Las Vegas Monopoly Draft

I usually have this default bias against @Pat_Mustard for his partnership with the despicable @Skizzo . So ignoring any/all data, I'll just disallow this pick. (Just Kidding. You can welcome PR Falcao to your team!)

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  1. P-Nut - 1. F. Totti 2. Iniesta 3. M. Laudrup 4. Nedved 5. Scholes 6. [Relax] 7. Lizarazu
  2. MJJ/VivaJ - 1. G. Best 2. Garrincha 3. A$ Cole 4. D. Edwards 5. Casilla 6. Law 7. D. Blanchflower
  3. Skizzo/Annah - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. Neeskens 3. Rivera 4. J. Hart 5. Lahm 6. [Drop] 7. Courtois
  4. Raees/Invictus - 1. L. Messi 2. M. Van Basten 3. [Drop] 4. B. Moore 5. Masopust 6. P. Čech 7. R. Baggio
  5. Aldo - 1. Pelé 2. L. Figo 3. F. Redondo 4. Henry 5. [Relax] 6. M. van Basten 7. [Drop]
  6. Onenil - 1. Maradona 2. L. Ronaldo 3. Kroos 4. [Relax] 5. Breitner 6. Marzolini 7. Verratti
  7. Enigma_87 - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Souness 4. B. Schuster 5. Dani Alves 6. [Relax] 7. KH. Schnellinger
  8. Tuppet - 1.C. Ronaldo 2. J. Cruyff 3. [Relax] 4. Krol 5. Vieira 6. Griezmann 7. Fabregas
  9. Chesterlestreet - 1. J. Zanetti 2. A. Di Stefano 3. Didi SURPRISE! Djemba-Djemba 4. J. Kohler 5. [Drop] 6. N. Santos 7. L. Blanc
  10. DavidG - 1. F. Baresi 2. Cafu 3. Aguero 4. J. Charles 5. [Drop] 6. Beckham 7. Vidic
  11. harms - 1. van Persie [Sacrificed] 2. A. Robben 3. J. Bozsik 4. B. Charlton 5. Brehme 6. Zico 7. Vogts
  12. Jayvin - 1. R. Ferdinand 2. Neymar 3. Facchetti 4. M. Platini 5. De Gea 6. Roy Keane 7. Thuram 8. T Henry
  13. Joga/mazhar13 - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. F. Puskas 3. S. Eto'O 4. Handanovic 5. Ballack 6. Schweinsteiger 7. [Drop] 8. Boniek
  14. Pat_Mustard - 1. L. Matthaus 2. E. Figueroa 3. R. Falcao 4. Rivaldo 5. D. Alaba 6. [Relax] 7. J. Johnstone 8. P. Falcao
  15. RedTiger/Sjor Bepo/Marty - 1. A. Hansen 2. [Drop] 3. P. Maldini 4. D. Santos 5. Stoichkov 6. KH. Förster 7. Eusebio 8. Robson
  16. crappy - 1. M. Neuer 2. Z. Zidane 3. KH. Rummenigge 4. G. Müller 5. Reuter 6. W. van Hanegem 7. Nesta 8. De Rossi
@harms
 
It's a ridiculously ambiguous term to begin with, of course.

By the strictest, old school definition, a "cap" is only awarded if you start the match.

But then, old schoolers don't like subs - a plague on it! It was the beginning of the end. After professionalism was the beggining of the end, that is.

And don't get me started on them offside rules.
 
However, we've had this criterion before - don't remember how it was defined then, but it's been used in criteria drafts before.

There's a difference between full internationals and other types of matches, for one thing.

But, in general, what various sources operate with as the standard for a "cap" is...well, anything, apparently.

Here, the stated standard is...anything.

You can't discount Olympic matches on general principle, for instance. That makes no sense. If Falcao featured in a mere youth capacity - in a Mickey Mouse tournament, as it were - in '72, for instance...then so did the winners of that tournament, who are otherwise recognized as having done a lot more than that (and rightly so).

It's not factually correct either, as the tournament in question wasn't U-23.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
However, we've had this criterion before - don't remember how it was defined then, but it's been used in criteria drafts before.

