The bigger benefit surely would of been him staying at Schalke?
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The bigger benefit surely would of been him staying at Schalke?
So better they all join Bayern than stay at their clubs, go to other German clubs, or go abroad then basically?
Oh look, Bayern got stronger again for free. Swell!
Talent not leaving is a great benefit, talent concentrating at one team at the top more than offsets that. Simple as. This is not an overall positive for the league. Will help keep it's "one team league" image alive.
What roles do Vidal, Thiago, Tollisso have now?
Yes. If it wasn't for Goretzka leaving Schalke would be competing with Bayern.
As a Dortmund fan, are you really defending Bayern in this instance? They win your league easily every season. It doesn't even help your league. Surely the pronounced decline of the German teams outside of Bayern is in part to them taking all the best players from would be rivals?
Look at your own club, you will be trading in your star player for some dross from Chelsea reserves, does this not worry you at all?
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I wonder who else was actually interested , I honestly thought he’d go to Spain.
Excellent.
This has been the age old accusation. People often forget that it takes two to tango. Bayern usually doesn't pry them loose from their clubs, they want to leave anyway. Mostly because their clubs offer little perspective in terms of winning titles. Now, what is true is that it's hard to win the league if you can't get past Bayern. How do you get past Bayern? Well, not dropping points to the other teams around you would be a good start. Then perform well in the two games versus Bayern and you're in a good spot. As it is, Bayern has a 14 point lead to the second. Those 14 points aren't because Bayern thrashed Schalke 4 times. Those are because Bayern won against teams Schalke hasn't.
Think about that for a while. You'll see how players that are pulling more than just their weight can get frustrated. So, yes. It's easy to say Bayern is "taking" all the best players. But really the problem is that Bayern is doing what you're supposed to do in sport. Win. And nobody seems to be able to bring their consistency, even after they had the huge lapse in the first half of the season before Ancelotti left.
Is it hurting the league? Yes. It absolutely is. The league is becoming boring. But the only way for that to change at the moment is either for other clubs to stop whinging and get their act together or Bayern intentionally dropping games just to keep competition equal. And it's not even about buying players, because Goretzka and the others will not get fantasy wages at Bayern. Look abroad and stop this provincial thinking. If you want to be a big club, think like Madrid, not like Bielefeld.
You and others seem to have trouble grasping the reality of German football. Bayern didn't do anything that needs defending here. The player outgrew Schalke significantly and his contract is running out. He would've left for free no matter what Bayern would have done. The only difference is that he's joining them instead of Barcelona or some other foreign club.
Schalke's (who are nowhere close to challenging Bayern btw) problem is not that evil Bayern bought two of their players in the past decade it's that they dug themselves a bottomless hole ever since they built their new stadium, a trend which they have just very recently started to reverse. It's similar with Dortmund who were quite threatening to Bayern in the late 90s, but then squandered that position into near bankruptcy and now have to play catch up.
Or that Gladbach and Stuttgart each managed to get relegated in the past 10 years, that it would've been the same for Hamburg if it wasn't for the newly re-introduced relegation playoffs. All that while Bayern have been one of the best run clubs in European football for decades.
If there wasn't any oil money in football it would've been a similar picture in England btw.
You will never convince the morons. United bought two star playmakers from Dortmund this decade for pocket money. I guess that made the league stronger somehow. Also, this is the first player we got from Schalke since....Neuer, I guess?
It’s especially funny how salty City fans are about this. „Wuaah, wuaah, we didn’t get to spend our slave money on something!“
But seriously, explain me people, what benefit would it be for the league if a) Bayern was weak or b) Goretzka would be in England? How exactly would that improve us?
I'm not saying that Bayern did anything that needs defending. The comment from Rummenigge is laughable though, unless fans of other clubs are willing to accept that having at least one team with a chance of winning anything in Europe is of paramount importance.
In England, most fans would rather see the best players leave the league if than play for rival teams.
