La Liga 2017/18

Agree with rest of your post(mostly) but the bolded part is not true.

Are you serious? Ter Stegen has the highest save percentage for shots on target out of all GK’s heading into today’s game.

He is absolutely top 2, he’s been phenomenal, and has a legit case for being the best GK right now.
 
Agree with rest of your post(mostly) but the bolded part is not true.
Stegen has easily been among the absolute best keepers in the world this season. The reason Barca's defense is so statistically good is 90% down to him. He's been an absolute wall.
 
Stegen has easily been among the absolute best keepers in the world this season. The reason Barca's defense is so statistically good is 90% down to him. He's been an absolute wall.

The person I quoted said that he was easily top2 which would imply he's better than Neuer or DDG, which he isn't.
 
The person I quoted said that he was easily top2 which would imply he's better than Neuer or DDG, which he isn't.
I believe he meant "currently" and since Neuer hasn't played in ages and won't play for quite a while - Ter Stagen might as well be top2 at worst.
 
The person I quoted said that he was easily top2 which would imply he's better than Neuer or DDG, which he isn't.
Neuer hasn't played in half a year so as far as this season goes, Stegen is right up there with DDG. He's been absolutely phenomenal.
 
I believe he meant "currently" and since Neuer hasn't played in ages and won't play for quite a while - Ter Stagen might as well be top2 at worst.

Yup exactly. Neuer has been MIA this season due to injuries, Ter Stegen to me is just behind De Gea. He's having a career year so far.
 
Wow.. at El Chiringuito they just said, that Neymar´s father has an agreement with Real Madrid.. and Neymar arrival to Madrid next June is imminent, almost a done deal.
 
Wow.. at El Chiringuito they just said, that Neymar´s father has an agreement with Real Madrid.. and Neymar arrival to Madrid next June is imminent, almost a done deal.
Inda has been repeating that for a while. He talks to important people at the club, but I think sometimes they take him like a fool.
Last week he said that Kane was closer than people expected and now apparently it´s complicated by a Tottenham renewal offer.
 
Inda has been repeating that for a while. He talks to important people at the club, but I think sometimes they take him like a fool.
Last week he said that Kane was closer than people expected and now apparently it´s complicated by a Tottenham renewal offer.

Yeah, I know , I saw that too. He also talks about a special clause in Neymar´s contract that allows him to leave if a club pays the same amount of money PSG paid for him. Do you know what´s that about?
 
Yeah, I know , I saw that too. He also talks about a special clause in Neymar´s contract that allows him to leave if a club pays the same amount of money PSG paid for him. Do you know what´s that about?

Yes, that was also said. I'm not sure if it would be valid for this summer or from his second season. In any case it seems that the clauses are forbidden in France, so I do not know in what form they would include it. Besides, I think that PSG already denied it.
 
Anybody who takes what they say on that show seriously should know the Nigerian prince isn't real :lol:
 
The Copa del Rey quarter-finals first leg start today with 2 big games: Atletico-Seville and Espanyol-Barca.
 
I am not denying that Neymar will go to Madrid next season. But if PSG, the only thing they don't need is money, which incentive would have to sell Neymar?

CR? why you would change a raising star of 26 years old for a declining star of nearly 34 (after the summer) and money they don't need?

Which incentive would CR have to go to PSG knowing his ego? even if he likes money and part of his ego is about money paid to him and paid on his transfer, I am sure his ego would not accept a transfer of his + money for another player and playing for a none top league.

The transfer does not make sense at all. There is no incentive for PSG nor CR and more money for them is secondary. What it makes sense is that is tactic for madrid destabilize PSG
 
Really wish Barca get this tie done tonight. I'm at the Betis Barca match on Sunday and if Messi is rested because this tie is in the balance I'm going to lose my shit :lol:
 
I am not denying that Neymar will go to Madrid next season. But if PSG, the only thing they don't need is money, which incentive would have to sell Neymar?

CR? why you would change a raising star of 26 years old for a declining star of nearly 34 (after the summer) and money they don't need?

Which incentive would CR have to go to PSG knowing his ego? even if he likes money and part of his ego is about money paid to him and paid on his transfer, I am sure his ego would not accept a transfer of his + money for another player and playing for a none top league.

The transfer does not make sense at all. There is no incentive for PSG nor CR and more money for them is secondary. What it makes sense is that is tactic for madrid destabilize PSG

The more we talk about Madrid signing Neymar, the less we talk about their atrocious season.