There's a difference between full internationals and other types of matches, for one thing.

But, in general, what various sources operate with as the standard for a "cap" is...well, anything, apparently.

Here, the stated standard is...anything.

You can't discount Olympic matches on general principle, for instance. That makes no sense. If Falcao featured in a mere youth capacity - in a Mickey Mouse tournament, as it were - in '72, for instance...then so did the winners of that tournament, who are otherwise recognized as having done a lot more than that (and rightly so).

It's not factually correct either, as the tournament in question wasn't U-23.
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Someone should DM Romario and ask him what he thinks the criteria for a cap should be.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
However, we've had this criterion before - don't remember how it was defined then, but it's been used in criteria drafts before.

There's a difference between full internationals and other types of matches, for one thing.

But, in general, what various sources operate with as the standard for a "cap" is...well, anything, apparently.

Here, the stated standard is...anything.

You can't discount Olympic matches on general principle, for instance. That makes no sense. If Falcao featured in a mere youth capacity - in a Mickey Mouse tournament, as it were - in '72, for instance...then so did the winners of that tournament, who are otherwise recognized as having done a lot more than that (and rightly so).

It's not factually correct either, as the tournament in question wasn't U-23.
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Olympics is a strange thing. I don't know how to formulate it even. Correct me if I'm wrong but apart from U23 you can also list 3 players that are over that age in the team, so it's kinda odd tournament to classify.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Olympics is a strange thing. I don't know how to formulate it even. Correct me if I'm wrong but apart from U23 you can also list 3 players that are over that age in the team, so it's kinda odd tournament to classify.
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Olympics is quite a prestigious event and it'll definitely count as NT cap. However in that link you posted there are 3 matches for Bicentenary unofficial which can be excluded bringing it back to 29 caps.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Olympics is a strange thing. I don't know how to formulate it even. Correct me if I'm wrong but apart from U23 you can also list 3 players that are over that age in the team, so it's kinda odd tournament to classify.
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Yes - now.

Not in 1972.

The average age of the '72 winners was well above 25. Precisely what the requirements were back then, I don't know - and the importance attached to the tournament no doubt varied from nation to nation. The Brazil roster looks far more youthful and inexperienced than Poland's - or East Germany's.

West Germany clearly didn't send their best - in spite of hosting the thing.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I usually have this default bias against @Pat_Mustard for his partnership with the despicable @Skizzo . So ignoring any/all data, I'll just disallow this pick. (Just Kidding. You can welcome PR Falcao to your team!)

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The white text fully got me on this and I've been waiting for you all to decide for ages.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Olympics is quite a prestigious event and it'll definitely count as NT cap. However in that link you posted there are 3 matches for Bicentenary unofficial which can be excluded bringing it back to 29 caps.
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I don't understand how this ruling gels with the original rule:

Box 15: CAP-LESS - Has less than 30 caps for National Team

- If played for multiple NT's then total of all must be less than 30 caps.
- Includes all caps (friendlies et al)
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Does that mean we could go through and exclude certain matches despite the rule being "Includes all caps (friendies et al)"? In that case the rule does not actually include all caps and should likely be changed in the OP?
 
:lol: it seems @Pat_Mustard hadn't got the white text either. I didn't.

Thirlled!

Oh, FFS, just google searched "wank into extasis" looking for that drawn gif and all sorts of porn came up. At work :o
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
I don't understand how this ruling gels with the original rule:



Does that mean we could go through and exclude certain matches despite the rule being "Includes all caps (friendies et al)"? In that case the rule does not actually include all caps and should likely be changed in the OP?
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Did you consider Falcao when you picked Marzolini earlier for this box?
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
I don't understand how this ruling gels with the original rule:

Does that mean we could go through and exclude certain matches despite the rule being "Includes all caps (friendies et al)"? In that case the rule does not actually include all caps and should likely be changed in the OP?
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If the Indian Superleague doesn't count, shite unofficial non-FIFA tournos shouldn't either.

