Lamine Yamal

And it's not like they don't have options either.

A front three of Ferran Torres, Lewa and Rafinha is more than enough for some of the lower La Liga teams. They could have given Vitor Roque minutes shared with Yamal but instead put him out on loan.
 
I posted his playing stats earlier in this thread.

He's played more than practically every major teenage talent since records began. This isn't a case of a youngster being overplayed in the same kind of ilk that other superstars were overplayed, like Cesc, Rooney, R9 etc - Yamal is in a league of his own of the minutes he's already played at his age.

Yamal is on track to have played more minutes before his 18th birthday than Rooney, Ronaldo, Messi did during their entire Teenage years.

For the 100th time, do you think they can let him on the bench?
Watch also the vid I've posted from Messi, look what third divison looks regarding "care" and taking him slow. On older periods, even playing less, it was insanely brutal for kids starting.

There always been diff aspects that would always be a dangerous road for youngsters, more with really talented ones.

Also we live in a world that any Yamal it's not a secret since they are 14, they do not use it? he'll be snatch.

The benefit of this era it's that at least they can take better care in cases of injuries or diets, etc...but since day one football players are always in the verge of a career ending injury or chronic problems.

In general, the only thing at hand that will always help and can be done yet they won't, it's less games, at least they are allowing more changes and bigger squads even the WCs, these stuff has to made with this large ammount of games to be play.
 
And it's not like they don't have options either.

A front three of Ferran Torres, Lewa and Rafinha is more than enough for some of the lower La Liga teams. They could have given Vitor Roque minutes shared with Yamal but instead put him out on loan.

They are struggling even with him on the team and players like Yamal if not playing regularly would be surrounded by crows in an instant, it's not that easy.
 
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Anyway, Barca put themselves in this situation and since time, they've already made things horrible with Messi still there. From coaches, to purchases, to internal power struggles. So it's not a mistery that they do have to ask even more from their younsgters nowadays. Let's hope Yamal survives.

At the same time, maybe not that much in Europe, but in SA it's pretty normal for players to start at a very young age, since always and lately too due to loosing players even in the youth ranks and agencies buying them at 12 years old, many times it's the only path to play very young fellas.

Even in the past, in more stable times regarding financial aspects, a Pele, Maradona or even an Aguero would start very young. And even if not in Yamal's numbers, they are not that far from those and in the Geniuses cases, with an over the top rough treatment.
The thing for instance these three examples had on favour, it's their build, they had massive legs since a very young age and that helps a lot.
Even if it's not a certainty, it's mostly very talented players with a more slim, less bulky structure the ones that would suffer more in those first stages the roughness on every sense of pro football. At least Yamal doesn't have the dribbling atributes, attitude and tendencies, so he can take care better of himself than the ones mentioned that were constantly hacked.
 
Twenty years ago, even five years ago.

No nations league, a smaller format for the champions league.

National leagues is in lieu of friendlies, so no change

Champions league top 8 play the same and lower 8th most likely will not reach semis or finals bc they are not as good

That amounts at 1-2 games more than 20 years. That if the player plays it all vs players plays it all, that is not often the case, as there is no player than is a runner up/winner of champions league and euros/world cup and nations league. Specially Barcelona lately that can pass 1/4 finals

You can dispute the extra world cup clubs....every 4 years

There is a miss conception because Guardiola and et al complains about it but is marginally. Also we should take in account that now teams have also marginally more footballers than before and there are more sub options meaning that they have more rotation options.
 
I think the major difference is the intensity of games. Far more sprints in the modern game. fewer breaks unless you are a center back in a team dominating possession. Football is a lot faster than today than 25 years ago.

The dramatic increase in goals scored in the last 15 minutes of games is also a testament to this. Teams simply wear themselves out far more than they used to.

Guardiola (along with Klopp) is a main accelerator of that development imo.
 


(Feels like slightly the wrong aspect-ratio, maybe. Is that even really possible these days?)

Yeah, it's stretched out. Possibly to avoid getting a copyright strike for using copyrighted footage (although YouTube algorithm will see through it eventually if that footage is uploaded in the copyright base anyway). They've also deleted some frames hence why the video is skipping a little bit, I assume for the same reason.
 
