Las Vegas Monopoly Draft

Gio said:
Yeah, I'm not actually a big fan of proper wingers on both sides, particularly in any side that wants to get a hold of the ball. Most drafts usually end for me ranting away about how full-backs overlap on the outside channel while most modern wingers or wide attackers will cut into the inside-left/right channels. Ultimately you want a mix so you've got all angles of attack, all five channels of the park, covered and not duplicated.
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Yups, that's the idea. I usually only have one B2B midfielder and another holding (cue @Aldo telling me that is zona mista again :lol: ) so you need one progressive fullback to complete the setup:

Santos/Facchetti - OL
Rivelino - IL
Di Stefano - C
Falcão - IR
Best - OR

Rivelino can go down the outside channel to stretch a defence, but it's not his natural game, he he won't do it consistently enough... and he is imperious in the IL channel so why feck around with him?
 
antohan said:
I love watching that. In full flight it is far more entertaining, but not as effective or adaptable.
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Possibly, reason I suggested that here - I went with something similar myself - was to build the side around Marco, which I thought I did to an extent, especially with partnering him with a great second striker like he was at Milan. This system would suit him more as opposed to the regular Zona Mista-ish that I normally agree is good to have in these things.
 
antohan said:
Yups, that's the idea. I usually only have one B2B midfielder and another holding (cue @Aldo telling me that is zona mista again :lol: ) so you need one progressive fullback to complete the setup:

Santos/Facchetti - OL
Rivelino - IL
Di Stefano - C
Falcão - IR
Best - OR

Rivelino can go down the outside channel to stretch a defence, but it's not his natural game, he he won't do it consistently enough... and he is imperious in the IL channel so why feck around with him?
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I think Rivelino is your biggest issue with Di Stefano in the center of things. An outside left or even a workhorse in terms of Nedved/Zagallo would fit you best(apart from Giggs) IMO.
 
Gio said:
Yeah, I'm not actually a big fan of proper wingers on both sides, particularly in any side that wants to get a hold of the ball. Most drafts usually end for me ranting away about how full-backs overlap on the outside channel while most modern wingers or wide attackers will cut into the inside-left/right channels. Ultimately you want a mix so you've got all angles of attack, all five channels of the park, covered and not duplicated.
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antohan said:
Santos/Facchetti - OL
Rivelino - IL
Di Stefano - C
Falcão - IR
Best - OR
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Pffft. Sacchi and Ferguson won everything under the sun without bothering themselves with any of that.

What you need is a mobile front two that can cover those 'channels' as well as multifaceted wide players.

Also, a lot of times having an 'inside playmaker' with a #10 leads to a lot of duplication and stepping on each others feet, as well. People brush it off as 'they'd play off each other, dovetail well etc' but that may or may not be ideal depending on who you have. There'd be times you'd be begging for some width and you have a line of three playmakers all doing the same. Pros and cons and all that.
 
Enigma_87 said:
I think Rivelino is your biggest issue with Di Stefano in the center of things. An outside left or even a workhorse in terms of Nedved/Zagallo would fit you best(apart from Giggs) IMO.
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Hmmm... I don't think Rivelino is the sort that can't play with other #10s or needs to be the centre of all moves... but I'd agree that with Di Stefano there some of his better qualities may be redundant and a grafter could work better.

It's been the same since the beginning, everything else is done and dusted, it was the defensive LB-Rivelino-Didí I wasn't happy with and after changing Didí I'm still not happy.
 
DavidG said:
It'll be close, Don't think either of us should set up to deal with the opposition and just let people decide who'd score the most goals
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There will be some minimal changes based on your midfield opposed to my previous game with Joga and mazhar but noting major. Looking at the reinforcement round you also have a like for like replacement probably so it would be straightforward.
 
antohan said:
Hmmm... I don't think Rivelino is the sort that can't play with other #10s or needs to be the centre of all moves... but I'd agree that with Di Stefano there some of his better qualities may be redundant and a grafter could work better.