Good luck working out his 30 caps mate :lol:
 
Aldo said:
Did you consider Falcao when you picked Marzolini earlier for this box?
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I wasn't able to consider anyone for that box as I had a small emergency then but I certainly would have formed a different list for that category if I knew the "include all" didn't actually include all.
 
antohan said:
If the Indian league doesn't count, shite unofficial non-FIFA tournos shouldn't either.

Good luck working out his 30 caps mate :lol:
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Oh I already noticed he was actually under but no worries, I couldn't have checked at the time anyway
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Olympics is quite a prestigious event and it'll definitely count as NT cap. However in that link you posted there are 3 matches for Bicentenary unofficial which can be excluded bringing it back to 29 caps.
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Only 2 matches listed as bicentennary unofficial fwiw, which makes his cap list 30.
 
I have no idea how he hasn't been picked yet :wenger:
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  1. P-Nut - 1. F. Totti 2. Iniesta 3. M. Laudrup 4. Nedved 5. Scholes 6. [Relax] 7. Lizarazu
  2. MJJ/VivaJ - 1. G. Best 2. Garrincha 3. A$ Cole 4. D. Edwards 5. Casilla 6. Law 7. D. Blanchflower
  3. Skizzo/Annah - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. Neeskens 3. Rivera 4. J. Hart 5. Lahm 6. [Drop] 7. Courtois
  4. Raees/Invictus - 1. L. Messi 2. M. Van Basten 3. [Drop] 4. B. Moore 5. Masopust 6. P. Čech 7. R. Baggio
  5. Aldo - 1. Pelé 2. L. Figo 3. F. Redondo 4. Henry 5. [Relax] 6. M. van Basten 7. [Drop]
  6. Onenil - 1. Maradona 2. L. Ronaldo 3. Kroos 4. [Relax] 5. Breitner 6. Marzolini 7. Verratti
  7. Enigma_87 - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Souness 4. B. Schuster 5. Dani Alves 6. [Relax] 7. KH. Schnellinger
  8. Tuppet - 1.C. Ronaldo 2. J. Cruyff 3. [Relax] 4. Krol 5. Vieira 6. Griezmann 7. Fabregas
  9. Chesterlestreet - 1. J. Zanetti 2. A. Di Stefano 3. Didi SURPRISE! Djemba-Djemba 4. J. Kohler 5. [Drop] 6. N. Santos 7. L. Blanc
  10. DavidG - 1. F. Baresi 2. Cafu 3. Aguero 4. J. Charles 5. [Drop] 6. Beckham 7. Vidic
  11. harms - 1. van Persie [Sacrificed] 2. A. Robben 3. J. Bozsik 4. B. Charlton 5. Brehme 6. Zico 7. Vogts 8. Romario
  12. Jayvin - 1. R. Ferdinand 2. Neymar 3. Facchetti 4. M. Platini 5. De Gea 6. Roy Keane 7. Thuram 8. T Henry
  13. Joga/mazhar13 - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. F. Puskas 3. S. Eto'O 4. Handanovic 5. Ballack 6. Schweinsteiger 7. [Drop] 8. Boniek
  14. Pat_Mustard - 1. L. Matthaus 2. E. Figueroa 3. R. Falcao 4. Rivaldo 5. D. Alaba 6. [Relax] 7. J. Johnstone 8. P. Falcao
  15. RedTiger/Sjor Bepo/Marty - 1. A. Hansen 2. [Drop] 3. P. Maldini 4. D. Santos 5. Stoichkov 6. KH. Förster 7. Eusebio 8. Robson
  16. crappy - 1. M. Neuer 2. Z. Zidane 3. KH. Rummenigge 4. G. Müller 5. Reuter 6. W. van Hanegem 7. Nesta 8. De Rossi
@DavidG
 
Tuppet said:
Only 2 matches listed as bicentennary unofficial fwiw, which makes his cap list 30.
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From a previous sheep draft with an U-30 round:

