don't, we bicker and then get on again right after the match. It's just what football fans are like.
 
I was just born in the wrong country. Certainly don't feel British.
I don't live in England anymore and I don't feel British, I don't feel anything in fact, I think Nationalism is backwards but I still support England at major tournaments because that's where I was born. Second to them I always want Sweden to do well also.
 
I don't live in England anymore and I don't feel British, I don't feel anything in fact, I think Nationalism is backwards but I still support England at major tournaments because that's where I was born. Second to them I always want Sweden to do well also.

Nationalism is backwards. Have French nationality because of necessity but have always felt more at home in France than in the UK since I was a teenager - spent a lot of time here even before I moved permanently.
 
I can’t post on the general forum so I’m going to put this here. I have come to a point in my life where I can’t go on. I am getting ready and I am going to drive up to the hills near my house and finish things. I have thought long and hard about it and there is no other option I can see apart from leaving. I just wanted someone to know before it happens . I am going to obviously message my family with the reasons. Enjoy life and don’t make major mistakes like I have.
Things are never as bad as you think they are in your lowest moments and things will get better, even if it doesn’t feel like it at the time. This is from very personal experience. It’s good to talk.
 
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It would definitely have been more fun if they'd beaten France then lost to Morocco.

That would have been the most England thing ever in fairness, I think most English folks would join the laughter at that point.
 
I have no idea who taught you to hate a country. Especially the country you are from. Maybe you hate a certain section of the country which is fair enough. I don’t like everyone from England but I can still get behind this team. EDIT. Maybe you aren’t from England I just presumed there when you said you supported England as a kid.

I have no hate for England (as in literally English or British or Britain or Brits), I just don't support their Football National Men's team, and I enjoy their "demise" in the competition, due to my own personal experiences which is shaped by supporting Manchester United for 15 years and frequenting a Manchester United Forum.
 
I’ve been supporting Manchester United for 30 years. Yet, I never wanted England to win any major trophy. I almost never wanted them to win a match, with the exception maybe of against a team like Argentina. I loved so many English players, from Beckham to Scholes, Neville, Ferdinand and so on. But, when they put the English jersey on, I didn’t want them to win.

That would have been the most England thing ever in fairness, I think most English folks would join the laughter at that point.
I don’t think that this England team would’ve lost to Morocco after beating France. This is a good side.
 
I can’t post on the general forum so I’m going to put this here. I have come to a point in my life where I can’t go on. I am getting ready and I am going to drive up to the hills near my house and finish things. I have thought long and hard about it and there is no other option I can see apart from leaving. I just wanted someone to know before it happens . I am going to obviously message my family with the reasons. Enjoy life and don’t make major mistakes like I have.
Talk to someone. Things always look worse than they are when you're in the thick of it.
 
I can’t post on the general forum so I’m going to put this here. I have come to a point in my life where I can’t go on. I am getting ready and I am going to drive up to the hills near my house and finish things. I have thought long and hard about it and there is no other option I can see apart from leaving. I just wanted someone to know before it happens . I am going to obviously message my family with the reasons. Enjoy life and don’t make major mistakes like I have.

Dude, wake up. Don't do it. Whatever you are facing will get better. Talk to someone. Don't take this step. Your family will be devastated without you.
 
I can’t post on the general forum so I’m going to put this here. I have come to a point in my life where I can’t go on. I am getting ready and I am going to drive up to the hills near my house and finish things. I have thought long and hard about it and there is no other option I can see apart from leaving. I just wanted someone to know before it happens . I am going to obviously message my family with the reasons. Enjoy life and don’t make major mistakes like I have.
What the feck is this man.. You never know behind the screen wether someone is serious or not but if you are please don't dude. Don't let your loved ones suffer like that for the rest of their lives..
 
That last bit is where you’re getting the wrong end of the stick. Even in Ireland, where we have plenty of reasons to dislike England as a country, most of the antipathy to the England football team has nothing to do with how we feel about the country. I lived in England for 10 years. I have loads of English friends. I don’t hate England. I don’t even hate the England football team.

I do dislike a small minority of Ingerland fans, the type of fan that sings about the Second World War and smashed up the Landsdowne Road stadium when England played there. Feck those guys. But we all know the vast majority of England fans aren’t like that. We want the team to lose in an almost pantomime way. They’re the villains of the football world, like the wicked witch in the pantomime. Nothing personal. It just is what it is. It’s basically always enjoyable to see a team lose that is supported by fans who would dress up as crusaders to attend a tournament in the Middle East. That sort of hubris will always appeal to any neutral.

This is articulated well, and as an England fan, born and bred in England, it provides some insight into how England are perceived from our Irish neighbours (and friends).
To pick up on the 'small minority' of England fans you refer to, you only have to look back at our most recent history of hosting the Euro's last year, to see that we do indeed have fans that behave like clowns. The storming of Wembley Stadium during the Final was evidence of that.

Even now, over a year later during this World Cup, whenever England played and the TV showed England fans celebrating a goal around different parts of the country, you see a 'small minority' throwing the contents of their drinks up in the air and all over fellow fans - a total lack of respect for anyone.
Contrast that to scenes of the other country's regions when they scored a goal and it painted a different picture - one of respect for each other.