It's been the same since the beginning, everything else is done and dusted, it was the defensive LB-Rivelino-Didí I wasn't happy with and after changing Didí I'm still not happy.
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yeah it didn't change much of your game plan with the exception of adding Di Stefano there. Rivelino worked with 3 other AM's in that 1970 team but it's almost impossible IMO to create the same functional unit. They just clicked as they were. Having a defensive full backs with Best, outside left 2 holding(in your case one holding and one box to box) is pretty good, Di Stefano and Puskas interchanging would be the best fit in terms of final worthy team that would require the least number of tinkering - practically only Puskas and an outside left or left grafter.

With flair teams I'd generally go in a 4-3-3 4-2-3-1 of sorts, defending as a unit and having 7 players at least that would put a shift in, but without a dedicated DM in Makelele type and your decision to bench him I liked a lot. I'm pretty happy with my team as it is and it's generally what I'd wanted in the beginning with 3 main goalscoring threats in attack Eusebio, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho - 3 midfielders that are commanding and complete ones that contribute in both phases and a solid back four with 1 full back tucked in and one more attacking one where the flank is a bit narrower in attack.

Going through the team you have compiled I can see you want the same thing basically although with more attacking left back and tucked in attacker but more advanced 3rd midfielder in Di Stefano. Facchetti can give you a lot of options tho - you can swap Rivelino with an inside left forward (loads of quality), push Di Stefano higher up and accommodate another midfielder for more control.
 
Enigma_87 said:
With flair teams I'd generally go in a 4-3-3 4-2-3-1 of sorts, defending as a unit and having 7 players at least that would put a shift in, but without a dedicated DM in Makelele type and your decision to bench him I liked a lot. I'm pretty happy with my team as it is and it's generally what I'd wanted in the beginning with 3 main goalscoring threats in attack Eusebio, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho - 3 midfielders that are commanding and complete ones that contribute in both phases and a solid back four with 1 full back tucked in and one more attacking one where the flank is a bit narrower in attack.
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Onenil asked me how I would have lined up against him and I told him Makelele was still on the bench. The point with him is to try take out a #!0, so it would be an obvious play against Maradona... except that he also had all sorts of shit going on with Ronaldo, Breitner, Zizinho... Yes, maybe he can take out Maradona, but so what? The rest would still be able to inflict massive damage, so I'd rather have a concerted team effort than "Abracadabra, Makelele is on Maradona". That would work against Argentina '86, probably Napoli as well, but not these teams with various phenomenal players.

Going through the team you have compiled I can see you want the same thing basically although with more attacking left back and tucked in attacker but more advanced 3rd midfielder in Di Stefano. Facchetti can give you a lot of options tho - you can swap Rivelino with an inside left forward (loads of quality), push Di Stefano higher up and accommodate another midfielder for more control.
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I could play ADS upfront and keep Didí where he was. I rate Seeler though, clearly more than the average draft junkie.
 
antohan said:
Onenil asked me how I would have lined up against him and I told him Makelele was still on the bench. The point with him is to try take out a #!0, so it would be an obvious play against Maradona... except that he also had all sorts of shit going on with Ronaldo, Breitner, Zizinho... Yes, maybe he can take out Maradona, but so what? The rest would still be able to inflict massive damage, so I'd rather have a concerted team effort than "Abracadabra, Makelele is on Maradona". That would work against Argentina '86, probably Napoli as well, but not these teams with various phenomenal players.
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This. In a nutshell.
antohan said:
I could play ADS upfront and keep Didí where he was. I rate Seeler though, clearly more than the average draft junkie.
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Yeah - you can do that of course, Seeler offers a lot on the table without ruining your tactical concept.
 