Gio said:
We assessed Falcao on various sources. My interpretation is that the sources citing 34 caps are including some non-official matches such as his Olympics games or the match against 'Team America'. The more official sources, including the RSSSF and FIFA, gave him 28 and therefore eligible.
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antohan said:
The point is not even FIFA considers the Olympics as caps, whether it was fully U-23 or not at the time, it's just not a cap.

http://www.fifa.com/fifa-tournaments/players-coaches/people=63630/profile.html
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That's EAP's call to make, our mod so far has expressed that he is going to count them
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Olympics is quite a prestigious event and it'll definitely count as NT cap.
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I am just correcting him that there are infact only 2 matches which are unofficial in that list. Over to you @Edgar Allan Pillow
 
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  1. P-Nut - 1. F. Totti 2. Iniesta 3. M. Laudrup 4. Nedved 5. Scholes 6. [Relax] 7. Lizarazu
  2. MJJ/VivaJ - 1. G. Best 2. Garrincha 3. A$ Cole 4. D. Edwards 5. Casilla 6. Law 7. D. Blanchflower
  3. Skizzo/Annah - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. Neeskens 3. Rivera 4. J. Hart 5. Lahm 6. [Drop] 7. Courtois
  4. Raees/Invictus - 1. L. Messi 2. M. Van Basten 3. [Drop] 4. B. Moore 5. Masopust 6. P. Čech 7. R. Baggio
  5. Aldo - 1. Pelé 2. L. Figo 3. F. Redondo 4. Henry 5. [Relax] 6. M. van Basten 7. [Drop]
  6. Onenil - 1. Maradona 2. L. Ronaldo 3. Kroos 4. [Relax] 5. Breitner 6. Marzolini 7. Verratti
  7. Enigma_87 - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Souness 4. B. Schuster 5. Dani Alves 6. [Relax] 7. KH. Schnellinger
  8. Tuppet - 1.C. Ronaldo 2. J. Cruyff 3. [Relax] 4. Krol 5. Vieira 6. Griezmann 7. Fabregas
  9. Chesterlestreet - 1. J. Zanetti 2. A. Di Stefano 3. Didi SURPRISE! Djemba-Djemba 4. J. Kohler 5. [Drop] 6. N. Santos 7. L. Blanc
  10. DavidG - 1. F. Baresi 2. Cafu 3. Aguero 4. J. Charles 5. [Drop] 6. Beckham 7. Vidic 8. R. Carlos
  11. harms - 1. van Persie [Sacrificed] 2. A. Robben 3. J. Bozsik 4. B. Charlton 5. Brehme 6. Zico 7. Vogts 8. Romario
  12. Jayvin - 1. R. Ferdinand 2. Neymar 3. Facchetti 4. M. Platini 5. De Gea 6. Roy Keane 7. Thuram 8. T Henry
  13. Joga/mazhar13 - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. F. Puskas 3. S. Eto'O 4. Handanovic 5. Ballack 6. Schweinsteiger 7. [Drop] 8. Boniek
  14. Pat_Mustard - 1. L. Matthaus 2. E. Figueroa 3. R. Falcao 4. Rivaldo 5. D. Alaba 6. [Relax] 7. J. Johnstone 8. P. Falcao
  15. RedTiger/Sjor Bepo/Marty - 1. A. Hansen 2. [Drop] 3. P. Maldini 4. D. Santos 5. Stoichkov 6. KH. Förster 7. Eusebio 8. Robson
  16. crappy - 1. M. Neuer 2. Z. Zidane 3. KH. Rummenigge 4. G. Müller 5. Reuter 6. W. van Hanegem 7. Nesta 8. De Rossi
@Chesterlestreet
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
There are 3 in a row for Bicentennial?
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Only 2 of them are unofficial, from here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_U.S.A._Bicentennial_Cup_Tournament it seem the all star games like team America were not granted official status. But Brazil vs England seem fine. Either way if you take the official fifa number 28 from anto's link (http://www.fifa.com/fifa-tournaments/players-coaches/people=63630/profile.html) and add olympics game (3) he is disqualified, I guess the choice is to either include olympics games or not, cause that would probably change cap numbers for other players as well.
 
