Las Vegas Monopoly Draft

[P-Nut]

Suprise round you say....

 

[antohan]

@antohan and other 'shadowers' probably more interesting if you were to form a team with picks not taken by the person you are shadowing.. so like if MJJ took Best then you can't take him etc.

BTW, I'm actually testing this as an option for the usual problem of people signing up late. With a first round of ranking prior to quarters between the top 8 clearly not finding much favour, we are back to square one re: number of managers being fixed and every man and his dog becoming an AM.

In variations of this format specifically (doesn't work with sheep, auction, etc. should be fine for snakes though). Why not have 16 signing up and then any spillovers choosing or being assigned a manager to shadow? What you can have then is a preliminary round whereby shadows play vs. the designated manager? Whoever drafted better stays on. There's two minor glitches:

1) The teams could be very similar (but if you do it your way that's a major handicap for shadows)
2) Since the shadow picks don't withdraw players from the pool you could end up with more than one side sporting the same player. Not a biggie, so long as when shadow teams crash out they only release their unique players (i.e. those no one picked or the ones they shared with the original manager) into the reinforcement pool.

It's not too complicated and would allow 18, 19 or 25 managers.

 

[Gio]

Tim Vickery was getting excited there for a moment.

 

[Gio]

Re the debate about odd numbers of managers. Don't see this as a problem. If we get 20 people interested, play a preliminary round of four ties to get to 16 teams. I'd be quite interested in a larger-than-the-normal 16-team draft, just to mix up the ebb and flow a bit. Could be properly chaotic with a sheep or criteria-based draft.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

1. P-Nut - 1. F. Totti
2. MJJ/VivaJ - 1. G. Best
3. Skizzo/Annah - 1. F. Beckenbauer
4. Raees/Invictus - 1. L. Messi
5. Aldo - 1. Pelé
6. Onenil - 1. Maradona
   
7. Enigma_87 - 1. Ronaldinho
   
8. Tuppet - 1.C. Ronaldo
9. Chesterlestreet - 1. J Zanetti 2. A Di Stefano
   
10. DavidG - 1. F. Baresi 2. Cafu
11. harms - 1. Rv Persie 2. Robben
12. Jayvin - 1. R. Ferdinand 2. Neymar
13. Joga/mazhar13 - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. F. Puskas
14. Pat_Mustard - 1. L. Matthaus 2. E. Figueroa
    
15. RedTiger/Sjor Bepo/Marty - 1. Hansen 2. Drop 3.
16. crappy - 1. Neuer 2. Zidane

@Tuppet

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

It's not too complicated and would allow 18, 19 or 25 managers.

larger-than-the-normal 16-team draft

There are different factors to consider here

1) Type of pool. - Ideally an all time or open pool would be necessary. If we do it in a closed pool, we may end up scraping the barrel to say and that would take away interest in the draft.
2) Match Count - More managers means more matches. Considering the lack of interest and need to amend match thread, I'm not sure if this would add value.
3) Odd men out - Only certain managers will have extra round. It will be random, but not sure if it's equal to all.

 

[antohan]

1. Chesterlestreet - 1. J Zanetti 2. A Di Stefano[/USER]

Feck. I'm so not bothered about what others do that I didn't even check or realise he could get picked. Balls, never had Don Alfredo.

 

[antohan]

There are different factors to consider here

1) Type of pool. - Ideally an all time or open pool would be necessary. If we do it in a closed pool, we may end up scraping the barrel to say and that would take away interest in the draft.
2) Match Count - More managers means more matches. Considering the lack of interest and need to amend match thread, I'm not sure if this would add value.
3) Odd men out - Only certain managers will have extra round. It will be random, but not sure if it's equal to all.

1) You don't end up scraping the barrel. Every shadow manager is picking from what is available at the same time as the designated one. You don't need bigger pools than the one available, just has that side-effect that you may get several clones materialising.

2) Maybe the Shadow vs. Designated can be dealt with more succintly (rank/short poll).

3) Don't see a big issue with that. Frankly, people just want to draft and the games are a necessary evil to elicit certain discussions. By the way, there's no way I want this trialed now. No games for me, thank you very much.

It would actually be very interesting to see how different teams materialise from managers in the exact same picking order, box and pools available. Chester just screwed it up a little bit though, I was hoping for a fork here with MJJ but we'll probably end up with the same geezer now (again).

