La Liga/Serie A/Bundesliga Draft

Player profiles:

Keeper & Defence:

Edwin van der Sar:

One of the best keepers of the last 2 decades and United legend. His stint at Juve was short, but during that time he conceded just 47 goals in 2 seasons - less than any other keeper in the league. Compared to the season before he came Juve conceded 39 the year before alone.

Short highlights against Roma where he showed some great reflexes to give Juve the victory:


Marcelo:
probably the best left wing back in the world at the moment and one of the best in the last decade. Certainly he has no competition going forward, providing goals and assists. 25 goals for Real and often criticized defensively like his predecessor R.Carlos, but his overall quality is unquestionable. Without him Real are devoid of width on the left flank. The one man flank has won everything in club football with 3 La Liga's and 1 CL. 348 apps for Real and 254 in the league amassed total of 28 goals and 61 assists.

Little quote from Roberto Carlos his predecessor:
R.Carlos himself said Marcelo was his heir, the world's best left back and that "Marcelo possesses a better technical ability than me".
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Michel Salgado:
true warrior and aggressive full back, known for his excellent tenacity, mentality and tackling ability. He's also no mug going forward with excellent crossing ability and considerable pace. With close to 300 matches in La Liga he won 4 of them and most importantly 2 CL titles. Excellent team player with high consistency rate.

McManaman:
the hardest person in the world....a genuine psychopath, even in training
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Lucio: World cup winner, a Champions League winner, a Serie A winner and a three-time Bundesliga winner. Played the entire 630 minutes of the 2002 FIFA World Cup, which Brazil won. These are just some highlights of an illustrious career spanning over a decade.
A huge defender who's aerial attribute and physical presence is almost unmatched, the Brazilian is also great going forward. Surely one of the top 10 CB in the 21th century Lucio possesses leadership skills and is also fantastic on the ball. Lucio is known to be one of the most hard-nosed defenders in Brazil’s history, and matched that intensity with tremendous intelligence and positional awareness.



Kicker ratings for Lucio and accolades:
Best Defender
2001-1 Lúcio
2001-2 Lúcio (WC)
2002-1 Lúcio (WC)

Best Central Defender
2004-1 Lúcio
2005-1 Lúcio
2005-2 Lúcio (WC)
2006-1 Lúcio

Thomas Helmer:

Helmer was one of the very best central defenders Germany has ever had(and that's some competition) and one highlight was that long ball by Helmer during the 1996 final which resulted in Germany lifting the EURO for third time. One of the top stoppers for Bayern Munich he won the Bundesliga 3 times, 2 DFB Pokal's as well as 1 UEFA cup and 1 CL final(lost to us) and of course that EURO title with Germany. He was tough, very strong tackling world class defender in his peak who was also excellent in the air and went on to captain Bayern Munich side in the late 90's.

Personal accolades and Kicker rating:

Best Libero
1990-2 Thomas Helmer

Best Marker
1995-2 Thomas Helmer
1996-1 Thomas Helmer
1997-2 Thomas Helmer

 
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Midfield:

Antonio Conte

Conte was a classic mediano, a tough and aggressive ball-winning midfielder occupied more with defense than offense, who ran tirelessly and covered great amounts of space. Watching him play, one had the sense that every game was a matter of life and death for him, to be approached with every fiber of his being. He was not a dirty player but was often a physical and combative one, and earned his fair share of yellow cards and early showers. But his commanding presence on the pitch and in the locker rooms, as his teammates have confirmed, was invaluable. He was made captain in 1996, eventually ceding the armband to one Alessandro Del Piero, but remaining a crucial leader within the squad.

He wasn’t a major goalscoring midfielder like Zidane or Nedved – his personal record for goals in a season was 7, achieved in both the 1998-99 and 1999-2000 seasons. In total, across 414 appearances in all competitions, Conte scored 44 goals for Juventus. 20 of those goals, however, were decisive: meaning that they salvaged a draw from a loss or a victory from a draw. And many of them were spectacular: a bicycle kick against Brescia, a wild diving header against Dortmund, a leap over Paolo Maldini against Milan. All of them executed with ferocious determination and all of them celebrated with unbridled joy – one, notoriously, against his old Lecce, which some Salentini fans still hold a grudge about.