That all makes sense, thanks.

This video's actually much better edited at half the length, despite being more partial. I originally thought it cut out the goal (which I'd missed live), but it turns out it's just really similar to an earlier offside:


(Kounde's second and Yamal's first were eventually ruled out.)
 
I honestly think he's been the best player in the world this season.

Barcelona's record in La Liga when he doesn't start a game is putrid. When he does start, I think they're still unbeaten.

Remarkable talent. His goal in the latest Clasico was ice cool.
 
That all makes sense, thanks.

This video's actually much better edited at half the length, despite being more partial. I originally thought it cut out the goal (which I'd missed live), but it turns out it's just really similar to an earlier offside:


(Kounde's second and Yamal's first were eventually ruled out.)


He is majestic
 
Barca have a really good team. It will be interesting how they manage to afford to keep them all in the next few years. Levers upon levers.
 
Barca have a really good team. It will be interesting how they manage to afford to keep them all in the next few years. Levers upon levers.
They're also very inconsistent hence well off the pace in La Liga.
 
They're also very inconsistent hence well off the pace in La Liga.
With a new coach and so many young players it's normal to be inconsistent. Also in November it was clearly a physical problem, while in December it was a bit more of mixed bag of bad luck and lack of goal when Lewandowski doesn't score and Lamine was injured.

In any case, with titles or not it's a joy to watch Barcelona play this year with Lamine Yamal and Pedri leading the team. Xavi might have won La Liga with a strong defense but it was always a weak team and extremely boring to watch. This year stats in La Liga are even worse than last year but I would never swap.
 
Who knew the chronically online Gen Z Tiktok era would produce probably the best teenage footballer the world has ever seen? Although Pele was good, football in 1958 definitely wasn't as professional as it is today. Yamal is already arguably the most influential creative playmaker in Barca and Spain's NT which is harder to do than scoring goals.
 
Who knew the chronically online Gen Z Tiktok era would produce probably the best teenage footballer the world has ever seen? Although Pele was good, football in 1958 definitely wasn't as professional as it is today. Yamal is already arguably the most influential creative playmaker in Barca and Spain's NT which is harder to do than scoring goals.
I think he will comfortably be the rest of his generation injuries permiting. But, his rather early rise is a lot to do with Barcelona's financial situation. As for Spain, if you start for Barcelona and playing well, likely you'll be called up.

Best teenager ever may be a slight axeggaration given how good Messi and R9 were as teenagers. Best 17 year old is more apt.

R9 had to move clubs at 17 and played at a relatively less glamorous club and league at that age. Most people probably never saw him play at age 17.

Messi was unable to start for Barcelona first team until 17 years old because at the time their team was stacked so he was given time to become a first team regular instead of being thrown into it; his minutes were quite limited in his first season.

Yamal is like a veteran compared to these two.
 
Six points behind is not 'well off the pace.' Already scored 50 goals this season. The problem is at the other end.
It’s not a small number of points. The post I replied to said nothing about defence / attack.
 
Dont think its an excaggeration to say he is probably the closest we will get to a Messi/Ronaldo talent in this new generation
 
Who knew the chronically online Gen Z Tiktok era would produce probably the best teenage footballer the world has ever seen? Although Pele was good, football in 1958 definitely wasn't as professional as it is today. Yamal is already arguably the most influential creative playmaker in Barca and Spain's NT which is harder to do than scoring goals.

Social media can have devastating effects on politics and society in general but I don't get why it should make young players worse footballers? There is so many great football content out there that helps you improve and footage of great players as well as in-depth break downs of their games has never been as easly available as today. Humans learn by observing others and social media amplifies that to a wholly different dimension.
 
Social media can have devastating effects on politics and society in general but I don't get why it should make young players worse footballers? There is so many great football content out there that helps you improve and footage of great players as well as in-depth break downs of their games has never been as easly available as today. Humans learn by observing others and social media amplifies that to a wholly different dimension.

I think @lexisonfire is rightfully taking the piss out of a bunch of lazy English pundits who constantly bemoan this generation cause they are "too soft" and only care about their follower counts ect.