 

[Tuppet]

1. P-Nut - 1. F. Totti
2. MJJ/VivaJ - 1. G. Best
3. Skizzo/Annah - 1. F. Beckenbauer
4. Raees/Invictus - 1. L. Messi
5. Aldo - 1. Pelé
6. Onenil - 1. Maradona
   
7. Enigma_87 - 1. Ronaldinho
   
8. Tuppet - 1.C. Ronaldo 2. Johan Cruyff
9. Chesterlestreet - 1. J Zanetti 2. A Di Stefano
   
10. DavidG - 1. F. Baresi 2. Cafu
11. harms - 1. Rv Persie 2. Robben
12. Jayvin - 1. R. Ferdinand 2. Neymar
13. Joga/mazhar13 - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. F. Puskas
14. Pat_Mustard - 1. L. Matthaus 2. E. Figueroa
    
15. RedTiger/Sjor Bepo/Marty - 1. Hansen 2. Drop 3.
16. crappy - 1. Neuer 2. Zidane

@Enigma_87

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

OK, here comes the Surprise Round: All Managers are requested to predict what number they'll roll the coming turn and post it in the thread. Next round will not start until all managers submit their entry.

- If you get it exactly right, your prize will be:

Spoiler: Winner

And the worst prediction (determined by the difference between prediction and reality) will earn themselves:

Spoiler: SURPRISE !!!!

Note: These may not be a winner at all, but there definitely will be a loser. Just the way I like it The Players will be added to your team and will count towards your 14 players quota.

In case of multiple hits, I'll determine the winner/loser by randomized draw.

NOTE: These special rounds players cannot be dropped in Box 13.

 

[RedTiger]

 

[RedTiger]

It's 2 six sided dice yeah?

 

[Enigma_87]

1. P-Nut - 1. F. Totti
2. MJJ/VivaJ - 1. G. Best
3. Skizzo/Annah - 1. F. Beckenbauer
4. Raees/Invictus - 1. L. Messi
5. Aldo - 1. Pelé
6. Onenil - 1. Maradona
   
7. Enigma_87 - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi
   
8. Tuppet - 1.C. Ronaldo 2. Johan Cruyff
9. Chesterlestreet - 1. J Zanetti 2. A Di Stefano
   
10. DavidG - 1. F. Baresi 2. Cafu
11. harms - 1. Rv Persie 2. Robben
12. Jayvin - 1. R. Ferdinand 2. Neymar
13. Joga/mazhar13 - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. F. Puskas
14. Pat_Mustard - 1. L. Matthaus 2. E. Figueroa
    
15. RedTiger/Sjor Bepo/Marty - 1. Hansen 2. Drop 3.
16. crappy - 1. Neuer 2. Zidane

@oneniltothearsenal

 

[Enigma_87]

I don't get it (the surprise round I mean)

 

[antohan]

@Edgar Allan Pillow what happens if more than one manager gets it right or many get the same distance from right answer? (very likely to happen)

This is where you can have clones again

As a shadow manager I'll abide by whatever fortune @MJJ strikes and reserve the right to call him names after.

BTW, very similar to a bonus round I had in mind for Bamboozle, except they had to pick a stop in the London Underground and the one closest to my first digs in London would get the bonus. It's not random luck, you can strategise about it wondering how posh or not anto is

 

[Tuppet]

@Edgar Allan Pillow How the ties would be broken for special round ? That is many people predicting correct / similarly worse roll.

 

[antohan]

I don't get it (the surprise round I mean)

If you guess right you get Yashin (it's a keeper so won't make a huge difference, although @Stobzilla will disagree). If you get it wrong you have some useless bag of shit on the bench to serve refreshments for everyone.

 

[RedTiger]

We'll roll a 7.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

@Edgar Allan Pillow what happens if more than one manager gets it right or many get the same distance from right answer? (very likely to happen)

@Edgar Allan Pillow How the ties would be broken for special round ? That is many people predicting correct / similarly worse roll.

I'll randomize it announce the winner/loser.

 

[VivaJanuzaj]

1) You don't end up scraping the barrel. Every shadow manager is picking from what is available at the same time as the designated one. You don't need bigger pools than the one available, just has that side-effect that you may get several clones materialising.

2) Maybe the Shadow vs. Designated can be dealt with more succintly (rank/short poll).

