Going through the entire league season unbeaten is definitely more meaningful than the Madrid fans would have you believe, but less meaningful than the Arsenal achievement was hailed. It's the fact that you did not lose a single match of football over an entire 10 month 38 game season. That's pretty special. So yeah, I'd take a 91 point unbeaten season over a few more points and the same end result (champions).
La Liga 2017/18
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It seems Rayo and a wee team from Aragona called Huesca are going up. So happy for the Vallecas outfit.
Ask ANY juventus fan about their historic league. Every single one of them will automatically assume you're talking about the 102 points season
Don't care. 11/12 was historic, and i honestly don't much care about THAT. 13/14, 16/17, those are the seasons to remember. What sticks with me from 11/12 was the pathetic performance against bayern at home. An inferior bayern side. It was amazing and historic when it happened, but in the context of the era, it's a footnote. If barcelona had won the CL that season, that's what we'd remember
What most barcelona fans will remember about this season in a few years time will be the Roma game
We are not Arsenal
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No it doesn't, not even close. 36 wins and 2 draws vs 37 wins and 1 loss? Ok, sure. 29 wins 9 draws vs 37 wins 1 loss? It's not even close. 37 wins means complete and utter domination on an unprecedented level. Winning is harder than not losing in football
Barcelona could go unbeaten in the league and not a single person would rate this barcelona team even close to the same level as the 2008-12 sides or the 14/15 treble side
It should be red for Alba and yellow for Modric.
But the more important one that you conveniently ignored is Messi must've seen the 1st red in the game, and it'd been game over right there.
- can't embed media due to restrictions, google "Messi blatantly punching Marcelo in the back" and watch the video of Messi boxing on the pitch, a clear yellow at the very least.
- 2nd Messi foul this time on Ramos, should've seen a straight red, and this was before every other red worthy incident, he had clear intent to hurt the opposition with both feet, and he should've gotten a yellow at least from before, if it was Ramos he'd have gotten a 3 match ban.
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- Then Suarez' goal which was a clear foul on Varane, and should've been his 2nd yellow. The funny thing is that there's actually a video from the sidelines when the 4th official shouts "faltas de Suarez" a couple of times on that play but the ref just doesn't care.
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- Then the clear penalty on Marcelo by Alba which wasn't called, even if Alba wasn't red carded (which he must've) it'd have been his 2nd yellow this time.
Definitely, doesn't go for the ball, has clear intent to hurt the opposition, first with his right foot, then the other, Ramos was lucky that he could move his foot in-time on the first challenge or it might've been a bad injury. Ramos was shown a direct red for less than that just in last year's Clasico, where although he went with both feet and it was reckless, he barely touched Messi.
Even if you're gonna be the most die-hard Messi fanboy and not follow the logic, a 2nd yellow is enough to see him leave that pitch since he punched Marcelo on the back before this incident. Google "Messi blatantly punching Marcelo in the back" and watch it.
@Ishdalar on second thought, of course this league trumps the 100 points one. You won in Anoeta 
I'd take a whole season unbeaten over finishing with more than 100pts, no even a debate in my mind.
The Arsenal "Invincibles" thing annoys me now, because it's one of those few modern records that we just don't hold. It's irritating and the press still keep banging on about it - especially at the moment with Wenger leaving. I don't remember caring as much in the season when it happened - it bothered me more that we drew with them and that we came third.
I guess it's the same for Madrid fans. They probably don't (currently) care as much about the unbeaten season thing as they do about coming third, and the results of the clasicos. It'll only be when it gets repeated in the headlines and the biographies for years that they'll really notice it. Then, it'll become like the trebles, another big record they don't hold.
I guess it's the same for Madrid fans. They probably don't (currently) care as much about the unbeaten season thing as they do about coming third, and the results of the clasicos. It'll only be when it gets repeated in the headlines and the biographies for years that they'll really notice it. Then, it'll become like the trebles, another big record they don't hold.
First one, noone cared as much as having an undefeated season because no one managed to do that so far, it was so rare that you couldn't even hear most people talking about an invincible season because it just wasn't on anyone's mind, not losing once in 38 games is a feat, whatever way you look at it.