Not like the hyper professionals of 2003 who never got into trouble, had perfect diets, lived in the gym and were all mentality monsters.
 
Who knew the chronically online Gen Z Tiktok era would produce probably the best teenage footballer the world has ever seen? Although Pele was good, football in 1958 definitely wasn't as professional as it is today. Yamal is already arguably the most influential creative playmaker in Barca and Spain's NT which is harder to do than scoring goals.
Even when Messi and Ronaldo arrived there were more distractions than the previous generation as the internal was already big.

The point on Pele is a silly one. Goal scoring isn’t inherently easier and he was judged by the standards of his time so while the level would be lower back then so would be his opportunities, the coaching he received etc
 
I think @lexisonfire is rightfully taking the piss out of a bunch of lazy English pundits who constantly bemoan this generation cause they are "too soft" and only care about their follower counts ect.

Not like the hyper professionals of 2003 who never got into trouble, had perfect diets, lived in the gym and were all mentality monsters.

Makes sense, my bad :)
 
Dont think its an excaggeration to say he is probably the closest we will get to a Messi/Ronaldo talent in this new generation
I'm not hating on Ronaldo but interms of pure talent on the ball, he isn't in the conversation. Messi, R9, Neymar, Ronaldinho, any now Yamal have/had that magic in their feet. C.Ronaldo in his prime was good with the ball but what made him great was his ability to score goals (not playmaking or dribbling), and his longevity.
 
I'm not hating on Ronaldo but interms of pure talent on the ball, he isn't in the conversation. Messi, R9, Neymar, Ronaldinho, any now Yamal have/had that magic in their feet. C.Ronaldo in his prime was good with the ball but what made him great was his ability to score goals (not playmaking or dribbling), and his longevity.
Ronaldo's dribbling was absolutely what stood out about him in his youth.
 
Ronaldo's dribbling was absolutely what stood out about him in his youth.
Did that dribbling make him a great player? or he got alot of stick for it?

The later is what happened, reason being his dribbling was very inconsistent from game to game, it often did not lead to chances or goals, he lost the ball more often than he beat his opponent and it was often for the sake of it. He'd be doing step overs and keepy ups instead of trying to influence the game in a positive way. And he needed acres of space to beat an opponent. He made awful decisions on the pitch. I remember people on here wanting him gone.

Again, i repeat, he became an alltime great by cutting all this down significantly and scoring loads of goals and many very important ones. Not saying he was a pure scorer during his prime; he had good to very good approach play. It was very robotic rather than natural and certainly not to the level of the players I mentioned.
 
Ronaldo's dribbling was absolutely what stood out about him in his youth.

He mentioned that was in was in his prime, not his youth. . Altogether though Ronaldo was a great dribbler in his youth, but I´d agree that Yamal despite being only 17 shows more composure and decisionmaking that Ronnie did at that age
 
Think people are getting confused with old C Ronaldo with young. He was a great talent with pace and directness. Just look at his short cameo for his debut the way he dribbles and accelerates past players.
 


(Feels like slightly the wrong aspect-ratio, maybe. Is that even really possible these days?)


He's fecking incredible isn't he - the turns and close control / dribbling in the first 15 seconds or so shows the skill and technical quality, but then that passage between around 1:10 - 1:25 demonstrates his composure and intelligence and reading of the game you don't see from 17 year olds... he's seeing and thinking half a second ahead of most players and then has incredible ability to capitalize on that.

I agree with @Eddy_JukeZ - I feel like there might be resistance to this in some circles purely because he's so young still and people want to revolt a little bit against the whole 'new Messi' thing but he's that good.

With Messi and Ronaldo gone and there being no clear successors as of yet (as evidenced by a #6 and not a forward being the reigning Ballon D'or holder), unless Mbappe hits peak form soon and/or Vinicius takes another half step up I really think we're gonna be talking about Yamal as the best player in the world in the next 18 months maximum.
 
I think his dribbling has more interest / flair to it than Messi. Messi's obviously the GOAT but his dribbling style felt a bit robotic at times. Like you know he's going to read you and get past you with a drop of the shoulder but you can't do anything to stop it because he thinks so quickly. Yamal is a bit of a throw back to me with his trickery. Has that Brazilian flair if you will.

