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Could have been worse, can't complain too much
youStill, could be a blessing in disguise, as Davids would have been a relative liability in another surprise that we are cooking up for you guys.
Las Vegas Monopoly Draft
- Thread starter Edgar Allan Pillow
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youStill, could be a blessing in disguise, as Davids would have been a relative liability in another surprise that we are cooking up for you guys.
Yeah tried a few different ones. Some it just plain refuses to work others it does as I said before. It's even worse on my phone so I've just given up on it
Whassup?
And you didn't even vote for me!
Albert Shesternyov
- Skizzo/Annah - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. Neeskens 3. Rivera 4. Lahm 5. Giggs(injured) 6. Bergomi 7. Courtois 8. Alexis Sanchez 9. Schwarzenbeck 10. I Netto 11. Leonidas 12. Clodoaldo 13. Mazzola 14. Julinho 15. Maradona 16. Suarez 17. Didi
- Enigma_87 - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Souness 4. B Schuster 5. Dani Alves 6. KH Schnellinger 7. Desailly 8. A Erico 9. van Persie 10. Akinfeev 11. Chumpitaz(injured) 12. Kaká 13. Júlio César 14. David Villa 15. L. Ronaldo 16. Eusebio 17. Van der Sar
- Tuppet - 1.C. Ronaldo 2. J. Cruyff (injured) 3. Krol 4. Vieira 5.
Griezmann6. Fabregas 7. Hamrin 8. Pirlo 9. Suurbier 10. Ze Roberto 11. Bossis 12. Walter Samuel 13. Yashin 14. Tardelli 15. Messi 16. L Blanc 17. Drop 18. Shesternyov
- Jayvin - 1. R. Ferdinand 2. Neymar 3. Facchetti 4. M. Platini 5. De Gea 6. Roy Keane 7. Thuram 8. T Henry 9. A Robben 10. E. Davids(injured) 11. Rooney 12. Kocsis 13. Zmuda 14. P. Schmeichel 15. J. Stam 16. Jairzinho 17. Romario 18. Bozsik
- Pat_Mustard - 1. L Matthaus 2. E Figueroa 3. Rivaldo 4. D Alaba 5. J Johnstone 6. P Falcao 7. E Hazard 8. Dzajic 9. R Falcao 10. Amoros 11. Evra 12. J Oblak 13. Uwe Seeler 14. Blankenburg 15. Dasayev 16. P. Maldini
- DavidG - 1. F Baresi 2. Cafu 3. J Charles 4. Beckham 5. Vidic 6. Carlos 7. Bale 8. Gullit 9. De Rossi 10. Hugo Sanchez 11. Hugo Lloris 12. M. Dembele 13. C. Seedorf 14. S. Maier 15. Pele 16. N/A
- harms - 1 J Bozsik 2. B Charlton 3. Brehme 4. Zico 5. Vogts 6. Romario 7. T Finney 8. P McGrath 9. P Jennings 10. Ribery 11. D Da Guia 12. Kante 13. F. Hierro 14. M. Hummels 15. F. Rijkaard 16. A. Nesta
- MJJ/VivaJ - 1. G. Best 2. Garrincha 3. A$ Cole 4. D. Edwards 5. Law 6. D. Blanchflower 7. Sagnol 8. Passarella 9. Toldo 10. Overath 11. Ruggeri 12. Scirea 13. Drogba 14. Irwin 15. Di Stefano 16. N/A
Bozsik was an emergency call-up though, else Baresi was a shoe-in for that box.And you didn't even vote for me!
I would have loved Baresi getting a run out in midfield till Edgar returned.
Fortune favours the brave? I actually gave you the choice out of interest since, although losing Cruyff looked brutal, Bossis was far more problematic IMO.
Paolo Maldini
- Skizzo/Annah - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. Neeskens 3. Rivera 4. Lahm 5. Giggs(injured) 6. Bergomi 7. Courtois 8. Alexis Sanchez 9. Schwarzenbeck 10. I Netto 11. Leonidas 12. Clodoaldo 13. Mazzola 14. Julinho 15. Maradona 16. Suarez 17. Didi
- Enigma_87 - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Souness 4. B Schuster 5. Dani Alves 6. KH Schnellinger 7. Desailly 8. A Erico 9. van Persie 10. Akinfeev 11. Chumpitaz(injured) 12. Kaká 13. Júlio César 14. David Villa 15. L. Ronaldo 16. Eusebio 17. Van der Sar 18. P. Maldini
- Tuppet - 1.C. Ronaldo 2. J. Cruyff (injured) 3. Krol 4. Vieira 5.