3) Don't see a big issue with that. Frankly, people just want to draft and the games are a necessary evil to elicit certain discussions. By the way, there's no way I want this trialed now. No games for me, thank you very much.

It would actually be very interesting to see how different teams materialise from managers in the exact same picking order, box and pools available. Chester just screwed it up a little bit though, I was hoping for a fork here with MJJ but we'll probably end up with the same geezer now (again).

How about shadow managers changing picks midway as they see how rest have drafted? If it's not followed by someone on what shadow managers pick in the process it may cause problems. Plus, I'm not entirely sure what happens if we do get the same 5-6 players and they are all crucial ones - how do we replace them?



@Edgar Allan Pillow what happens if more than 1 player guesses his roll correctly?

EDIT: Just saw you answered it. Plus anto, I'm with Gio on this that more than 16 players can play as long as everyone can commit to being active.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Just submitted mine by PM. Is that how we're doing it or should we just post it here?

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

SURPRISE ROUND SUBMISSIONS:

1. P-Nut -
2. MJJ -
3. Skizzo/Annah -
4. Raees/Invictus -
5. Aldo -
6. Onenil -
7. Enigma_87 -
8. Tuppet -
9. Chesterlestreet -
10. DavidG -
11. harms -
12. Jayvin -
13. Joga/mazhar13 -
14. Pat_Mustard - 7
15. RedTiger/Sjor Bepo/Marty - 7
16. crappy -

 

[Pat_Mustard]

SURPRISE ROUND SUBMISSIONS:

1. P-Nut -
2. MJJ -
3. Skizzo/Annah -
4. Raees/Invictus -
5. Aldo -
6. Onenil -
7. Enigma_87 -
8. Tuppet -
9. Chesterlestreet -
10. DavidG -
11. harms -
12. Jayvin -
13. Joga/mazhar13 -
14. Pat_Mustard - 7
15. RedTiger/Sjor Bepo/Marty - 7
16. crappy -

 

[Enigma_87]

If you guess right you get Yashin (it's a keeper so won't make a huge difference, although @Stobzilla will disagree). If you get it wrong you have some useless bag of shit on the bench to serve refreshments for everyone.

Ah thanks. So it's either Yashin or Djemba X2 in particular.

Will it affect the next picks or you just get that bonus player and 1 pick less in the end?

 

[Gio]

Isn't the shadow draft a bit like wanking in the corner while watching your wife get pummeled by another man on your king-size bed?

 

[Tuppet]

SURPRISE ROUND SUBMISSIONS:

1. P-Nut -
2. MJJ -
3. Skizzo/Annah -
4. Raees/Invictus -
5. Aldo -
6. Onenil -
7. Enigma_87 -
8. Tuppet - 10
9. Chesterlestreet -
10. DavidG -
11. harms -
12. Jayvin -
13. Joga/mazhar13 -
14. Pat_Mustard - 7
15. RedTiger/Sjor Bepo/Marty - 7
16. crappy -

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Will it affect the next picks or you just get that bonus player and 1 pick less in the end?

Player will be allocated at end of this round (before next round begins). They'll be your 14th player, so yeah, you'll lose a pick in the end...but Yashin as 14th pick is juicy. And losing means you waste a pick on Dx2

 

[harms]

SURPRISE ROUND SUBMISSIONS:

1. P-Nut -
2. MJJ -
3. Skizzo/Annah -
4. Raees/Invictus -
5. Aldo -
6. Onenil -
7. Enigma_87 -
8. Tuppet - 10
9. Chesterlestreet -
10. DavidG -
11. harms - 9
12. Jayvin -
13. Joga/mazhar13 -
14. Pat_Mustard - 7
15. RedTiger/Sjor Bepo/Marty - 7
16. crappy -

 

[Chesterlestreet]

SURPRISE ROUND SUBMISSIONS:

1. P-Nut -
2. MJJ -
3. Skizzo/Annah -
4. Raees/Invictus -
5. Aldo -
6. Onenil -
7. Enigma_87 -
8. Tuppet - 10
   
9. Chesterlestreet - 13
   
10. DavidG -
11. harms - 9
    
12. Jayvin -
13. Joga/mazhar13 -
14. Pat_Mustard - 7
15. RedTiger/Sjor Bepo/Marty - 7
16. crappy -

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Isn't the shadow draft a bit like wanking in the corner while watching your wife get pummeled by another man on your king-size bed?