Every league, champions league, or world cup title is just a title as any other if you want to look at it like that, and we're not talking about an undefeated 80 points run, we're on route to 93, let's start calling things like they are and not start the downplaying game.
Also, what most people here are failing to notice, this isn't some league run with 5 senses only in the league title, like say one club without Euro competition and falling soon in the Cup would do, it's an invincible season with the team going to the end in the cup and just 3 games short of having a full season of games with the UCL, adds even more weight to the feat.
So, pushing at the height of the neck is a red card offense, but slapping someone in the face is a yellow card?.
That's it, not much to say, with that bias is understandable you think Messi should be out in the Ramos incident, first if we play "what ifs" Ramos has to be shown a yellow for his action with Suarez (Messi "punches" Marcelo in the back? Ramos leaves an elbow and the leg for Suarez) and with the 1+1 logic you use (because if Messi was on a yellow for the Marcelo incident, he'd totally be so dumb to tackle Ramos like that so he can get the 2nd one) it should be 1+1 for Ramos in the Suarez action too. So in your whatif~ism the action between Messi and Ramos doesn't even happen, because with your criteria Ramos gets sent off before that.
Everyone can play "how many players of the other team can I eject with the video", but it's just a waste of time
@Ishdalar on second thought, of course this league trumps the 100 points one. You won in Anoeta
It only lacked Espanyol being relegated to be the perfect league season for us, but that is out of our power
Amazing. Neither of that was a red card, not by any means. If you really wanted to, you could give Messi a yellow for the "punch" against Marcelo. But then this match would have ended with maybe three players on the field.
Even comparing any of these two scenes with Ramos' foul on Messi last year is absolutely deluded. Requires being exceptionally biased to mention this scene when Bale wasn't even booked for a really, really bad and intentional tackle against Umtiti.
Referee was bad, but in both directions.
About Caparrós I am a bit confused. At first I thought he was going to train for free this season, and the next one would be director of football, but then I started reading about other candidates, like Antonio Cordón, or the directo of Genoa. So I do not know exactly what function he would do. Perhaps purely lower categories ?.
About Caparrós as coach I have my doubts, but I am quite influenced by the bad opinion that there is in Coruña about him. There is still people who calls him "the charlatan" when they see him on television. Much pride, team spirit, sacrifice, cojones ... but not too much in the field out ot it, ... So as a neutral I would bet on someone else. Apparently Machín is a very serious candidate.
What's important about Montella is which team will he train next, I'm going to watch all of his games because he will probably get the dream couple of Muriel and Kalinic as strikers, pure football magic.
@carvajal
Yeah, the underground talks in Sevilla say that he will be in charge of the youth team; although I am not sure if it is Sevilla Atletico or lower than that. I'd be happy if he stayed in the club but I admit that it might be a step back in his career to take care of the youth. I would rather see him as an ambassador for the club.
Haha, I had no idea that our brothers in Coruña are not so found of him. All I remember from his years there was that Gago's epic (
) Real Madrid debut vs Deportivo, and that Deportivo back then were not good, but still an irritating team to face. Sevilla are probably hiring Antonio Cordon as sports director
I think it would be a brilliant choice. He helped build up Villarreal to go from nowhere to become a top 6 club - and he has done decent in Monaco, as he was also part of building the team that won Ligue 1 last season. I hope we hire Machin !! Love that rumour.
And like my bro @PedroMendez, I also hope we sell 95% of our current squad
But as long as Muriel and Vazquez leaves, I'll be relieved.Crucial game tonight, for us. A must win, whereas Real could not care less; so this is a huge opportunity to gain confidence, before we have the most important derby since the Euro League playoffs years ago.
@Ishdalar What club wants Muriel? Don't give me false hope now, you are getting me excited
Rayo Vallecano have been promoted? Great news.
A slap? If that's a slap, Messi's move is take-down I suppose.First one, noone cared as much as having an undefeated season because no one managed to do that so far, it was so rare that you couldn't even hear most people talking about an invincible season because it just wasn't on anyone's mind, not losing once in 38 games is a feat, whatever way you look at it.
Every league, champions league, or world cup title is just a title as any other if you want to look at it like that, and we're not talking about an undefeated 80 points run, we're on route to 93, let's start calling things like they are and not start the downplaying game.