Going a long way back in our history, and especially in relation to Ireland, any decent human would recognise that the way the English treated the Irish was horrendous, and played a massive role in the ill feeling that can still be felt today, and may well be felt for years to come.


Returning to the England football team, I will probably be drawing my pension before they win the World Cup again (if they ever do), and I'm a long way off retirement!
 
I think we fundamentally disagree on various points. Mostly, this England team is better than ok (this is coming from someone that assumed France would terrorize us pre game). Also, all of this is, again, based on your 'thinking' that France wouldn't have been that worried about it going into extra time. Which, to me, is wrong. If this world cup has taught us anything, it's that once you're in extra time, all bets are off. The notion that France would have been comfortable is just untrue.
I post on a French football message board and no one there felt that France could have handled extra time. They saw Kane's penalty as the make or break moment of the game, and think France would have lost if it carried on much longer.

I don't get people downplaying this England team, they nullified a very good France team for large parts of the game and overall looked better. They're a good team lacking that little bit of extra magic (which could be Bellingham maturing into a top player) to get over the line.
 
I can’t post on the general forum so I’m going to put this here. I have come to a point in my life where I can’t go on. I am getting ready and I am going to drive up to the hills near my house and finish things. I have thought long and hard about it and there is no other option I can see apart from leaving. I just wanted someone to know before it happens . I am going to obviously message my family with the reasons. Enjoy life and don’t make major mistakes like I have.

What the feck, where's this come from lad? Can you get in touch with someone because it's very worrying. I don't know if you're joking or not but you need to reach out
 
I post on a French football message board and no one there felt that France could have handled extra time. They saw Kane's penalty as the make or break moment of the game, and think France would have lost if it carried on much longer.

I don't get people downplaying this England team, they nullified a very good France team for large parts of the game and overall looked better. They're a good team lacking that little bit of extra magic (which could be Bellingham maturing into a top player) to get over the line.
That's how I saw it too. England were in the ascendancy and had shaded most of the game. Not dominated, but imo had been the better side. France won a game that could have gone either way, but to say it was a comfortable win is just flat out wrong.
 
I can’t post on the general forum so I’m going to put this here. I have come to a point in my life where I can’t go on. I am getting ready and I am going to drive up to the hills near my house and finish things. I have thought long and hard about it and there is no other option I can see apart from leaving. I just wanted someone to know before it happens . I am going to obviously message my family with the reasons. Enjoy life and don’t make major mistakes like I have.

Mate come on. No matter how bleak things seem right now, it DOES get better. Trust me. Everyone who has been in a similar place and come through it and saw the light at the other end of the tunnel can attest to it.

Even if you're so down thinking about your own life and your own future, take a second to think of your family and those you love. This causes a pain that never goes away. If you have nothing else, at least use that as your motivation to come through this and get to the other side.

You can do it mate, just have a wee think about it.
 
I can’t post on the general forum so I’m going to put this here. I have come to a point in my life where I can’t go on. I am getting ready and I am going to drive up to the hills near my house and finish things. I have thought long and hard about it and there is no other option I can see apart from leaving. I just wanted someone to know before it happens . I am going to obviously message my family with the reasons. Enjoy life and don’t make major mistakes like I have.

Hey behave yourself! Remember these words...

Good times pass
Bad times pass
Everything comes to pass
There are always brighter days ahead!

Keep smiling my friend!
:)
 
I can’t post on the general forum so I’m going to put this here. I have come to a point in my life where I can’t go on. I am getting ready and I am going to drive up to the hills near my house and finish things. I have thought long and hard about it and there is no other option I can see apart from leaving. I just wanted someone to know before it happens . I am going to obviously message my family with the reasons. Enjoy life and don’t make major mistakes like I have.

Speak to someone honestly, you often don't realise how many people care about you because people don't really voice their feelings often.

Every problem has solutions, and life gives us rough patches. Genuinely reach out for help, go to a safe place like a family members if you can you don't need to be alone if you are facing these kind of thoughts right now.
 
There's a thread in the general about him, many contacted him and apparently his Mrs called the police. He said he's getting help and hopefully that's all true.

Good to hear this, I was going to raise the alarm with my brother to contact Bristol emergency services, but didn't want to make things worse for him depending on what was going on, so I'm glad he's getting help.
 
That's how I saw it too. England were in the ascendancy and had shaded most of the game. Not dominated, but imo had been the better side. France won a game that could have gone either way, but to say it was a comfortable win is just flat out wrong.
You have to have a very strong bias against England to argue it was a comfortable win for France. No French person I know feels that way. There was an element of luck and experience in their win, which matters massively in these competitions, England were just a little too naive, but they had a very good game.
 
Every United fan was wanting Rashford to score that FK. Let's be honest
 
You have to have a very strong bias against England to argue it was a comfortable win for France. No French person I know feels that way. There was an element of luck and experience in their win, which matters massively in these competitions, England were just a little too naive, but they had a very good game.

I don't even think that they were naive. If England wins there is nothing to complain about, they played well enough.