Buy him and loan him back for a year or two, have you learned nothing from your time at Chelsea Jose, stockpile then loans and see who comes good, ruthless I know but can't be missing out on talent.
Leander Dendoncker
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I don't think he would move to United, at least not now. Only when other big clubs come in and bid will United join in as well, if he is that highly regarded that is. Any midfielder would only come in once Carrick is retired and/or Fellaini is sold, which is pretty unlikely given Mourinho's recent comments.
Isn't it anything but ruthless? I see it as a win-win situation for all parties involved.
I would hate if we followed Chelsea's model.
It's the only thing that works. The risks are too big and the margins too small now for big clubs, especially in the PL, to be developing youngsters.
You either buy the finished product (very expensive) or buy promising youngsters and loan them to clubs where they can develop. You will get the occasional world class player and on the rest you will either make a profit or some minimal losses.
If this method works so well where are all these players that Chelsea have been able to develop with it? They sure ain't playing at Chelsea.
Using our own method on the other hand we currently have players like Rashford, Tuanzebe, Pereira, Fosu-Mensah, Lingard and Martial in the squad, all who we have mostly developed our self.
Think we maybe forced to act or else he'll end up somewhere else. Would be very surprised if other clubs weren't trying to sign him.
So we should have a squad of 33 players plus academy players?
What's to hate? It works for them and they make big money off it.
They also won the league twice in the last 3 years and the CL and EL in the last 5
The way transfer fees are going, there's very little down side in buying promising youngsters and then if they don't turn out to be good enough, we'd more than likely still be able to sell them at little loss or even some gain.
I hate their hoarding of young players. Even if it works for them.
It would work if Chelsea actually decided to give the players a chance after impressive loans. Players like Christensen and Ake 100% should have been rewarded serious squad roles for this season after impressive loan spells, for instance.
So selling players for a small profit is what our youth policy should be about? I'd much prefer the way we are doing things now, try and develop potential players for our first team combined with buying ready made stars. I don't want United to be a club where we treat young players like livestock who are only here so we can make profit from them.
No, the main aim is not to sell them on for small profits, but secure a star in the making. Chelsea has Courtois now because of this exact strategy.
I dont think we should buy players for the sake of buying or buying every half talented player and park them at other clubs, like Chelsea.
But i would like to see us buying young talents we are serious about and loan them out to other clubs or buying them and loaning them out for a year or two at his actual club instead of losing out to him. Dendoncker being the prime example. If we think he has it, just buy him and keep him there for a year instead of letting him go to some other club for 20m and then buying him in a few years for triple that.
But i would like to see us buying young talents we are serious about and loan them out to other clubs or buying them and loaning them out for a year or two at his actual club instead of losing out to him. Dendoncker being the prime example. If we think he has it, just buy him and keep him there for a year instead of letting him go to some other club for 20m and then buying him in a few years for triple that.
And we have De Gea, Rashford, Martial, Lingard, Tuanzebe, Fosu-Mensah, Smalling, Jones, Bailly, Lindelöf and Pereira because of our own strategy.
Yes I agree, I was being facetious with my original comment in that I don't like it as a business model as Chelsea do it, however we should be doing it exactly as you say and there is no reason not to have about 5+ at a go at any one time, just not 35+ at once as Chelsea have
The two "strategies" aren't mutually exclusive though...
Right on, even if we were to develop just one Cristiano Ronaldo over a period of 10 years the strategy will be worth the hassle because young players rarely depreciate to junk status during the duration of their contract. We need a sustainable strategy for the first team over the long run because spending upwards 9f £150m per summer will eventually do us in.
I don't think we should be in for him now. I meant if his motivtives for a move is new challenge, buying him & let him go out on loan is contrary to his wish. If we take him in then we have a problem to give other players game time namely Pereira & even Axel for occasionally try out as defensive midfield.
Everton sniffing around him? Not sure how credible the source is though
Would be a decent signing for them, thought he looked good against us in the Europa League. Didn't he score against us iirc?