Personally, I give 0 credibility to all this, happened with Agüero and Falcao too, every top player that leaves Atletico/Barcelona does it to join Real in the future, but it's even weirder this time, as it was probably cheaper for Real to pay the clause this summer, than negotiating with PSG in the future, then the situation of Neymar in PSG and Ronaldo at Real makes it even weirder, I can't believe a team famous for being adamant with their player's future let Ney include a clause to leave the team when he wanted after paying 220M and making him the best paid player in the world (at that moment).
 
I am not denying that Neymar will go to Madrid next season. But if PSG, the only thing they don't need is money, which incentive would have to sell Neymar?

CR? why you would change a raising star of 26 years old for a declining star of nearly 34 (after the summer) and money they don't need?

Which incentive would CR have to go to PSG knowing his ego? even if he likes money and part of his ego is about money paid to him and paid on his transfer, I am sure his ego would not accept a transfer of his + money for another player and playing for a none top league.

The transfer does not make sense at all. There is no incentive for PSG nor CR and more money for them is secondary. What it makes sense is that is tactic for madrid destabilize PSG
Madrid press will use all the possible rubbish about PSG dressing room until the tie, although its the own french press who leaked this before.
About the transfer,my theory is that PSG,can be also interested in create the idea that they can attract top players,expand their super star currículum.The "CR7 chose us".
They shouldn't be so worried about his age or a medium term strategy as Madrid or United.
They have all the money that they want.
When Neymar renewed with Barsa he hardly increased the clause,he wanted a escape route.
If he goes to a new league,with all the critics about being a step back(and with Verratti experience last year) I find It hard to believe that he didn't obtain an assurance too(for now or 2019).
About Madrid,as Ramón Calderón said a couple of days ago,if the club leaked the interest is because they have real options.
It would be silly to sell the idea to be humiliated in the first meeting with PSG
 
Madrid press will use all the possible rubbish about PSG dressing room until the tie, although its the own french press who leaked this before.
About the transfer,my theory is that PSG,can be also interested in create the idea that they can attract top players,expand their super star currículum.The "CR7 chose us".
They shouldn't be so worried about his age or a medium term strategy as Madrid or United.
They have all the money that they want.
When Neymar renewed with Barsa he hardly increased the clause,he wanted a escape route.
If he goes to a new league,with all the critics about being a step back(and with Verratti experience last year) I find It hard to believe that he didn't obtain an assurance too(for now or 2019).
About Madrid,as Ramón Calderón said a couple of days ago,if the club leaked the interest is because they have real options.
It would be silly to sell the idea to be humiliated in the first meeting with PSG

I think that they attract a top player already, and in his prime. Atracting a top player in decline like CR, is not the publicity that would reflect losing Neymar + money.

He wanted an scpae route, but as much as Verrati, and others wanted to leave PSG, PSG said no way. It does not make any sense for PSG to sell Neymar. Neymar in terms of marketing is as important as CR. Neymar has 8-10 years as a top player. CR 1-2 years at best.

PSG signining CR? I can see that, but just for money. They don't give a shit about money. But CR going to PSG with his ego? DOn't see it, he wants to play in a top league.

PSG letting Neymar leave? no sense at all. Why. tell me, is their incentive on that?
 
Madrid press will use all the possible rubbish about PSG dressing room until the tie, although its the own french press who leaked this before.
About the transfer,my theory is that PSG,can be also interested in create the idea that they can attract top players,expand their super star currículum.The "CR7 chose us".
They shouldn't be so worried about his age or a medium term strategy as Madrid or United.
They have all the money that they want.
When Neymar renewed with Barsa he hardly increased the clause,he wanted a escape route.
If he goes to a new league,with all the critics about being a step back(and with Verratti experience last year) I find It hard to believe that he didn't obtain an assurance too(for now or 2019).
About Madrid,as Ramón Calderón said a couple of days ago,if the club leaked the interest is because they have real options.
It would be silly to sell the idea to be humiliated in the first meeting with PSG

This right here is just a popular fallacy, his release clause was what it should, the amount of a release clause is not a random number you can choose like Lopera did with Denilson or Real have claimed to be with Ronaldo, it's the worth of a contract, if you want to be free of your contract you buy it, and the price is around the worth of said contract plus a compensation to the team for leaving them with the problem of finding a substitute for you (a set market value of the player).