Griezmann6. Fabregas 7. Hamrin 8. Pirlo 9. Suurbier 10. Ze Roberto 11. Bossis 12. Walter Samuel 13. Yashin 14. Tardelli 15. Messi 16. L Blanc 17. Drop 18. Shesternyov
- Jayvin - 1. R. Ferdinand 2. Neymar 3. Facchetti 4. M. Platini 5. De Gea 6. Roy Keane 7. Thuram 8. T Henry 9. A Robben 10. E. Davids(injured) 11. Rooney 12. Kocsis 13. Zmuda 14. P. Schmeichel 15. J. Stam 16. Jairzinho 17. Romario 18. Bozsik
- Pat_Mustard - 1. L Matthaus 2. E Figueroa 3. Rivaldo 4. D Alaba 5. J Johnstone 6. P Falcao 7. E Hazard 8. Dzajic 9. R Falcao 10. Amoros 11. Evra 12. J Oblak 13. Uwe Seeler 14. Blankenburg 15. Dasayev 16. P. Maldini
- DavidG - 1. F Baresi 2. Cafu 3. J Charles 4. Beckham 5. Vidic 6. Carlos 7. Bale 8. Gullit 9. De Rossi 10. Hugo Sanchez 11. Hugo Lloris 12. M. Dembele 13. C. Seedorf 14. S. Maier 15. Pele 16. N/A
- harms - 1 J Bozsik 2. B Charlton 3. Brehme 4. Zico 5. Vogts 6. Romario 7. T Finney 8. P McGrath 9. P Jennings 10. Ribery 11. D Da Guia 12. Kante 13. F. Hierro 14. M. Hummels 15. F. Rijkaard 16. A. Nesta
- MJJ/VivaJ - 1. G. Best 2. Garrincha 3. A$ Cole 4. D. Edwards 5. Law 6. D. Blanchflower 7. Sagnol 8. Passarella 9. Toldo 10. Overath 11. Ruggeri 12. Scirea 13. Drogba 14. Irwin 15. Di Stefano 16. N/A
Ah, feck, had completely forgotten I knew Enigma's pick.
Come on @Skizzo @Annahnomoss, we still have another surprise for you before the draw!
Come on @Skizzo @Annahnomoss, we still have another surprise for you before the draw!
Two men don't make a team, you know that better than anyone. In the same way that Joga and Annah's Brazilian superstar spunkfest didn't make a team (or not as much of a team as what they came up against).
- Skizzo/Annah - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. Neeskens 3. Rivera 4. Lahm 5. Giggs(injured) 6. Bergomi 7. Courtois 8. Alexis Sanchez 9. Schwarzenbeck 10. I Netto 11. Leonidas 12. Clodoaldo 13. Mazzola 14. Julinho 15. Maradona 16. Suarez 17. Didi 18. Pele
- Enigma_87 - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Souness 4. B Schuster 5. Dani Alves 6. KH Schnellinger 7. Desailly 8. A Erico 9. van Persie 10. Akinfeev 11. Chumpitaz(injured) 12. Kaká 13. Júlio César 14. David Villa 15. L. Ronaldo 16. Eusebio 17. Van der Sar 18. P. Maldini
- Tuppet - 1.C. Ronaldo 2. J. Cruyff (injured) 3. Krol 4. Vieira 5.
Griezmann6. Fabregas 7. Hamrin 8. Pirlo 9. Suurbier 10. Ze Roberto 11. Bossis 12. Walter Samuel 13. Yashin 14. Tardelli 15. Messi 16. L Blanc 17. Drop 18. Shesternyov
- Jayvin - 1. R. Ferdinand 2. Neymar 3. Facchetti 4. M. Platini 5. De Gea 6. Roy Keane 7. Thuram 8. T Henry 9. A Robben 10. E. Davids(injured) 11. Rooney 12. Kocsis 13. Zmuda 14. P. Schmeichel 15. J. Stam 16. Jairzinho 17. Romario 18. Bozsik
- Pat_Mustard - 1. L Matthaus 2. E Figueroa 3. Rivaldo 4. D Alaba 5. J Johnstone 6. P Falcao 7. E Hazard 8. Dzajic 9. R Falcao 10. Amoros 11. Evra 12. J Oblak 13. Uwe Seeler 14. Blankenburg 15. Dasayev 16. P. Maldini
- DavidG - 1. F Baresi 2. Cafu 3. J Charles 4. Beckham 5. Vidic 6. Carlos 7. Bale 8. Gullit 9. De Rossi 10. Hugo Sanchez 11. Hugo Lloris 12. M. Dembele 13. C. Seedorf 14. S. Maier 15. Pele 16. N/A
- harms - 1 J Bozsik 2. B Charlton 3. Brehme 4. Zico 5. Vogts 6. Romario 7. T Finney 8. P McGrath 9. P Jennings 10. Ribery 11. D Da Guia 12. Kante 13. F. Hierro 14. M. Hummels 15. F. Rijkaard 16. A. Nesta
- MJJ/VivaJ - 1. G. Best 2. Garrincha 3. A$ Cole 4. D. Edwards 5. Law 6. D. Blanchflower 7. Sagnol 8. Passarella 9. Toldo 10. Overath 11. Ruggeri 12. Scirea 13. Drogba 14. Irwin 15. Di Stefano 16. N/A
I do, that's what I was going to tell @harms and then I remembered that
Mind you, you didn't vote at all. There's no way you would have voted the other team, for exactly the same reasons.I actually think it's odd when managers point out how their leftovers get picked up by others as an indication they had a great team. What they always have is enough great players, which get picked by various managers that often find a better use for them.