Let him develop at our feeder club, then take him off their hands if he turns out well in the future?
Would be a decent signing for them, thought he looked good against us in the Europa League. Didn't he score against us iirc?
Let him develop at our feeder club, then take him off their hands if he turns out well in the future?
We should just sign him first as last and loan him back for the year.Everton sniffing around him? Not sure how credible the source is though
Would be a decent signing for them, thought he looked good against us in the Europa League. Didn't he score against us iirc?
Let him develop at our feeder club, then take him off their hands if he turns out well in the future?
Back in the day we could fleece the likes of Everton, Tottenham etc for their best players. Now we have to pay through the nose.
Think he wants to move and play first team football. If Everton want him, they'll get him.
Agree with the logic that if we don't act on young talent when they become available, we will struggle to lure them if they come good.
We can't take the best players for big money from the likes of Everton now, Lukaku just cost us 75mil. We cant spend like this every summer.
We know Carrick is leaving end of this season, we know Fellaini hasn't signed a new contract and isn't of the quality we need in midfield.
I've said all summer, we should look at another CM for squad depth, possibly a Dendonker type and loan them back. We should also be giving our own youngsters some game time, such as Pereira, Tuanzebe etc.
I'd be for this signing myself, he looked good against us. A buy and loan back does make sense, he wont play much this year and we should really look to Periera this year as a rotation option
We can't take the best players for big money from the likes of Everton now, Lukaku just cost us 75mil. We cant spend like this every summer.
We know Carrick is leaving end of this season, we know Fellaini hasn't signed a new contract and isn't of the quality we need in midfield.
I've said all summer, we should look at another CM for squad depth, possibly a Dendonker type and loan them back. We should also be giving our own youngsters some game time, such as Pereira, Tuanzebe etc.
I'd be for this signing myself, he looked good against us. A buy and loan back does make sense, he wont play much this year and we should really look to Periera this year as a rotation option
Carrick will be replaced by Perreira. I don't see the point of signing an additional midfielder when we're going to play two in the middle for most games, especially since Pogba, Fellaini, Herrera and Matic are all in their prime.
Agree we look decent for numbers now. Periera isn't a Carrick type, so disagree with that. Matic is the Carrick replacement.
Fellaini hasn't signed a new contract, and lets be frank is pretty replaceable. If we play 2, its Pogba and Matic, a 3 and Herrera comes in. With only Fellaini, Carrick and Pereira as back ups, and likely 2 of them wont be with us next season I think a signing makes sense now, rather than next summer
All subject to opinion of course, but my view is we should look at a CM this summer if its a young/potential type, such as Dendonker.
They've got Scheiderlin, Klassen and Gueye, not sure he will just walk into their midfield.
He'll have a better chance getting into their team. He's a better player than Schneiderlin already.
Based on what exactly? Which break out seasons in the EPL does he have to his name?
Based on his technical ability with a ball at his feet.
That's not the only factor. Look at how Clasie failed at Southampton. He's a ball player as well.
I wasn't impressed with Clasie when I saw him play in the Eridivisie as regards playing for a big club.
Dendoncker has better touch, technique and passing. At 22 he will get even better and will have fantastic resale value for Everton in the future if they do sign him.
It would make sense to buy him now and loan him to a lower PL club, then next summer when Carrick retires and Fellaini goes next summer he can come in and gives us a midfield 4 of Pogba/Herrera/Matic/Dendoncker, 2 holders and 2 box to box CM's, ideal.
Agree. Ideally he doesn't go anywhere and we can sign him up next summer. Weigl is my dream next summer signing, though, and is an ideal longneck term carrick/matic replacement
Nonsense, hopefully we tie down Fele to a 5 year contract so we can win the treble with him at the helm
Rumours on twitter he maybe Monaco bound along with Kasper Dolberg.
We need to snap him up somehow. Will play against Bayern and Psg, i think he will be a sought after player after the season if he doesnt move now
Then he'll move for 2x the price next summer...