By 1989, the 20-year-old Conte was a starter, and wearing the number 10 shirt, it soon fell to him to go up against the most famous number 10 in world football: Diego Maradona. Instructed by his coach to mark Maradona specifically on defense, the young talent was well aware of the importance of the occasion.
“I couldn’t even close my eyes the entire night before the match,” recalled Conte, “and once I found myself face to face with him on the pitch I had to force myself to not pull my legs back out of his way – how could I have not felt that sort of reverential fear?”

Maradona did not score in that match. Conte, however, did. In what would end up the only goal he ever scored in the red and yellow stripes of his hometown team, the defensive midfielder pushed up through a break in the defense, received a pinpoint cross from a teammate and fired it home with perfect timing and composure. Lecce drew level with the powerhouse Napoli, and the assembled fans at the San Paolo were treated to the first occurrence of what would become a famous sight: Antonio Conte, mad with joy, running with arms outstretched toward his supporters as if to embrace them all in wild celebration.
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367 games in Seria A - 30 goals. Won 5 times Seria A, 1 Coppa Italia, 1 CL, 1 UEFA cup.

Luca Modric:
On form, there isn’t another midfielder in the world like Modric. He has the vision and passing touch of Pirlo, but he’s also comfortable dribbling at the defense. Though he’s not remotely as powerful as Yaya Toure, he can use his direct running to similar effect. He also is deceptively strong on the ball and reads the game well which makes him a surprisingly effective defensive midfielder. But the greatest strength in his game may be the way he can bring together the technical and mental strengths to launch quick attacks as soon as he wins the ball.

http://theinsidechannel.com/modric-real-madrid/ - nice piece on Modric and his role at Real

http://www.90min.com/posts/2062853-is-luka-modric-the-best-all-round-midfielder-in-europe - Another one covering the Madrid derby.

Modric has played over 160 games in his 4 seasons in Real, scoring 9 goals and has proved himself to be probably their most important player in a team of superstars. Irreplaceable in his role, he's currently the best midfielder in the world with no resemblance in his playing style and both his contribution in attack and as well in defence.

A rather long youtube piece, but surely worth the watch:
 
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Attack:

Gianluca Vialli:
From a curly-haired youth with rolled down socks to the bald imposing figure seen in later years his instinctive rasping strikes made him an icon for adoring fans and instantly recognisable as television coverage increased worldwide.

A 16-year-old debutant with Cremonese it was performances during promotion from Serie C1 in 1983-84 that convinced Sampdoria to shell out €2.5 million on the promising youngster and Vialli never looked back.

Striking up an instant relationship with Roberto Mancini they were dubbed ‘I Gemelli del Gol’ [The Goal Twins] spearheading the Blucerchiati’s most prosperous era, however, the goals were notable as much for their flair as for their regularity.

At Sampdoria, Vialli claimed a hat-trick of Coppa Italia medals, a first European title – his brace defeating Anderlecht in the 1990 European Cup Winners’ Cup – but most importantly their first and only Scudetto.

The pinnacle of their success came with the Scudetto triumph of 1991 (their only league title), and given the strength of Serie A at the time, it was a massive accomplishment for a team that previously had never finished higher than fourth.

That title-winning campaign of 1990-91 saw the Italian finish as Capocannoniere with 19 goals, however, that success preceded a failure that would take four years to rectify.

After shooting the club to the 1992 European Cup Final scoring 6 on the way, Samp met Barcelona at Wembley where a solitary Ronald Koeman strike late in extra-time settled the match.

Just as with Juventus, European football’s grand showpiece marked Vialli’s last appearance in a Sampdoria shirt before he became the world’s most expensive player by joining the Bianconeri for €17.7m only for AC Milan paid €18.4m for Torino’s Gianluigi Lentini just weeks later.

His first season in Turin brought another European trophy as Juve brushed aside Borussia Dortmund 6-1 on aggregate in the UEFA Cup but a broken foot severely limited his contribution the following year.

When he did return to full fitness Vialli and striking accomplices Roberto Baggio and Fabrizio Ravanelli became one of the most potent attacking forces in Italy to claim the double.

A new-found physical presence and intelligent movement reiterated the Bianconeri captain’s position as one of Italy’s top marksmen with 17 goals scored en route to glory.

“He is the Michelangelo of the Sistine Chapel, a sculptor who can transform himself into a painter,” claimed owner Gianni Agnelli.

