It's games like Today against bigger opposition they need to be tucking away chances though, the league is slipping away.
La Liga 2016/17
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It's games like Today against bigger opposition they need to be tucking away chances though, the league is slipping away.
Good result
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.Our club definitely has the money, but we just don't spend it wisely at all. €35M for Andre Gomez is a sackable offence.
Do not tell me you are Brazilian and you don't like Neymar?
Don't ruin the narrative, remeber, you should always say it is a farcical league, one horse league, unfair league, and now Pep is learning what is real football...
Two things: 1) barcelona's "crisis" is being blown way out of proportion 2) the fact of the matter is, from January 2015 until March 2016, the MSN has been so utterly overwhelming that they more than covered for whatever cracks there might have been. This season, they seem to have fallen back to earth(especially suarez. For all that neymar's last goal dates back to the neolithic, he's been consistently good for them. Suarez has given them absolutely nothing beyond the goals, and he's not scoring at 1:1 ratio anymore), age started to catch up to iniesta, and suddenly, without the MSN pulverizing teams on their own, and iniesta no longer reliable to fill in the gap for when one of the three has a dud, they are starting to come to the realization that the rest of the team is not good enough to play their football effectively. They are much like city, except they still have messi, neymar, suarez and iniesta
Barcelona bailed by the refs again! This is becoming ridiculous at this stage....They should have dropped twice as many points this year if not for this bs.
No wonder Pep and City is about to arrange a meeting with PL referreeing chief...
What a crazy weekend!
I couldn't watch any games this time but just going by the results I wasn't expecting Sevilla to roll over Real Sociedad (given how Sevilla lost against Real Madrid and Real Sociedad winning comfortably against Villarreal). Then I was also expecting Barcelona to win, although having some trouble against Villarreal and it looks they barely got a draw!
So all in all it was a super good week for Real Madrid and with Sevilla in second place and sitting 5 points ahead on Atlético de Madrid they are more likely to finish between top 4 while Atlético is still very close with Villarreal and Real Sociedad.
I couldn't watch any games this time but just going by the results I wasn't expecting Sevilla to roll over Real Sociedad (given how Sevilla lost against Real Madrid and Real Sociedad winning comfortably against Villarreal). Then I was also expecting Barcelona to win, although having some trouble against Villarreal and it looks they barely got a draw!
So all in all it was a super good week for Real Madrid and with Sevilla in second place and sitting 5 points ahead on Atlético de Madrid they are more likely to finish between top 4 while Atlético is still very close with Villarreal and Real Sociedad.
League feels like it's gone now. 8 points behind if Real Madrid win their game in hand, with a Clasico in Madrid to come, it's hard to see that being pulled back.
Translates to "Not a hand ball by Mascherano, his hand was next to his body." This is Barca DNA. Shameless.
Pique having a go at Tebas after the game for bad refereing.
And while we're at the subject:
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Really? After the game where Barca didn't get 2 clear pens, and also those Copa games? God forbid something like that went in Barca's favor, internet would collapse. Amount of vitriol that some people spew towards that club (and anything connected) has no rational explanation, really a peculiar phenomenon.
This 'Barça buying refs' narrative is fecking tiresome. So, all those penalties come from them having the referee under their payroll.
Or, you know, they have come because Barça's play style ensure they get more touches in the opponents' box than Real Madrid thereby increasing the chance of fouling by the opposition.
The goal came from a Messi free kick. Instead of appreciating that he is even better than CR7 now, you are blaming the ref
That was not the point of the post. The point is they should stop whining about the refs.
Yes, like the time Busquets wasn't sent off (Valencia), or Valencia didn't get a penalty, or like when Real Sociedad were robbed a perfectly onside goal. Or like in El Clasico, 2 clear pens not given to Real. Or like last season, with 19 penalties in favour of Barca. It is true that the ref did not give them obvious penalty, but Pique got the nerve to put on his victim coat, you'd think he is playing for Leganes. This is the same club that lectured everybody that 'you should never blame the refs'.
I think refs are actually a bit reluctant to give them pens, because they really earn a lot of them. I also remember a stat similar to this one from some previous seasons, only with roles reversed, and during that time Messi was denied penalty after penalty. Now they have Neymar who is even more of a penalty magnet, and he's actually been denied quite a fair share of them lately. Players like Busquets, Iniesta, Messi and Neymar are clever and nimble, their game relies on delicate passing and dribbling, so they naturally get fouled a lot. Real players are generally more physical and also spend less time on the ball.