In England, most fans would rather see the best players leave the league if than play for rival teams.
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It's the same old salt piles that usually form when Bayern gets a great player for cheap. Ignore or enjoy, but don't get riled up about it
The fans of the club who loses a particular player, sure. All other fans? Why should they? I'm pretty sure most neutral fans in England would have preferred seeing Ronaldo playing for let's say Chelsea instead of Real after he left Utd. It's about keeping attractions in the league, and this what Rummenigge was hinting at.
And the club have the cash to do so, most of the time. We don’t have slaveclubs in the Bundesliga yet though, so that’s kind of an issue.
Couldn't care less about the shit going on in Bundesliga and all that but the bold part is wrong.
If you take Premier league alone, I don't think there is even one club that would have hoped for that.
The league definitely does not benefit when one club hoovers up the best talent and remains streaks ahead of everyone else. Clearly Bayern are doing the best they can which is fair enough but I don't see how this adds to the league's overall interest.
I suppose one benefit from the league's perspective is this will help Bayern become even more competitive in the Champions League and they will remain as the main advert for the Bundesliga in general to those that aren't as familiar with it.
I suppose one benefit from the league's perspective is this will help Bayern become even more competitive in the Champions League and they will remain as the main advert for the Bundesliga in general to those that aren't as familiar with it.
It's like Stockholm Syndrome in Germany.
Everyone just accepts that Bayern will be able to cherry pick the best players and they don't seem to mind.
Doing it for the benefit of the league
Everyone just accepts that Bayern will be able to cherry pick the best players and they don't seem to mind.
Doing it for the benefit of the league
I'm sure Barca fans would've been thrilled to see Neymar at Real too, for the league!
Yeah, Schalke would have it much better without us. If it wasn't for us, they'd have a strong team with guys like Matip or Kolasinac.It's like Stockholm Syndrome in Germany.
Everyone just accepts that Bayern will be able to cherry pick the best players and they don't seem to mind.
Doing it for the benefit of the league
I mean you're right, it makes no difference to Schalke I suppose.
In many ways the damage to the Bundesliga has already been done. Is it 6 in a row Bayern are going to win or 7?
And so would Dortmund with a flourishing Gotze, prime Hummels and prime Lewandowski but shhh let's not mention them!
All this "league benefits" stuff is laughable. It is so bad for the league when one team gobbles up the talent that too for free. When United bought players from the league, we paid huge money (eg, Rio, RVP, Berba etc). That in turn helped those other teams to invest and bring in fresh talent. I am not saying United are saints, but people defending Bayern for lapping up a player and apparently keeping the league stronger, are joking surely? Help me understand how Goretzka's transfer is making Bundesliga stronger? It is making Bayern stronger, end of it. I won't get into debate of whether what Bayern do with their transfers is right/wrong, but they should atleast stop taking the bloody moral highground
And anyways, if the league was stronger, that would have reflected in the TV income
And anyways, if the league was stronger, that would have reflected in the TV income
Liverpool.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
Because they'd rather see a competitive league than one dominated by 1 team? Having star players is nice and all but the popularity and commerciability of the league is based on unpredictable results and unpredictable league winners. It's not built on having the best players, or else the league would have paled in comparison to La Liga which had all the mega stars these last 10 years.
The fact that Leicester won it, or the fact that Tottenham have emerged to turn what was a top 5 into a top 6 with increased competition... all this have made the EPL more popular and better to watch. Not worse.
Probably. But realistically, if it wasn't for us, Real would have prime Lewandowski, United would have tried Götze (and probably still have him, on ridicoulus wages) and Hummels was always ours anyway.
I also think you missed the point.
Got to be a joke coming from a PL fan. It's having it's first strong showing in Europe this entire decade, yet still it meanwhile wrapped up a ridicolus TV contract while it was utter dross.
Nevermind that though, the new TV contract for the Bundesliga which startzed this season actually included a 85% increase in revenues for clubs.