Skizzo and Annah starting to look like my All-time draft team
OK chaps, ready for the surprise before the draw?
AKA "Why always me?"
Diego, Franz and Edson in the same team? You're all fecked.
Sore losers, including me)
----------------Pele-------------------
-------Maradona------Mazzola---------
-----------Didi---------Rivera--------
Netto------Beckenbauer------Neeskens
-----Schwarzenbeck--Bergomi---------
Cortouis didn't make it into my final team, but I don't think that it's going to be a problem
-------Maradona------Mazzola---------
-----------Didi---------Rivera--------
Netto------Beckenbauer------Neeskens
-----Schwarzenbeck--Bergomi---------
Cortouis didn't make it into my final team, but I don't think that it's going to be a problem
HATCHET MEN INTERFERENCE
This is a bamboozling event to showcase the importance of sportsmanship (or not being daft enough to get caught) and a manager's ability to react and effectively deal with a contingency.
At Half Time, during both semifinals, exactly 12 hours after kick off, a player will get sent off. Only one, from either team.
In order to qualify for the randomisation, a player must have picked up 5 reds over their career (straight or double-yellow). Every five reds, they get a ticket in the draw.
As an exception, the manager losing a player will be allowed 1 substitution.
Ground rules:
- All draft followers are strongly encouraged to vote in the first half based on how they see the game working out as laid out.
- After the change, you can change your vote if it has/hasn't had a material impact (as we know, teams often survive reds unscathed, it's just the tactics that change).
- The teamsheets on the first page shall stay the same, only those following the draft will take notice and potentially change their vote (we don't trust scan voters, basically).
- Each manager will submit the list for the rival team based on www.worldfootball.net. As we know, for a lot of oldies we won't have great records, if you can find match details adding up to 5 or more they will be examined, but no other site will be considered as a source of discrepancies. In any case, oldies got away with murder and reds were rare anyway (and not so old, Gentile would not participate in this!).
- The ref may later decide to balance things out during the second half, as they often do. Do not count on it as the basis for this is a pre-established secret formula set by the mods, we have no discretion as to whether to activate this or not.
Not enough central players
@antohan what happens if you don't have a like for like replacement on the bench? Makes no sense the better team, that is leading in the score, to lose, because you fielded a striker at right back due to the roll of the dice
Great stuff - excellent addition to the mix.
@antohan what happens if you don't have a like for like replacement on the bench? Makes no sense the better team, that is leading in the score, to lose, because you fielded a striker at right back due to the roll of the dice
Your problem given:
1) You picked a potential liability
2) You didn't get strength in depth across the squad
3) Your best solution to losing a right back is sticking a striker there
It's exactly how it can pan out in real life. We left it for the semis as squads should be large enough by now to cope with such eventualities.
I think is an excellent idea, but not for the particular draft, or one that is near to its end. As Edgar mentioned I think after the initial drafting finished - changes to the rules would be kept to a minimum, hence everybody picked players to cover their weaknesses, not squad depth.
In real life you have a 24-25 man squad that is compiled for the course of a season which you'd know that all players are most likely to take part in it, but you know it beforehand(still there are idiots that go in a season with only one senior striker in Rooney, but that's another matter) during the transfer period.
Even if you don't have senior players you have youth, academy, specialized in the exact position and you take them on the bench. Here you have sometimes exact number of defenders, full backs, even keepers. It rewards more those who stacked GOAT's that would be benched rather than team balance.
For example in my case it's better to pick Best and bench him due to one of Dinho/Eusebio possibly getting send off, rather than keeper for team balance.
On the other hand it's a great idea for next drafts as it brings a lot of realism and with bigger teams that can be achieved from the off - you also pick squad players or versatile players that can do a great job, albeit inferior quality.