You have two ways of doing that, either you set a reasonable fee with the club based on realistic expectations, or you dispute it and a judge has to decide what would be your real release clause. In the event of a player demanding to leave like Ney did this season it would cause more turmoil to have an unrealistic release clause and him having to bring it to a judge, it would be slower, create drama and probably the decission would come after the transfer window is closed, awful spot to be in.

That's why a lot of our players in the lower end of our wage table (Sergi Roberto, Umtiti, etc) have relatively low release clauses, because they have what the law would dictate in case they want to leave, not some Narnia-like number that wouldn't hold legally. And that's also why Tebas and La Liga fought the Qatar money as much as they could, it's not only about Barcelona and Neymar, 90% of the Spanish clubs can't compete in wages with EPL clubs and soon against Bundesliga too, their release clauses are going to be low enough that the set amount you can put is lower than their market value in a country that doesn't have release clauses, like France, England or Germany.

If Dembele had a proper release clause depending on his contract, he'd probably be cheaper than 100M, but as that doesn't exist in Germany, all the clubs of that league are going to be in a stronger position to sell their players than everyone in Spain bar Real and Barcelona
 
I think that they attract a top player already, and in his prime. Atracting a top player in decline like CR, is not the publicity that would reflect losing Neymar + money.

He wanted an scpae route, but as much as Verrati, and others wanted to leave PSG, PSG said no way. It does not make any sense for PSG to sell Neymar. Neymar in terms of marketing is as important as CR. Neymar has 8-10 years as a top player. CR 1-2 years at best.

PSG signining CR? I can see that, but just for money. They don't give a shit about money. But CR going to PSG with his ego? DOn't see it, he wants to play in a top league.

PSG letting Neymar leave? no sense at all. Why. tell me, is their incentive on that?
Well,losing a player like him can never be an incentive and obviously its a very difficult transfer,but Madrid won't do like Barsa with Verratti.I guess they'll be very cautious(if happens this summer).
I don't say they are friends but I can see a relationship of respect and easy talk between Florentino and Khelaifi.
Then Neymar would have to cry a lot in public about a transfer.
Maybe I am a bit naive but simply for a question of status they have to try it
 
This right here is just a popular fallacy, his release clause was what it should, the amount of a release clause is not a random number you can choose like Lopera did with Denilson or Real have claimed to be with Ronaldo, it's the worth of a contract, if you want to be free of your contract you buy it, and the price is around the worth of said contract plus a compensation to the team for leaving them with the problem of finding a substitute for you (a set market value of the player).

You have two ways of doing that, either you set a reasonable fee with the club based on realistic expectations, or you dispute it and a judge has to decide what would be your real release clause. In the event of a player demanding to leave like Ney did this season it would cause more turmoil to have an unrealistic release clause and him having to bring it to a judge, it would be slower, create drama and probably the decission would come after the transfer window is closed, awful spot to be in.

That's why a lot of our players in the lower end of our wage table (Sergi Roberto, Umtiti, etc) have relatively low release clauses, because they have what the law would dictate in case they want to leave, not some Narnia-like number that wouldn't hold legally. And that's also why Tebas and La Liga fought the Qatar money as much as they could, it's not only about Barcelona and Neymar, 90% of the Spanish clubs can't compete in wages with EPL clubs and soon against Bundesliga too, their release clauses are going to be low enough that the set amount you can put is lower than their market value in a country that doesn't have release clauses, like France, England or Germany.

If Dembele had a proper release clause depending on his contract, he'd probably be cheaper than 100M, but as that doesn't exist in Germany, all the clubs of that league are going to be in a stronger position to sell their players than everyone in Spain bar Real and Barcelona
A conflict with a judge has never happened with these top players and he wasn't exactly earning 2mnet or something totally out of phase in relation to the clause.
I honestly see It more like a warranty that a second bigger contract Will be treated in a short time.
I meant that when you increased hardly 30/40 your clause can be a symptom that you do not want to be totally tied.
 
I thought Messi was more of a team player though.

He must know he's shit at them.

Stat-wise, he's reasonably good at them.

But from the guys in the pitch who would yo choose to shoot a penalty? Suarez has missed a lot, and probably only Rakitic has experience at that, scored 16, missed 6, not a better ratio than Leo
 
A conflict with a judge has never happened with these top players and he wasn't exactly earning 2mnet or something totally out of phase in relation to the clause.
I honestly see It more like a warranty that a second bigger contract Will be treated in a short time.
I meant that when you increased hardly 30/40 your clause can be a symptom that you do not want to be totally tied.

That's like saying Umtiti signed for Barcelona looking to leave in the future because he only has a 60M release clause, or the same with Sergi Roberto with a 40M one.