Bullshit. If it was, the PL wouldn't be anywhere near where it is today. It's funny this forum seems to have forgotten about its own dominance not so long ago.
Popularity is based on marketing, the PL was easily marketable because the language is accessible and they did their marketing abroad well while having a national Pay-TV culture. Simple as that. United could have won 18 out of the last 20 titles and nothing would change at all.
Other than Bayern when was the last time a German side did anything of note in Europe?
Dortmund in 2013?
I can see Bayern fans are very defensive on the subject but I just think the Bundesliga has major problems. Bayern are so completely and utterly dominant, it's just boring.
Dortmund in 2013?
I can see Bayern fans are very defensive on the subject but I just think the Bundesliga has major problems. Bayern are so completely and utterly dominant, it's just boring.
Oh, the service Bayern is doing to the community !!
About the tv rights, PL TV rights are worth significantly higher than Bundesliga's. Also, hey, let us conveniently ignore the rest of the post
I think it's really great that the Bundesliga has such a selfless top club like Bayern. Which other club would commit such a sacrifice and sign Goretzka for free just to protect the league from losing players to foreign clubs? Awesome attitude.
This altruistic approach is the reason why I always fully supported Hoeneß evading taxes. I trust this great man way more with money than the state - for the better of society!
I think Bayerns Moral high ground also has a positive impact on football in the whole of Europe. Their fans and board repeatedly being the voice of reason in all this transfer madness and in regards to 'slave'/state owned clubs is really refreshing. I mean which club better to judge the backing of gulf states of European clubs than the holy FC Bayern Munich who now repeatedly had their training camps in Qatar. A flawless way of raising awareness to these problems, impressive. Just as impressive as signing Goretzka for free.
This altruistic approach is the reason why I always fully supported Hoeneß evading taxes. I trust this great man way more with money than the state - for the better of society!
I think Bayerns Moral high ground also has a positive impact on football in the whole of Europe. Their fans and board repeatedly being the voice of reason in all this transfer madness and in regards to 'slave'/state owned clubs is really refreshing. I mean which club better to judge the backing of gulf states of European clubs than the holy FC Bayern Munich who now repeatedly had their training camps in Qatar. A flawless way of raising awareness to these problems, impressive. Just as impressive as signing Goretzka for free.
I think that point's often forgotten. It will be interesting to see what language developments have on leagues' future popularity. (The spread of Spanish, or the rapid growth of French in sub-Saharan Africa, for example.)
Depends on your definition. Semis are hard, it's only 4 teams after all. But with the funds available, Dortmund made the quarters 3 out of 4 times since then, with Wolfsburg also reaching them once. Second best behind Spain in regards to number of clubs and appearances. No idea what happened in the Europa league, not following that.
Bullshit. The language has little to do with it as basically all leagues have been broadcasting abroad with local language sportscasters for decades now. Serie A in the 90s was in many countries far more popular than the EPL. Back when teams like Lazio, Parma, Juve, Inter and AC Milan made it a really tough and competitive league.
The marketability of the EPL has increased by the fact that single team dominance has been eroded.
Still, tell me, what would have changed for Dortmund?
People on this forum forget we had a shit league/shit Bayern combination already. That was from 2002 to 2010. A time when a Barca bench players was not only the star signing of the whole league, but Bayern as well. Don't tell me anyone had even remote interest into the BL or Bayern back then or that that interest is even remotely comparable to their interest in the league today. Yes, it's mediocre league/extremely strong Bayern now, but that is vastly preferable to being the laughing stock of Europe.
And I ignored the rest of your post because it's not worth replying. You have no idea what you are talking about and quite clearly only follow football for a few years.
The premier league was pretty mediocre back in the day, certainly weaker than Serie A or the Bundesliga, yet still those were the times where the foundations for its marketing dominance were laid. If anything, your example supports my point.
But the PL tends to be the first league looked at (for example) by English-learners in Asia who are directed to the country by their studies. It's a massive help.
No, no it doesn't
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