I think you can even take it further with injuries mid game on random principle and you have to bring a sub on. Say near the 60th minute (15th hour or something) you randomize one player that has to be taken off(even GK).
In this way you also can put a preliminary 16 men squad along with your tactics (5 subs) for all players who can enter the game later on. Tell me if I took it too far.
Having said that I think this idea is really great for next drafts especially if it can be put to action properly so well done you both!
It is harsh on Enigma after that VDS pick. And to stick the knife in a bit further... even moreso when I don't really rate VDS any higher than Julio Cesar - wins on longevity and overall class, but peak performance the Brazilian might just edge him.
Still it is a monopoly draft and random chaos was always part of the deal between manager and draft overlord.
Still it is a monopoly draft and random chaos was always part of the deal between manager and draft overlord.
I think is an excellent idea, but not for the particular draft, or one that is near to its end. As Edgar mentioned I think after the initial drafting finished - changes to the rules would be kept to a minimum, hence everybody picked players to cover their weaknesses, not squad depth.
In real life you have a 24-25 man squad that is compiled for the course of a season which you'd know that all players are most likely to take part in it, but you know it beforehand(still there are idiots that go in a season with only one senior striker in Rooney, but that's another matter) during the transfer period.
Even if you don't have senior players you have youth, academy, specialized in the exact position and you take them on the bench. Here you have sometimes exact number of defenders, full backs, even keepers. It rewards more those who stacked GOAT's that would be benched rather than team balance.
For example in my case it's better to pick Best and bench him due to one of Dinho/Eusebio possibly getting send off, rather than keeper for team balance.
Neither takes part in the event, I doubt they picked up 5 red cards during their careers (edit: looks like Dinho was a bad boy, 8 reds = 1 ticket in the draw). That is the point. You pick Paolo Montero, you get Paolo Montero, the good and the bad. You pick Bossis? No problem. It's a more fair reflection of the players picked.
On the other hand it's a great idea for next drafts as it brings a lot of realism and with bigger teams that can be achieved from the off - you also pick squad players or versatile players that can do a great job, albeit inferior quality.
I think you can even take it further with injuries mid game on random principle and you have to bring a sub on. Say near the 60th minute (15th hour or something) you randomize one player that has to be taken off(even GK).
In this way you also can put a preliminary 16 men squad along with your tactics (5 subs) for all players who can enter the game later on. Tell me if I took it too far.
Having said that I think this idea is really great for next drafts especially if it can be put to action properly so well done you both!
It's boring if everyone has been warned. In fact, I wouldn't make it a permanent fixture necessarily, but a possibility that you choose to factor in or not when going full muppet piling up #10s.
And no, for all the squirming, no "next draft" in it.
Nah I don't have problems with whatever anto and Edgar decide. You'd cope with what's in front of you, just sharing my thoughts
on a side note I think you are the only one who rates Julio Cesar around here, or at least my impression from last game.
Ronnie is also probably the only player to have been sent off that many times with a smile
Draw ? @antohan @Edgar Allan Pillow
I'm leaving it for Edgar to do the honours, it's his draft after all! Have you finished your red card research?
Evil and smart. Well done
Well it's probably a smart move from a voting perspective. VdS is a more credible member of the top tier of goalkeepers than Julio Cesar on the Caf at least. As for the man himself, I'd rank him as the best keeper in the world during 2008/09 and 2009/10. He won Serie A keeper of the year both seasons ahead of Buffon, while Casillas started to get error prone again in the autumn of 2008/09. And very influential in Inter's treble climaxing with that save from Messi in the Nou Camp.Nah I don't have problems with whatever anto and Edgar decide. You'd cope with what's in front of you, just sharing my thoughts
on a side note I think you are the only one who rates Julio Cesar around here, or at least my impression from last game.
Julio Cesar was a fine keeper but his peak is way too short (albeit being arguably the best goalie in the world behind a sturdy defensive unit) to be even compared with VdS imo - mind you, I do rate VdS higher than others.
Aren't these things meant to be judged on 3 year peaks though?
Aye but career peak and the player's longevity are always judged in fine balance, subject to each individual's preference. For instance, Falcao was the best centre forward in the game for a good couple of seasons or thereabouts, however his career isn't all that when we look at the entirety of it. Or Sneijder for example.
Yeah I know but if we're going to ask voters to judge based on 3 year peak then that's exactly what should be judged.
Simplified example.
Player A has 3 consecutive seasons of world class form. Then does nothing much with his career.
Player B has 5 best player in the world seasons but they all come once every 3 years. Whilst his other seasons are just good.
Player A should be judged as the better player. Otherwise what is the point in having the 3 year peak stipulation.
Just so you're aware I have raised this issue before and I'm not just picking at this particular instance.