DavidG said:
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  1. P-Nut - 1. F. Totti 2. Iniesta 3. M. Laudrup 4. Nedved 5. Scholes 6. [Relax] 7. Lizarazu
  2. MJJ/VivaJ - 1. G. Best 2. Garrincha 3. A$ Cole 4. D. Edwards 5. Casilla 6. Law 7. D. Blanchflower
  3. Skizzo/Annah - 1. F. Beckenbauer 2. Neeskens 3. Rivera 4. J. Hart 5. Lahm 6. [Drop] 7. Courtois
  4. Raees/Invictus - 1. L. Messi 2. M. Van Basten 3. [Drop] 4. B. Moore 5. Masopust 6. P. Čech 7. R. Baggio
  5. Aldo - 1. Pelé 2. L. Figo 3. F. Redondo 4. Henry 5. [Relax] 6. M. van Basten 7. [Drop]
  6. Onenil - 1. Maradona 2. L. Ronaldo 3. Kroos 4. [Relax] 5. Breitner 6. Marzolini 7. Verratti
  7. Enigma_87 - 1. Ronaldinho 2. Xavi 3. Souness 4. B. Schuster 5. Dani Alves 6. [Relax] 7. KH. Schnellinger
  8. Tuppet - 1.C. Ronaldo 2. J. Cruyff 3. [Relax] 4. Krol 5. Vieira 6. Griezmann 7. Fabregas
  9. Chesterlestreet - 1. J. Zanetti 2. A. Di Stefano 3. Didi SURPRISE! Djemba-Djemba 4. J. Kohler 5. [Drop] 6. N. Santos 7. L. Blanc
  10. DavidG - 1. F. Baresi 2. Cafu 3. Aguero 4. J. Charles 5. [Drop] 6. Beckham 7. Vidic 8. R. Carlos
  11. harms - 1. van Persie [Sacrificed] 2. A. Robben 3. J. Bozsik 4. B. Charlton 5. Brehme 6. Zico 7. Vogts 8. Romario
  12. Jayvin - 1. R. Ferdinand 2. Neymar 3. Facchetti 4. M. Platini 5. De Gea 6. Roy Keane 7. Thuram 8. T Henry
  13. Joga/mazhar13 - 1. F. Rijkaard 2. F. Puskas 3. S. Eto'O 4. Handanovic 5. Ballack 6. Schweinsteiger 7. [Drop] 8. Boniek
  14. Pat_Mustard - 1. L. Matthaus 2. E. Figueroa 3. R. Falcao 4. Rivaldo 5. D. Alaba 6. [Relax] 7. J. Johnstone 8. P. Falcao
  15. RedTiger/Sjor Bepo/Marty - 1. A. Hansen 2. [Drop] 3. P. Maldini 4. D. Santos 5. Stoichkov 6. KH. Förster 7. Eusebio 8. Robson
  16. crappy - 1. M. Neuer 2. Z. Zidane 3. KH. Rummenigge 4. G. Müller 5. Reuter 6. W. van Hanegem 7. Nesta 8. De Rossi
@Chesterlestreet
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:lol::lol::lol:
 
Tuppet said:
Only 2 of them are unofficial, from here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_U.S.A._Bicentennial_Cup_Tournament it seem the all star games like team America were not granted official status. But Brazil vs England seem fine. Either way if you take the official fifa number 28 from anto's link (http://www.fifa.com/fifa-tournaments/players-coaches/people=63630/profile.html) and add olympics game (3) he is disqualified, I guess the choice is to either include olympics games or not, cause that would probably change cap numbers for other players as well.
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Clearly there's sources for all angles on this, that's why when I thought about the Bamboozle draft one thing that was crucial was assigning ONE SITE that would be the go-to place for this sort of situation (one to keep in mind for the future @Edgar Allan Pillow, they are all flawed one way or the other, just pick one).

I would dispute that anyone went into as much fine detail as is being used now to rule it in/out (I just found a qualifying number straight away and had no second thought for the Olympics, others just found 34 and moved on).

@Pat_Mustard found a source which looks as good as any and gets him over the line. Good on him, let's jog on.
 
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