Only Parma stopped Juventus securing an historic treble defeating them 2-1 in the UEFA Cup Final, but Vialli still left an indelible mark on the contest by firing a ferocious and technically excellent volley past Luca Bucci.
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Individual
In Europe Vialli has pretty impressive record 29 goals in 53 games.

123 goals in 325 games in Seria A in its defensive heyday.

David Villa:
One of the best modern day strikers.

Piece from 2009:
He has scored free-kicks, headers, volleys, chips and screechers. There is a certain obsessiveness about him. "I can't remember every goal," he says, "but if I sat down with a pen and a piece of paper, I'm sure I'd remember most of them." There are a hell of a lot to remember. There are 168 league goals, despite not playing for one of the country's very best sides. Valencia have finished fifth, 10th, fourth and third in the seasons Villa has spent there; Zaragoza were 12th twice. Over the last five years, only Samuel Eto'o has scored more goals than him. And Eto'o only has six more – in a team that racked up 129 more than Villa's sides. Then there's the fact that for most of that time he has taken Valencia's corners and free-kicks – and however good a player is he can't head in his own crosses.
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And that's the thing: it is not just about the goals. Villa is an exceptional footballer – "a phenomenon, the best in Europe", says the five-times Pichichi winner Quini – who has played as a centre-forward, on the left of a front three, behind the striker or in a typical 4-4-2. And he has succeeded in all of them. He has helped his team succeed in them all.
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"For a striker he is remarkably lacking in ego," says Acebal. "If he sees a one-two, he'll take it rather than shoot. He is very intelligent." Carcedo agrees: "Strikers are defined by the goals they score but Villa has a wider repertoire. He drops to the wing, opens the game out for others, is quick and incisive and has an eye for a pass."
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It is no exaggeration. In his first season at Valencia, he provided more assists than anyone except Pablo Aimar; in 2006-07 he gave more assists than anyone in the whole of La Liga. He is not just a striker, he is an attacker – "the complete attacker", according to Michael Robinson, the former Liverpool player and now Spain's most significant television pundit. "Villa," he says, "has absolutely everything." Except, as yet, the cheerleaders his abilities deserve.
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La Liga record: 185 goals in 352 games.
Spain record: 59 goals in 97 games.



Individual
Awards
Achievements
  • Valencia Top Scorer: 2006-2010
  • La Liga's Top Assisting Player: 2006–07
  • Spain all-time top scorer: 59 goals
  • Spain's all-time top scorer in FIFA World Cup matches
  • Most goals scored in one World Cup (by a Spanish international): 5
  • Most goals scored in one calendar year (by a Spanish international): 12 (2008, 2009)
  • Largest streak of games having scored (by a Spanish international): 6
 
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Šjor Bepo said:
liked @Downcast and @KirkDuyt OP in the match thread, think i will steal the idea and do something similar if not the same:devil:
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Please do :)

VivaJanuzaj said:
Regardless of how that match ends up, I think @Edgar Allan Pillow had a fair point there on making player profiles outside the match thread and with a link there, as otherwise it takes way too much space and makes the writeups too long to read.
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A match requires a specific thread of 5 or 6 pages: not a "mega-thread" ;)

Our write-ups were short imho
 
So who'll be hosting the match between Marty and us? I'd like to know this ASAP as I'm heading to bed soon.
 
TEAM MAZCOTT PLAYER PROFILES

Goalkeeper: Oliver Kahn
Mad. Scary. Ruthless. Commanding. Whatever one word you can think of to describe Kahn, there certainly is one word that describes him well: successful. The list itself is very, very long, with 8 Bundesligas, 1 Champions League, 8 Best Bundesliga Keeper awards, 3 IFFHS World's Best Keeper awards, and the 2002 FIFA World Cup Golden Ball (only keeper to win this) being the highlights.

On the pitch, he was a commanding presence who made everyone know who was the boss. He kept his defenders on their toes and made sure that they were alert to any danger around them. On his own skills, he had cat-like reflexes, a long reach, strong hands, and a great jump. Kahn knew where he and the goal were at all times, and he positioned himself perfectly at every moment to make it as difficult as possible for the opponents to score. Heck, he was also quite good at coming out of the line to close down the opponent in 1-on-1 situations.

He may not have been as good on the ball as Neuer was, but he sure was a great keeper first and foremost, and for me, he's definitely up there as a GOAT keeper.

