100 points, not even a question. You don't win the league with 80 points in the first place
La Liga 2017/18
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Arsenal finished with 91 points. Had they gone unbeaten with 80 points it wouldn't have been nearly as big an achievement
And City might finish with 100 points this season. Which do you think people will find more amazing?
Best or second best is all subjective. What is not subjective is the label - Invincibles. Fans of other teams or rival teams will obviously try to downplay the undefeated campaign as if it's common but the fact is it's far too rare. Any barca fan has to be mad to prefer any other league season over this one.
80 was just an arbitrary number.
Let’s assume Barcelona win their next two games and end up on 93 points.
Start of the season question;
“Lads, would you rather win the title with 100 points but a few defeats and some draws, or 93 points and zero defeats?”
What do you think most would answer? And don’t let the fact you’re a Real Madrid fan trying to downplay Barcelona’s achievement cloud your answer.
The invincibles, 100%
Honestly i have no idea. As far as I'm concerned, I've already forgotten that Barcelona amassed 100 points during a league campaign, and i still recall Arsenal's unbeaten season. I'd also add that I primarily watch La Liga, so it's not a case of me not caring...
It's still 100 points. Barcelona could finish this season with 29 wins and 9 draws. What would they rather do, Win 33 Draw 1 Lose 4, or not win 9 games?
Until a team that goes undefeated finishes second in a top league this unbeaten nonsense won't end.
It's a footnote of an achievement, not something that should make a league title worth more than what's worth. The FA giving Arsenal a golden trophy for it and the whole media circus around it was nonsensical and it influenced a lot of people to think otherwise. Why not start giving golden trophies for teams getting over 100 points or teams scoring over 100 goals?
Winning one game and losing another is better than drawing twice.
It's a footnote of an achievement, not something that should make a league title worth more than what's worth. The FA giving Arsenal a golden trophy for it and the whole media circus around it was nonsensical and it influenced a lot of people to think otherwise. Why not start giving golden trophies for teams getting over 100 points or teams scoring over 100 goals?
Winning one game and losing another is better than drawing twice.
Yeah if you lose the title on head to head or by one point.
They’d rather not get beat and still win the league.
Saya the manchester united fan
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I’d say exactly the same regardless. If Man Utd win the league with 100 points next season, but 4 defeats, ill still regard Arsenal’s invincibles as more impressive. It appears to be an immensely underrated achievement. Being able to say you are unbeatable over an entire league campaign = incredible.
I would normally agree with this in terms of achievement however a first ever Spanish undefeated season is special enough to be on equal footing.
Sure it is, but do you remember the Juve side under Conte went undefeated as well a few years ago and I guarantee you barely anyone remembers that. Arsenal and the PL have done an excellent job of selling the achievement. I do agree it is super special though.
Exactly. People STILL talk about that Arsenal team.
Going undefeated over 38 weeks is incredibly tough. And it rightfully should be remembered in history. Each league has only had it happen roughly once in the last 40 years
Juventus are a difficult club to praise given the match fixing fiasco. Still an incredible achievement.
Anything that is rare should be considered special. That's all. As much as the PL sold the Invincible it is a very hard achievement.
Happened in 11/12. And no, nobody gave much thought to it at the time, and nobody gives a feck now. The 102 points season, on the other hand, that was historic
And in 10 years time people will still talk about the barcelona sides of 2008-2013 and 2014/16. This season will be a footnote. "Oh, they also happened to win the league unbeaten in 2017/18. Amazing especially given that was one of their worse sides of the era"
It is special, not saying it isn't. Only that people give it a lot more value that it should have.
Your opinions on it are worthless because they don't make any sense, not because of who you support.
And I'm a Madrid fan now? Great. Go read my posts back when we played them in the Champions League. Are you capable of replying to me without a stupid comment like that?
I had absolutely no idea they got 102 points.
Your refusal to acknowledge this will come back to haunt you when Real Madrid inevitably do it.
If this is one of his best perfomance of the season talks about the type of season he is having.
His firts half was atrocius, foul on Umtiti aside. Was a clear sub-off but Sergi's red car make more easy to find space to attack.
I forgot you weren’t a fan. My apologies.
I can't take this debate as anything but a joke, when the Spanish league gets decided at 100 points (twice), 99, 96, 94, 93, 91 and 90 (Atletico) just in the last decade, but no one has ever managed to have an invincible season in 38 games seasons I don't get how scoring 100 points (which has happened twice, and close to a bunch of times lately) is a rarer/better feat than doing what no other team has managed to do in the whole story of the trophy.