Also, what most people here are failing to notice, this isn't some league run with 5 senses only in the league title, like say one club without Euro competition and falling soon in the Cup would do, it's an invincible season with the team going to the end in the cup and just 3 games short of having a full season of games with the UCL, adds even more weight to the feat.
So, pushing at the height of the neck is a red card offense, but slapping someone in the face is a yellow card?.
That's it, not much to say, with that bias is understandable you think Messi should be out in the Ramos incident, first if we play "what ifs" Ramos has to be shown a yellow for his action with Suarez (Messi "punches" Marcelo in the back? Ramos leaves an elbow and the leg for Suarez) and with the 1+1 logic you use (because if Messi was on a yellow for the Marcelo incident, he'd totally be so dumb to tackle Ramos like that so he can get the 2nd one) it should be 1+1 for Ramos in the Suarez action too. So in your whatif~ism the action between Messi and Ramos doesn't even happen, because with your criteria Ramos gets sent off before that.
Everyone can play "how many players of the other team can I eject with the video", but it's just a waste of time
It only lacked Espanyol being relegated to be the perfect league season for us, but that is out of our power
And it's not what if-ism as firstly, it must've been a direct red, and it would've been the 1st red of the match, it makes a world of difference when one player (their best player in this case) has to leave the pitch in 20 minutes or an opposing player that is not their best to be sent off way later than that, in Ramos' case the best you could argue (and that doesn't mean it'd be necessarily right) would be by 70-80 minutes.
Again how is Saurez' foul on Varane what if-ism when he's already on a yellow and it has to be his 2nd yellow instead of the goal, or penalty by Alba, that even if he had any right to be on the pitch till that time, it must've been his 2nd yellow as well? Neither are 1v1 situations that you're trying to make up
Ironic coming from the guy with an average of 10 posts per day in Caf's worst thread, making up arguments for his beloved "good boy Messi" and changing the criterias on an hourly basis.
I don't claim to be unbiased, there's no such a thing these days, since even among United's fans (or any other team) there's almost always a tendency towards one of the two teams, except the super rare cases when one hates them both.
Nearly there, need 7 points from their last four games to confirm things. Aupa Rayo.
Don't know if the Real Madrid fans are following him but got a young striker from there called Raul De Tomas (wears R.D.T on his shirt) who's scored 20 + goals at Segunda level.
We'll have him back next season thanks.
Dembele has finally arrived to Barcelona
What a run, Coutinho scores from the rejection.
What a run, Coutinho scores from the rejection.
in which game exactly do you play Mina if not in dead rubber game?
my god, what a touch.
I think they want to keep the undefeated streak alive but hopefully he comes on in the second half
Iniesta is just unreal.
Rakitic amazing
amazingRakitic woow!
Nice goal Dembele
Don't think Barca will be letting Dembele go anywhere will they?
Today we played with 11 Messis
Cracking stuff from Dembers there. Hopefully we get the real deal next season.
Dembele on form is a joy to watch.
Madrid losing 1-0 but it doesn't really matter.
Rakitic's run leading to the Dembele goal was sublime
Rakitic's run leading to the Dembele goal was sublime
Dembele just needs time, he’s going to be a fantastic buy for Barca
Madrid are losing 2-0. Are they playing a reserve team ?
Ramos, Nacho, Benzema, Casemiro, Asensio, Kovacic and Lucas Vasquez are playing but they're missing Marcelo, Modric, Kroos and Ronaldo.
Last season their bench was incredible, this season they can't do anything. They're going to spend a lot of money this summer
Mostly the bench team then, as Ramos, Casemiro and Benzema are the only players who are going to start the final imo.
Game doesn't matter
I know ?
...then i don't understand your question
Was asking about the lineup.
Ok maybe I'm looking at this all wrong but I am not really seeing much of a big deal being made about Barca going the whole season unbeaten, my question is why not? I fecking can't stand that lot post 2014 but what an achievement. I think La Liga has better quality football than the premier league but this particular Barca side would have lost at least once in the premier league by now this season imo. Despite this, i still feel this team should 100% go down in history as one of the greatest teams of all time. If you disagee, the only question I would ask in return is, Why has no other La Liga team gone undefeated the whole season in recent history? It's a huge achievement.