Sorry, but I find that argument/way of thinking tendentious, even Messi has had abnormally low release clauses all through his career compared to Ronaldo, are we going to say he wanted to leave Barcelona more than Ronaldo wanted to leave Real Madrid because he had a lower fee?.

For all the flak we get from being a "cheating club", the one thing we do properly now seems to be an argument to use against us.
 
That's like saying Umtiti signed for Barcelona looking to leave in the future because he only has a 60M release clause, or the same with Sergi Roberto with a 40M one.

Sorry, but I find that argument/way of thinking tendentious, even Messi has had abnormally low release clauses all through his career compared to Ronaldo, are we going to say he wanted to leave Barcelona more than Ronaldo wanted to leave Real Madrid because he had a lower fee?.

For all the flak we get from being a "cheating club", the one thing we do properly now seems to be an argument to use against us.


You are right that the clauses are very very low and I am surprised that this issue is a priority for Barça board, but then why Messi's new clause is 700 million?. Even despite being who is 280 or 300 would have made more sense. I'm not saying that Umtiti wants to leave, but having a relatively low contract with a clause of 60 seems a desirable move by both parties. It is assumed that playing with Barcelona he will not want to leave. The club covers their back and the player can quickly negotiate an improvement, which certainly should not take too long.
At least with the Asensio renewals, these salary increases have been accompanied by an increase in the clause.

I do not have any problems with the methods of Barcelona. Madrid are not better. I am delighted to let you be so fair with the clauses and be the cheating club :D
In any case I keep thinking,obviously in a tendentious and subjective way, that there was a lack of commitment in the renewal.
 
Well,losing a player like him can never be an incentive and obviously its a very difficult transfer,but Madrid won't do like Barsa with Verratti.I guess they'll be very cautious(if happens this summer).
I don't say they are friends but I can see a relationship of respect and easy talk between Florentino and Khelaifi.
Then Neymar would have to cry a lot in public about a transfer.
Maybe I am a bit naive but simply for a question of status they have to try it

Oh, definitely Madrid should try if they want it, but PSG never sold any player they wanted

So are you telling me that Flowper would say: " hey mattey, we are like brothers, why you don't sell me Neymar"? I could understand that if they are "friends" or have a respect relationship or simply they want to screw over Barcelona, Madrid would have preference if PSG would like to sell or been forced to sell Neymar. But as I said, no incentive in selling it if is not that is a plot of Madrid-Neymar with the help of PSG to make a indirect transfer from Bacelona to Madrid and not do such a mess like with Figo. That is the only theory that I would be able to accept even so complicated.


PS: now Neymar's father spreading shit around about barcelona signing his son.
 
Oh, definitely Madrid should try if they want it, but PSG never sold any player they wanted

So are you telling me that Flowper would say: " hey mattey, we are like brothers, why you don't sell me Neymar"? I could understand that if they are "friends" or have a respect relationship or simply they want to screw over Barcelona, Madrid would have preference if PSG would like to sell or been forced to sell Neymar. But as I said, no incentive in selling it if is not that is a plot of Madrid-Neymar with the help of PSG to make a indirect transfer from Bacelona to Madrid and not do such a mess like with Figo. That is the only theory that I would be able to accept even so complicated.


PS: now Neymar's father spreading shit around about barcelona signing his son.
A transfer of 134 millions :eek: .
 
I am not denying that Neymar will go to Madrid next season. But if PSG, the only thing they don't need is money, which incentive would have to sell Neymar?

CR? why you would change a raising star of 26 years old for a declining star of nearly 34 (after the summer) and money they don't need?

Which incentive would CR have to go to PSG knowing his ego? even if he likes money and part of his ego is about money paid to him and paid on his transfer, I am sure his ego would not accept a transfer of his + money for another player and playing for a none top league.

The transfer does not make sense at all. There is no incentive for PSG nor CR and more money for them is secondary. What it makes sense is that is tactic for madrid destabilize PSG
All true, but Flo has been trying to sign Neymar since he was 14...

Think he's hoping for FFP to force PSG's hand on this. That or Neymar does have an agreement on place with PSG...this are the Neymars we're talking about afterall. They might have demanded a way out as non-negotiable, and for PSG, better to sign him and convince him to stay, or even lose him after 2 years, than not signing him at all

In the meantime, the Neymars blood feud with Bartomeu just added a new chapter.

I honestly have no idea how Bartomeu and Rosell still have their carnets...
 
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