Who cares if Real win the UCL twice of even three times in a row, right lads?. There's barely anything historic in doing something no other club has achieved before.
Who cares if Real win the UCL twice of even three times in a row, right lads?. There's barely anything historic in doing something no other club has achieved before.
Undefeated is definitely better than 100 points. So long as you win the title as well of course.
How often something happens does not dictate how big of an achievement it is to do it.
Madrid were the only team that scored over 120 league goals. Great feat which is ever rarer than going undefeated but noone cares about it as much as having an undefeated season. Why is that?
Going undefeated is a rare feat and it should be apreciated, but it's just a league title like any other. Why should going undefeated with 80 points be more impressive than getting 111 points with 1 loss? It just makes no sense, the whole point is to get as many points as possible. It baffles me how much stock people put in a completely arbitrary thing.
1 win and 1 loss is better than 2 draws, that's how the sport works. 4 wins and 5 losses would have been better than the 9 draws Barcelona had.
And with the current results they won't be able to say they got 100 points... that's great logic right there.
They won't be able to say they're unbeatable either, it's been pretty obvious they're beatable seeing as they actually lost games throughout the season, just not in the league.
The fact that if they play a bunch of kids and lose one of the next few games that don't even matter at all then a few people would rate them less is ridiculous.
And I'm saying that makes absolutely no sense according to the rules of the sport
Would 38 points and 0 losses be more impressive than 111 points and 1 loss? If not, at which points total do you draw the line and why?
Played 38 lost 0 trumps played 37 lost 1. Undefeated/unbeatable has so much pull.
The interesting question would be: What if a team goes unbeaten and places second while another one wins the league but had to take some defeats along the way? Which team had the better season?
I understand Peyroteo's argument. Ultimately, you derive the dominance of a team in points and a season in which a team gets 100 is better than a one in which it gets 80.
Invincible seasons are really impressive and have this certain uniqueness but from a completely rational point of view, things look different. They are more memorable since they make great stories but in the end, the success of a team is measured in points. This is more about romanticism than about clear facts. The kind of thing journalists like to write about since it's perfect for story telling. But throughout a season, every manager would gladly sacrifice an unbeaten run if he gets more points for it. Or in other words: He will trade three draws for two wins and a loss.
So, if you ask me, it is definitely a great accomplishment and will get much more attention than a record season but from a pragmatical point of view, I cannot place it higher than those of better Barcelona and Madrid sides.
I understand Peyroteo's argument. Ultimately, you derive the dominance of a team in points and a season in which a team gets 100 is better than a one in which it gets 80.
Invincible seasons are really impressive and have this certain uniqueness but from a completely rational point of view, things look different. They are more memorable since they make great stories but in the end, the success of a team is measured in points. This is more about romanticism than about clear facts. The kind of thing journalists like to write about since it's perfect for story telling. But throughout a season, every manager would gladly sacrifice an unbeaten run if he gets more points for it. Or in other words: He will trade three draws for two wins and a loss.
So, if you ask me, it is definitely a great accomplishment and will get much more attention than a record season but from a pragmatical point of view, I cannot place it higher than those of better Barcelona and Madrid sides.
So you actually think 38 points with 38 draws, 0 wins and 0 losses is a superior league campaign than a season with 111 points, 37 wins, 1 loss, 0 draws?
Then you do not understand how this sport works, not sure what to tell you besides that.
I understand the romanticism behind it which was masssively built by the media, but if you want to have an objective discussion on how good a season is then I'm not sure how it can even be a discussion. And you can claim I'm biased or whatever but I've argued the exact same thing plenty of times on threads about Arsenal.
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Only a few teams in the Big Leagues of Europe has made a ligue title without losing (North Preston in First Division times, Real Sociedad 40 years ago, Arsenal, Juventus with Conte).
Is a better record that 100 points (although is a very good record too, just a bit down that one undefeated La Liga record).
Is a better record that 100 points (although is a very good record too, just a bit down that one undefeated La Liga record).
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Mate that would get you relegated. I’ve said that if a team wins the league and goes unbeaten it’s an unbeatable achievement until someone goes unbeaten again but gets more points
So it's not an unbeatable achievement then...
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