 

[antohan]

How about shadow managers changing picks midway as they see how rest have drafted? If it's not followed by someone on what shadow managers pick in the process it may cause problems.

PM draftmaster or say it on the thread. The former may be better in order not to confuse the easily confused (e.g. if I pick Isabelino Gradín next he is still available for others to pick, only designated managers withdraw players from the pool).

 

[antohan]

Isn't the shadow draft a bit like wanking in the corner while watching your wife get pummeled by another man on your king-size bed?

Doesn't feel like that at all. The dynamic is very different as I'm not bothered what others do as I won't have to play them. All I'm doing is drafting without a care in the world.

It's just a great wank really.

 

[Enigma_87]

SURPRISE ROUND SUBMISSIONS:

1. P-Nut -
2. MJJ -
3. Skizzo/Annah -
4. Raees/Invictus -
5. Aldo -
6. Onenil -
7. Enigma_87 - 3
   
8. Tuppet - 10
9. Chesterlestreet -
10. DavidG -
11. harms - 9
12. Jayvin -
13. Joga/mazhar13 -
14. Pat_Mustard - 7
15. RedTiger/Sjor Bepo/Marty - 7
16. crappy -

@Chesterlestreet I think the pick should be less than 13?

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Isn't the shadow draft a bit like wanking in the corner while watching your wife get pummeled by another man on your king-size bed?

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

How about shadow managers changing picks midway as they see how rest have drafted? If it's not followed by someone on what shadow managers pick in the process it may cause problems. Plus, I'm not entirely sure what happens if we do get the same 5-6 players and they are all crucial ones - how do we replace them?

Shadow managers is not a fleshed out concept. For the purpose of this draft, it'll just be those not participating to keep themselves interested. Their presence will not impact this draft and they will not be allowed to post their teams till drafting is over. Once done, it can be used to see if the participating manager could have drafted better or something like that.

 

[Moby]

Isn't the shadow draft a bit like wanking in the corner while watching your wife get pummeled by another man on your king-size bed?

 

[Moby]

10 @Edgar Allan Pillow

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

SURPRISE ROUND SUBMISSIONS:

1. P-Nut -
2. MJJ -
3. Skizzo/Annah -
4. Raees/Invictus -
5. Aldo - 10
6. Onenil -
7. Enigma_87 - 3
   
8. Tuppet - 10
9. Chesterlestreet - 13
10. DavidG -
11. harms - 9
12. Jayvin -
13. Joga/mazhar13 -
14. Pat_Mustard - 7
15. RedTiger/Sjor Bepo/Marty - 7
16. crappy -

 

[Deleted member 101472]

1. P-Nut -
2. MJJ -
3. Skizzo/Annah -
4. Raees/Invictus -
5. Aldo - 10
6. Onenil -
7. Enigma_87 -
8. Tuppet - 10
   
9. Chesterlestreet - 13
   
10. DavidG - 7
11. harms - 9
    
12. Jayvin -
13. Joga/mazhar13 -
14. Pat_Mustard - 7
15. RedTiger/Sjor Bepo/Marty - 7
16. crappy -

 

[antohan]

Shadow managers is not a fleshed out concept. For the purpose of this draft, it'll just be those not participating to keep themselves interested. Their presence will not impact this draft and they will not be allowed to post their teams till drafting is over. Once done, it can be used to see if the participating manager could have drafted better or something like that.

BTW, I'm actually testing this as an option for the usual problem of people signing up late. With a first round of ranking prior to quarters between the top 8 clearly not finding much favour, we are back to square one re: number of managers being fixed and every man and his dog becoming an AM.

In variations of this format specifically (doesn't work with sheep, auction, etc. should be fine for snakes though). Why not have 16 signing up and then any spillovers choosing or being assigned a manager to shadow? What you can have then is a preliminary round whereby shadows play vs. the designated manager? Whoever drafted better stays on. There's two minor glitches:

1) The teams could be very similar (but if you do it your way that's a major handicap for shadows)
2) Since the shadow picks don't withdraw players from the pool you could end up with more than one side sporting the same player. Not a biggie, so long as when shadow teams crash out they only release their unique players (i.e. those no one picked or the ones they shared with the original manager) into the reinforcement pool.

It's not too complicated and would allow 18, 19 or 25 managers.