I don't think he'll really touch Messi levels though. His game intelligence, vision, technique were just something else. Can't understate the importance of not getting injured either.
 
I think his dribbling has more interest / flair to it than Messi. Messi's obviously the GOAT but his dribbling style felt a bit robotic at times. Like you know he's going to read you and get past you with a drop of the shoulder but you can't do anything to stop it because he thinks so quickly. Yamal is a bit of a throw back to me with his trickery. Has that Brazilian flair if you will.

I don't think he'll really touch Messi levels though. His game intelligence, vision, technique were just something else. Can't understate the importance of not getting injured either.
Definitely more inventive with his trickery than Messi. Probably because he's not as good a pure dribbler. Messi would run circles around the back five in a telephone booth. Yamal would do some nifty backheel before running a circle around the outside of it and then somehow end up with a great assist curled into the box with the outside of his right foot.
 
He is not Messi alike AT ALL for the tenth time, he is not even close to the type of player was since he was 13. He belongs to another type of player.

Yet this would not be against having an extraordinary carreer, or even better than Messi (as far fetched as it might be see right now).
 
Barca's production line is insane. How the hell do you get Messi and then a talent like Yamal in succession?

He has a level of ability that, injuries permitting, he's a potential multiple Ballon D'Or winner throughout his career.

He's getting faster and stronger and his build is visibly changing as he turns into a young man, lest we forget he's still a boy, especially in footballing terms.

At these absurdly young ages, I've always had Pele and Maradona in a league of their own followed by what a 16-year old Cesc was doing, but I think Yamal usurped him on that totem and is now creating separation. Honestly, this kid was arguably the player of the tournament at the Euros, and if not #1, then in the conversation to be so, and he's better now than he was then. His rise to prominence is mind-boggling, and to this point in time, you're going to be extremely hard-pressed to find other 17-year olds to be in the running with how good he is at the age he is, or certainly to be proving it. Even young Ronaldo (Brazil) and Messi weren't doing this much on such a grand set of stages, which again highlights how off the charts what Yamal is doing is. There's also the fact that Yamal has no World Cup at 17 to play in, with his earliest opportunity being 2026 when he'll already be 18, which is a shame because he's already proven what he's capable of on the international stage at 16. There's little reason to doubt the World Cup would have been any different for him (than the Euros were) had he got to feature in it at the same age as Pele was.

His game is so consummate, which is bizarre. Usually when you see the extreme end with phenoms, they are all running, dribbling and bluster at these ages, full of energy and skill, but very much more drive towards a focal point and do something. Yamal isn't like that at all. He constantly picks the shrewdest option and rarely overcooks anything - he is sooo hard to plan for and play against because his snapshot decisions are mostly impeccable. Get too overzealous in pressing him and he'll use your vigour to take you out the game with a one-two or an early pass; don't press him and he'll run at you; try and hold your shape and he will use that to whip in a dangerous pass or cross. It's a real divide I see in him amongst even the legendary teenagers such as: Pele, Maradona, Ronaldo, Messi, Neymar, Cruyff, Best.

Mbappe was another teen who had quite extraordinary decision making for his age, but nothing like this level of skill and craft, and that's not to slight Mbappe, rather, to state how much of a glitch this kid is.

If he carries on this trajectory and injuries don't ruin him, he'll be the one scooping up the individual awards and having the capability of winning Ballon's in 2's and 3's in terms of consecutive years. As things currently stand in the game, he needs a foil who is out of this world good to be his running mate because this kid is it in terms of natural lineage to the absolute top end of the game. He's a top #5 of all time 17-year old, for me, and even that might be squeezed down to top #3. Whether he can keep that going as an 18 and 19-year old really remains to be seen, but if he can, we're looking at something truly special straight off the back of something truly special in or very near retirement. Just how it usually is when the great ones pass the torch on to the next generation.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to state he's the most talented player since Neymar in terms of linear progression.
 
Just a reminder he's 17 and a half. Remember him watching him against Ireland U17s. He was 15 and was outrageous, knew he was a special talent from then. A joy to watch