 
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Defence

Chendo
"One-club man" is rarely something one will associate with any Real Madrid player, but in Chendo's case, it applies perfectly. Since the age of 15, Chendo has belonged to Real Madrid, and even to this day, he still works for them as a match delegate. Loyalty.

However, there was a reason he was at Real Madrid for his whole career. He was always reliable as a right back, and he was one of their few top class right backs that they've ever had. His sacrifice and commitment to the club showed on the pitch as he was defensively solid, dependable, and tenacious. His pace, energy levels, astute positioning, and strong man marking made him tough to get past, and on the ball, he was quite skillful, most famously nutmegging Diego Maradona when he kept him quiet and got a clean sheet against Napoli in the Champions League quarter final in 1988. However, his defensive reliability meant that he was instructed to stay back and keep Real Madrid's right side solid whilst his teammates took care of creating chances.

The famous Maradona nutmeg moment:


Aldair
Roma have always adored players who stick with them through thick and thin, and Aldair is certainly one of those. A hall of famer for Roma, he spent 13 years at Roma with 330 appearances for them, winning one Coppa Italia, Serie A, World Cup, Confederations Cup, and Copa America during that period. He was so adored by fans that his number 6 was retired when he left Roma (until Strootman came in and brought that number back). It was not for nothing that Aldair was adored, as he resisted the lure of bigger and better clubs to stick with Roma, and his abilities as a defender also brought in adulation. Playing with several different defensive partners, Aldair was the one constant in their back line until he left them in 2003, and there is a reason for that.

Aldair is a complete defender, possessing all in his game. He was strong in the air and tackle. He positioned himself very well for all situations. His reading of the game was useful in anticipating the opponents' attacking moves and cutting them off. His marking enabled him to stick to players quicker and faster than him. On the ball, he was quite skilled. At Roma, he would often carry the ball forward and play accurate passes to his teammates, creating chances in the process as well. Quite often, Roma would field him as a libero just to get him on the ball more often and start attacking plays. Another reason Roma fans loved him is because of his leadership at the back, maintaining the team's composure and control over the game with his presence and leadership. His docile nature meant that he was a clean player throughout his career as well.



Gerard Piqué
When Piqué left Manchester United for Barcelona, not many thought that he would make the instant impact that he did. Ferdinand and Vidić were too good, and Piqué wasn't able to displace them during his time there. Having left Man. Utd., though, he won the treble in his first season, facing his former team in the Champions League final and keeping the likes of Rooney and C. Ronaldo quiet for much of the match. Since he came back home, he's been a mainstay for Barcelona, playing 354 times and starting 324 of those matches. As part of Pep's amazing team and Luis Enrique's more attacking, direct side, he's been a key player for them on both going forward and defending. With 5 La Ligas, 3 Copa del Reys, and 3 Champions Leagues.

Piqué was very good on the ball, and it's one of the reasons he was so crucial to Barcelona's fluid, quick, possession-oriented game. His control and skill on the ball is a great asset in evading opponents' tackles and pressure. Off the ball, he's a solid, proactive defender, with good tackling and heading ability, and solid tactical awareness to quickly ancitipate the opponents' attacks and stop them before they go too far. Barcelona will definitely be thankful that we let him go at the right time for him to be a part of a their most successful period ever.



Serginho
Adored by many AC Milan fans, Serginho came to AC Milan in his 30's, but his age didn't affect his performances at all. Even in his 30's, he was quick, fast, and full of energy, as he and Cafu ran the show on each side for AC Milan. With 2 Champions Leagues, 1 Scudetto, and 1 Coppa Italia, Serginho was quite a successful player there.

With speed, agility, and a neverending reserve of energy, Serginho ran the left wing in AC Milan's diamond setup. His dribbling, crossing, and runs made him a useful outlet on the left side, providing width, deliveries, and goals from there. His neverending stamina was useful both in defence and attack, always keeping up with whoever he faced off the ball, and always getting away from his opposing markers on the ball.

 
Midfield

Phillip Cocu
One of my personal favourites, Cocu is a proper, typical Dutch total footballer. Strong at both ends of the pitch, he was one of the few Dutch players Barcelona warmed up to during their tough spell in the early 2000's. Even during that tough time, he at least had one La Liga title for Barcelona, scoring 12 goals in that season. For his whole spell there, he was one of the first names on the team sheet, being a regular first 11 player and being ever reliable for Barcelona.