Downcast said:
I know he's a GOAT but I've asked this question in order to know his style of play.
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I wouldn't say he's a GOAT. I'd probably compare him to Marzolini level - a defensive fullback with the additional option of playing on either side and more physical style of play.
 
antohan said:
That would work against Argentina '86, probably Napoli as well, but not these teams with various phenomenal players.
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Probably not to a great extent either. Makélélé, as much as I rate him and I do, Diego isn't exactly the type of #10 who you'd think the Frenchman having a great time against. As a reference, someone like Zidane would have a nightmare with him constantly shadowing him throughout a match but you'd need someone far more mobile and horizontal coverage against Diego. We all know about the famous 'bypass Makélélé' tactic and without even having to go there, Diego's dribbling at blistering pace and acceleration would be a bit too much for him to handle as a man-marker/destroyer. Usually players who have excelled in a marking mission against Maradona have been a lot more athletic and mobile with all due respect to the French DM.

In fairness there's no one who can contain Diego's peak all round game 1v1 but you'd hope for the best by putting someone rather suited to doing the job.
 
Annahnomoss said:
Can we re roll the matches? I refuse acknowledging my boyfriends ex. If this goes wild it is on your hands EAP, I can smell blood from a mile away.
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:lol: He's loving this.

Skizzo said:
Saturday or Sunday would probably be best, if that works mate! Otherwise I'll be off again during the week.
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How about Sunday mate? I don't think I'll be around that much, but I'm not sure how much difference it'll make versus fecking Maradona, Beckenbauer and friends anyway :nervous:
 
Pat_Mustard said:
:lol: He's loving this.
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At least he waited for the second match before his obvious match fixing occurred :lol:



How about Sunday mate? I don't think I'll be around that much, but I'm not sure how much difference it'll make versus fecking Maradona, Beckenbauer and friends anyway :nervous:
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Sunday works. I'll probably be in and out myself, but it's more than I'll have after that :lol: and I wouldn't worry too much when you have Don Elias, Maldini, and Matthaus knocking around.
 
harms said:
If you're alright with Monday, let's do it Monday. I'll have a lot of work later that week
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Sounds good.

Sat, 05-Nov:
Sun, 07-Nov:
Mon, 08-Nov: Harms vs Tuppet
Tue, 09-Nov: Enigma vs DavidG
Wed, 10-Nov:
Thu, 11-Nov:
Fri, 12-Nov:
 
Skizzo said:
I was just kidding mate ;) I know you're not that shady. Despite my previous claims of your snake oil salesmanship in match threads :)
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Aldo said:
Pffft. Sacchi and Ferguson won everything under the sun without bothering themselves with any of that.

What you need is a mobile front two that can cover those 'channels' as well as multifaceted wide players.

Also, a lot of times having an 'inside playmaker' with a #10 leads to a lot of duplication and stepping on each others feet, as well. People brush it off as 'they'd play off each other, dovetail well etc' but that may or may not be ideal depending on who you have. There'd be times you'd be begging for some width and you have a line of three playmakers all doing the same. Pros and cons and all that.
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Hmm. I've been thinking about this and I think that Sacchi naturally has that covered. I think his tactical system very much focused on things like the different channels and angles of attack. I always saw Sacchi as a master of spacial play and position. He controls the space on the pitch and then exploits it. I don't think he thought of the game like Pep or the modern German group but rather an evolution of the traditional Italian systems like zona mista into something different and more direct and controlled. I think it was the prototype of modern counter-pressing in a lot of ways focusing on limiting the space of opponents with zonal marking and training the transitional play. I think he spent a lot of time focusing on manipulating the channels in transition. I think his formation and strategy of compacting space in a zonal marking pretty much leads to focusing on exposing different channels.
 
I'll be on a train for the next 2 days with limited or no access to internet. So rather than the 2 out of 4 reinforcement, it'll just be 2 straight reinforcement rolls for the winners.

I'll PM the rolls to anto/harms to announce. Please agree on the SF dates once completed.
 
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