Come on mate, three lions is a song about things going tits up, fixtures and venues were determined by winning the group and decisions are made by refs and VAR . This thread is about laughing at England so we should be seeing pics of Rashfords shit pen, Saka crying or gifs of fans or full kit wankers . Funny stuff surely.
tbh, I actually find the England team pretty likeable. their young and there’s no one I dislike in the team, and Rashford is a great in my eyes for the stuff he’s done over the last two years. When Saka stepped up I wanted him to score, because when Rashford and Sancho had missed the last two I know if he missed those three were gonna get a shit ton of racial abuse and I was gutted for them.
In fairness I haven’t been on that much, and hadn’t seen any of that shit, which is deplorable and embarrassing, so if that’s the case, fair cop… but by the same token I hope you can also understand why having just got back from a gutting defeat, which I attended with my 73 year old dad, whose recovering from a stroke, and almost certainly the last tournament I’ll attend with him after nearly 20 years of doing so, and absolutely heartbroken at missing the only chance we’ll get to see us win something together, I was in a pretty emotional state, and logging on to see how I’m scum and deserve to feel shit because of a plethora of reasons ranging from reasonable to not, was a bit affecting… yeah, it probably did “rattle” me, to be perfectly honest.
It’s all very well saying “well we weren’t talking about YOU” but… you kind of are. I am one of those fans, and it’s a fairly weird position sometimes being a left wing England fan who largely agrees with our villainous status in the world, as we’re just kind of expected to never take any joy from anything … you have to be perpetually self deprecating otherwise you’re arrogant, any kind of normal football fan behaviour is suddenly
unforgivable hubris, and you can’t even enjoy your stupid little self depreciating song because we’ve decided it’s actually also arrogant, even if it isn’t, because we feel that way so you have to accept that (an attitude that would be an amazingly affective ironic ‘bit’ about the attitude of a lot of English people to foreign things they don’t get - if I didn’t feel it was absolutely not that at all, and just doubling down)….and that’s the reasonable stuff.
Look, 85% of this thread is fine, I’m fine with banter and memes and shit…but there’s obviously stuff in here that isn’t that, which is apparently completely excusable because England fans have also been pricks…. You’re well within your rights to enjoy a laugh at our expense, and if you feel a genuine spite towards English people is warranted in return for stuff you’ve received (or historical animosity) than fair play… but I hope you’ll allow me the same agency to feel there are some posters I now consider to be pricks, by the same token?
I’m really sorry about your dad, and I hope that it’s a tournament you’ll both remember because the English team did do themselves proud and getting to a final is something to be remembered, even if the loss smarts at the moment.
About the song, I’ve never minded it, even ignoring the song, the accusations of arrogance from the media and supporters I’ve never minded either, pundits are meant to be hopeful and confident and optimistic and Rio’s words were fine by me.
I went into this tournament thinking that if Wales go out I’ll support Scotland and England, it’s been my usual go-to during international tournaments in football. That changed when posters without provocation lambasted Wales as England B, shit, pathetic, no national identity and living on English scraps. And I get that they were probably wound up by others (and wound others up) but to then have the same posters complain of racism against the English is a tough pill to swallow.
The same way that a lot of the supporter behaviour is absolved or justified , I’m not talking about singing the song, or even booing anthems, I get that behaviour is hardly unique to the English support, but to see a poster blame a Danish dad for being assaulted in front of his child, stinks. To see the recent violence, racism, and aggression to be completely ignored is upsetting. I’ve been a season ticket holder most of my life, I never have these problems when domestic clubs come to Wales, they’ve largely stamped it out. I’ve never had these problems following Wales either. There is a small hardcore minority of the English support who let everyone else down. I can understand as someone who goes to the games why you might feel targeted, when I have spoken of this element I have always used the words small minority, because I know that the large part of the support is great.
B20 sums up parts of my thoughts as well
The sad fact is that the whataboutism (the others do it too) and fatalism (there is nothing that can be done) that, on evidence of this forum alone, is quite prevalent, is a passively supporting factor for it to continue.
If there was an appropriate amount of outrage, calls for action, and political will to act, this would have a significant effect. We know this because things improved noticeably in club football when such action was taken in the late 80s.
It doesn't really matter why people do it, unless it is pertinent to a proactive solution, whether others do it, unless it is pertinent to international collaboration to resolve it, or how much, except to measure how much there needs to be dealt with.
The bottomline is that it is too much, action is required and everybody ought to be on that same page instead of offering arguments for why it is better to shrug our shoulders and offer thoughts and prayers instead.
I strongly agree with what he’s said about this. This isn’t directed at you, I know you haven’t defended the assaults or the racism, and I think that’s a very small minority on here to be fair. It’s sad though that I would be too scared to take my niece to a tournament in England after yesterday. I don’t want football to go back to the days where you couldn’t take your kids.
I understand that the comments I’ve made regarding what some people have said on this forum don’t pertain to you, the same way that the comments you’ve mentioned don’t pertain to me. Truth be told I should have ignored your comment, you’re free to vent your frustrations and I can imagine it’s been hard being hammered from all corners, especially about stuff like the song or arrogance that I personally feel is just football, and not problematic. I just strongly dislike the anti-England or racism against England comments I’ve seen strung about, after the comments I’ve seen about Wales, Ireland, Scotland, Germany, India and probably many others.
You’re right though, you haven’t made the comments about other countries, you’ve said nothing I find offensive or insulting. You’ve defended things you find unfair and I’m wrong to extrapolate my feelings about some comments on to you. Many of my gripes that have been building my over the last week have nothing to do with you, Just as I’m allowed to feel let down by some of the comments, so are you. And as I’ve been rattled by comments you won’t have seen, there’ll be plenty of comments about England that I haven’t seen, and I was wrong to insinuate that you were ignoring the other side.
Well this thread was already ruined but I’ve ruined it further with this serious shit.
You’re a gem