When he started his career, Cocu started off as a left winger before being moved to central midfield whilst maintaining the attacking role, showing great skill and technique as well as a knack of scoring goals. When van Gaal got him for Barcelona, he was used as a box-to-box midfielder, being strong at both the defensive and attacking phases. When van Gaal left the club, Cocu was pushed into more defensive roles by the other head coaches as they wanted to fully utilise his excellent defensive ability, eventually settling into a defensive midfield role and even playing as a central defender in a few instances. Such is the level of talent in Cocu, and it truly demonstrated his completeness. His loyalty to Barcelona during their tough spell is proven by his 291 total appearances for Barcelona, which were the most by any foreigner until a certain Lionel Messi broke that.



Luis Enrique
Let's list the positions he's played in: striker, second striker, attacking midfielder, left winger, right winger, central midfielder, defensive midfielder, and full back. He's played pretty much everywhere and been useful in pretty much every phase of play. A leader on the pitch, Lucho's tenacious, hardworking, and never-say-die attitude has made him a fans' favourite wherever he was.

His standout qualities include his versatility, his skill, and his tireless nature. He would run on and on, non-stop, and he'd keep on fighting until the final whistle is blown. What makes him stand out is the number of crucial and comeback goals that he's scored, particularly for Barcelona. That, combined with his versatility and determined approach to all matches, made him a Barcelona legend.



Uwe Bein
He's not that well-known to many people, but those who know him know that he's one of the best attacking midfielders Germany had in the 1990's. Franz Beckenbauer stated that he had the "killer pass" and that was very true about him. One of the most creative midfielders of the Bundesliga, Bein was also a skilled dribbler and goalscorer. His success includes the 1990 World Cup title in which he was involved in 4 out of 6 matches.

Starting off at Kickers Offenbach in the lower divisions, Bein came up as a hugely talented player, scoring 72 goals in 153 games for them (in his final season, when Kickers were at the Bundesliga, he scored 14 goals in 34 appearances). When he moved to FC Köln, he was deployed in a deeper role, scoring fewer goals, but that only enhanced his passing and playmaking, thus starting the path towards becoming the "deadly passer". Many Bundesliga teams were after him at the time, but Hamburg got him eventually. Initially, he struggled there, with several Hamburg fans questioning whether he could really step to the level of the Bundesliga. Having stated that, the whole team was in transition, and player power was rife there. Bein, being introverted and shy, struggled to settle into the team. However, once Willi Reimann came in and cleaned up the mess, Bein started to show what he was all about, particularly in the second season, when he scored 15 goals in 28 matches. After that second season, though, he moved to Eintracht Frankfurt, where he constantly challenged for the Bundesliga and made players like Jay-Jay Okocha and Tony Yeboah thrive.

For Die Mannschaft, things weren't as rosy. He did play 4 out of 6 matches in the 1990 World Cup, but Möller wasn't happy about the lack of match time. Luckily for him, Bein got injured, and Möller got a look in, culminating in a final where Bein wasn't involved. He didn't participate at all in Euro 92, and when Vogts took over, he rarely got a look into the national team, retiring in 1993 as he frequently got overlooked for his fellow German counterparts. His soft personality may have played a role here, and if he probably had a stronger personality, he might have had a bigger legacy for the German national team, and his reputation wouldn't just be locked into the Bundesliga.



Roberto Donadoni
He was one of the best wingers, if not the best, Italy ever had. He was one of the first players bought in the Berlusconi era, and he certainly was one of Berlusconi's best buys. During his time in AC Milan, he won 6 Serie A's and 3 European Cups. It's scary to think that he almost died during a football match (1989/90 European Cup), and luckily for AC Milan, Italy, and football fans all around the world, the Red Star's physiotherapist was on hand to save his life.

Donadoni was a complete attacker who had it all in his locker. This, combined with his stamina and hardworking nature, made him perfect for Sacchi and Capello in their 4-4-2. He played on both sides and as an attacking midfielder, but he mainly played as a right winger, though under Sacchi, you'd expect him to be involved everywhere. His close control, agility, and feints made him tough to read and contain. His creativity and deliveries from out wide and through the middle created lots of chances for his teammates. His two-footedness made him dangerous cutting inside and going outside, particularly with his long shots, which were always precise. He also always tracked back and supported his teammates defensively, showing tactical awareness and the willingness to work for the team. He really was the perfect player for any football team.



