£22m isn't laughable, it's insane.
Leighton Baines
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Whatever. Let's buy Luke Shaw instead, he's totally proven himself. What am I on about? We've got Fabio. The fact that he appeared in a CL final means he's a world class defender.
Ok.
This and the story about wanting to get rid of Rafael makes me think that journalists really aren't getting a sniff of what Moyes is planning.
I like Baines, but it's rare to find a (potential) top quality full back who's over 6 feet tall. If Shaw's available and willing to come here, it's a no-brainer. Especially so at the prices Everton want.
Do people really think Baines will provide more than Evra does defensively?
Were struggling at LB not because Evra cannot bomb forward and create a goal but because of his defensive frailties
Coentrao is the best all rounder
Were struggling at LB not because Evra cannot bomb forward and create a goal but because of his defensive frailties
Coentrao is the best all rounder
The problems with the Coentrao idea are, he rarely plays and when he does he's been poor for Madrid. So its a gamble that he'll be an improvement at left back. He was also bought for a hell of a lot of money and Madrid will probably want a significant amount of it back. Which explains why we would have been more interested in loaning him
Are we talking about a sample of about 10 games this season? If it's his whole time at Madrid that's simply not the case.
He'd cost around 14-18m I imagine, but he's younger than Baines and proven at the top level of International and European football.
I wouldn't mind getting them both and loaning Shaw back to Southampton for a couple of years, and then fitting him into the team while gently tapering Baines out of the squad. Thing is, he's a real loyal one that Baines, he won't push for a move but I think he'll happily switch clubs if a fee is agreed, and that's just the problem, as you highlighted.
Getting both will cost something like £40m which is insane of course and impossible. We should stick with Evra for the time being and buy Shaw who I think is ready for the big stage, just like Rafael was 3 or 4 years ago.
Do you really think they'll cost that much? I'm not going to guestimate prices or anything, but I can't imagine the two of them costing that much.
I think they would cost that much as we have a history of over paying for English talent + rival clubs will make the most of our need to replace Evra in the near future.
Shaw even for £25m would be a good investment, he looks the real deal and I really hope we get him before Chelsea.
Shaw even for £25m would be a good investment, he looks the real deal and I really hope we get him before Chelsea.
Yeah, you've got a point, but I still don't see them costing that much. Even so, like you say Shaw for £25m would be a good investment. We'll get a good 13/14 years out of him at top level assuring he stays injury free. I can't say I've seen much of him really, though. I'm just going off the hype everywhere.
Wouldn't make much sense to buy Baines in the hope of upgrading the defense - he might or might not but it misses the point. If we bought him it would be because he's the best left footed crosser of the ball in English football. If we think that's important then he's pretty much a no-brainer. Shaw may very well develop into a wonderful left back, but he's unlikely ever to develop into such a great crosser of the ball.
Daily Mirror reporting a 16m deal to be done in January, I know it's the mirror but I am bored.
Hasn't Moyed been watching Evra? The best lb in the league atm...
Baines' defensive positioning again let him down against Chile. A persistent problem that gets ignored cos he can cross. There was me thinking left backs are meant to defend...
Persistent? Pretty sure it's not persistent.
Lest we not forget, Patrick Evra has had his fair share of moments where he himself has been out of position for club and country and goals have gone in the back of the net he is defending.
In fairness though, for the money I don't want him but I'm pretty confident Everton will stick to their guns and reject our offers. You just hope Moyes and Woody don't go all Fellaini again. The player himself would be a fine stop gap for a few years but the money involved makes no sense.
Unless Moyes knows Evra is definitely planning on going in the summer this still seems a fairly unnecessary deal.
My word
What is so funny about Hellboy's comment?
I would buy Shaw too for 25m.
If he has a career at Old Trafford for at least 7-8 years then it's a great price.
£25 million for Shaw is a little bit excessive, but every top club in the country will get into a bidding war for him. So it could easily come to that
The only thing Baines is better than Evra at is crossing the ball.
I'm not a great fan of Baines myself. A decent enough player but doesn't offer more than our Paddy does. Maybe he's decided to return to France to see out his playing days but I hope not. Speculation aside, why isn't Fabio in the frame for left back?
We would be scoring more goals if one of our wide men could cross a ball, especially if he can cross like Baines.
Does it get ignored? I'd say it's well documented on here and in the press that he isn't an amazing defender.
Add freekicks and pens to that also.
I see your point though. I don't think it makes sense seeing as Evra is fecking brilliant. Evra is also a leader in that side and we'd miss that if we moved him on.
Get Evra to sign on for another year, spend the money on Shaw and let him be Evra's understudy. It almost makes too much sense...
You're right, I should have said general ball striking technique.
16m for a 29 year old defender is insane....
....said Saf when he sold Jaap Stam
....said Saf when he sold Jaap Stam
He would certainly be a ready made replacement for Evra, proven he can cut it against better sides in the league and his delivery is up there with anyone at united probably anyone in the premiership to be fair.
Once Everton start demanding North of 20m they can feck right off, but if the latest reports have any hint of truth he is definitely worth 16m.
Once Everton start demanding North of 20m they can feck right off, but if the latest reports have any hint of truth he is definitely worth 16m.
Give me Shaw over Baines any day. Baines is overrated. He'd be a decent player for us, but he'd only last a couple of years at the level he's at. Too expensive/ Shaw will last 15 years.
Its amazing how much talent there is at Everton. Coaches, players it seems that its the only place we scout these days.
I'd rather go through the growing pains with Fabio because I truly believe he can become as good as Rafael if we just showed a little faith in him and persevered.
Moyes is definitely asking us to cross the ball earlier this season I'm sure of it. I don't like it because its negative and shit to watch but Baines would be the better option if that is the case.
The thing that I find annoying us that we cross even when it isn't likely to reach the target, or when the target is heavily marked. It just seems the cross has to be whipped in at all costs regardless of trying to be accurate with it, or whether there is another better passing option.
It seems inevitable that Baines will come here to replace Evra. Fabio will probably leave next summer and we won't get Shaw. Can't say I'm particularly overjoyed about any of that but I'm growing to accept it.
Indeed. I don't like the tactic either, but Moyes is implementing it and Baines fits the bill more so than anybody else. I prefer both Evra and Coentrao as footballers; both are much superior on the ball. Baines is the better crosser, though.
I've whinged about Evra's defending for some time, however, his dribbling is fantastic, underrated and will be missed when he leaves.
Hadn't thought of his age I mean who signs players at the age of 29 
And Baines dribbles more often then him this season with better passing and shooting. And freekicks. And right foot. And gets dribbled by the opponent less. The only thing Evra is better at is dealing with high balls