Emerson
No, not the one who played for Middlesbrough. Emerson Ferreira da Rosa was a solid and tenacious yet elegant defensive midfielder who combined his steel and energy with his amazing skill on the ball. When he started off in Brazil, he played a more attacking role, but since he moved to Europe (starting at Bayer Leverkusen), he has played as a defensive midfielder for the rest of his career. That didn't stop him from getting involved in the attacks, though, where he demonstrated precise control and dribbling as well as perfectly-weighted passes that dissected defences. Wherever he went, he always challenged for honours and even won some trophies, and wherever he was, his teams were always strong in midfield and tough to break open.

 
Forwards

Wynton Rufer
I could write up a passage about him here, but I think I'll let the man himself explain his story:



If you didn't bother watching the above video, here's a video that perfectly sums up why we picked Rufer (#11 for Werder Bremen):



Andriy Shevchenko
I'll be honest, I was happy that Shevchenko was so poor for Chelsea because he really was an amazing player before that. A complete forward, Shevchenko could do it all, and he was one of the best strikers in the world in that time. His clinical finishing, close control, and precise dribbling made him a menace to all defences, regardless of who he faced. He really could score in all ways: headers, chips, power strikes, placed shots, long drives, curled shots...everything. Off the ball, he was hardworking, always closing down opponents and never letting go of them.

Sheva's list of honours is very, very long, with the highlights being his 1 Scudetto, 1 Coppa Italia, 1 Champions League, and 1 Ballon d'Or in 2004. If you want to check them out, you can go to his wikipedia page to see all of them.

 
Marty1968 said:
Ready now if you like...just need to figure out who to send our tactics to and we can get cracking.
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Before we get started, let's just have another look at 'El Macca'

El Macca – ‘The Matador’

After a good solid first season at Madrid, including a man of the match performance on the biggest stage in the CL final, Madrid tried to sell him to help clear debts and to fund the arrival of Luis Figo. He was adamant he wanted to stay and prove himself further and Real relented after a Spanish poll in El Mundo revealed that 90% of fans wanted to keep him at the club.

McManaman also forced himself to reinvent his game, and transform himself with a versatility that enabled him to play utility roles in the side, thus helping him shake off a derogatory nickname he was initially given by the Spanish Press, "El Cartero" (the postman)- the implication being that though he could dribble long distances, he seemed to collect the ball and deliver it who knows where, in the manner of the Spanish postal service. It was widely regarded as a credit to McManaman that he managed to constantly reinvent himself to be effective and useful in a squad that was widely regarded at the time as the "best team in the world" under the "Galaticos" policy.

Having won 8 trophies and having played in 11 cup finals in four years as well as constantly making the semi-finals of the UEFA Champions league in each of his four years at the club, McManaman became the most successful English football export to ever play overseas (not just in Spain) in terms of trophies.

In a tribute to McManaman, four years after he left the club, ex-coach Del Bosque told Spanish newspaperAS Marca, that McManaman andGeremi Njitapwere the two most important players in his squad, because "together they kept the whole team united.”Del Bosque added: "I was very happy with Macca. He was a caballero, a gentleman, a stupendous guy; he always had a smile, he never complained, he was great, a leader. He related to everyone very well; he united people. Every day he trained with the same attitude. He was exemplary ... and a good footballer too, very good. A fantastic player in every sense."

McManaman is also listed as a club legend on the official Real Madrid website, with his legacy being that of being fondly remembered as 'The versatile Englishman', and described as one who: "in only four seasons, won the hearts of Madrid's followers. The mixture of his gentlemanly nature both on and off the pitch, combined with teamwork and quality made sure that this Englishman was one of the most loved players by the fans...McManaman's natural position was on the right, but during his time at Real Madrid he played in every midfield position. His ability to change position made him a very versatile player."

And that finish again....

 
i have a lot of gifs of Gazza for my post about his time in italy, shall i post it here and then link them to the match thread or should i just post it when we open the match thread? Know there was talk how because of gifs its very difficult to open page on a phone so will just say they are all under spoilers(not sure if that makes any kind of difference).
 
Sorry guys been busy most of the day. Can out up the match but won't be until about 9:30ish. If you don't want to wait until then maybe someone else could get it up?
 
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