They are not wrong to be pissed at the refs for their last two games. That said, yeah, blaming refs for their "poor" season is hypocritical, in typical FC Barcelona fashion.
Overall quality of the refs in Spain is unacceptable though. And yeah, this season, so far real madrid have had more help from the refs than barcelona. Usually it tends to even out by the end of the season(with both teams being greatly helped by the refs. Over the last few seasons, atletico also began getting a lot of help)
Overall quality of the refs in Spain is unacceptable though. And yeah, this season, so far real madrid have had more help from the refs than barcelona. Usually it tends to even out by the end of the season(with both teams being greatly helped by the refs. Over the last few seasons, atletico also began getting a lot of help)
You mean €48,2M. Indeed quite ridiculous. Well i'm not gonna throw with stones for obvious reasons. But there were quite a lot of people - Barca fans - who thought he will be a big deal. Never understood this, so glad that we didn't go for him. Portugal players overall are not that good individually, when you check how they fare now at club level. Typical case of in-form teams players being overrated.
Andre Gomes looked like a world beater his first season at valencia. Since then he's looked like a nothing player, barring a game against us last winter(the game that got Mr #10 the sack..so i guess i'm grateful to him)
One of many players who couldn't cope with the step up. I think with him - just like Otamendi - it was rather predictable though
Otamendi's good, just needs the right partner next to him. Andre Gomes was good for one season. I also don't think he fits barca's playing style
Yes, like the time Busquets wasn't sent off (Valencia), or Valencia didn't get a penalty, or like when Real Sociedad were robbed a perfectly onside goal. Or like in El Clasico, 2 clear pens not given to Real. Or like last season, with 19 penalties in favour of Barca. It is true that the ref did not give them obvious penalty, but Pique got the nerve to put on his victim coat, you'd think he is playing for Leganes. This is the same club that lectured everybody that 'you should never blame the refs'.
He's shite, i'd rather have Andre Gomes in midfield then him in my defence. Anyway, this is La Liga forum, so don't wanna go OT.
Yes, like the time Busquets wasn't sent off (Valencia), or Valencia didn't get a penalty, or like when Real Sociedad were robbed a perfectly onside goal. Or like in El Clasico, 2 clear pens not given to Real. Or like last season, with 19 penalties in favour of Barca. It is true that the ref did not give them obvious penalty, but Pique got the nerve to put on his victim coat, you'd think he is playing for Leganes. This is the same club that lectured everybody that 'you should never blame the refs'.
Both Barca and Real shouldnt complain about refs in la liga....it is so funny to listen to this nonsense when both clubs are usually benefitting from dodgy decisions. The standard of refs is appalling, but part of the problem is that almost all players are deceiving cnuts. La liga needs a rule that only the captain is allowed to talk to the ref and strict retrospective punishment for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Couldn't agree more. This would actually make this league attractive again (wasn't always this way, i like to think back to the early 2000's, when i loved to watch the league). But as long as they call playacting and rolling over 5 times "clever play", i see no hope
Totally agree. Not sure the authorities would be strong enough to ban a player from one of the big two or three though if they transgress in such a manner.
If you look at the s*it cristiano and syarez have been getting away with recently...
Also, i think there is a rule that says only the captain is allowed to speak with ref. Any other player should get a yellow. It's just that refs tend to ignore it, and not just in Spain
Also, i think there is a rule that says only the captain is allowed to speak with ref. Any other player should get a yellow. It's just that refs tend to ignore it, and not just in Spain
The retrospective punishments won't happen most of the time, if not anytime; not even when the ref forgets to include it in his report. For instance; Aduriz won't be suspended for his punch on Umtiti, even though it has been played out afterwards, and the ref did not note it. However, Pique may get suspended, because his accusations are very serious and he has created a big circus.
It is true that it should be implemented, but I get the feeling that the idea is too romantic for a country like Spain. There are too many forces involved, and it would create other types of controversy off the field. Suddenly there would be lot of circus about unfair retrospective punishments, someone similar to señor Inventor-of-Football would command a meeting with the refs to 'understand the rules in Spain', and so forth
. Barca and Real are not the only ones that sometimes fall victims or get away with unsportmanlike conducts; it just gets amplified because it is about Real Madrid and Barcelona. For instance; Sevilla have never been angels, especially when the subnormal Cristobal Soria was a staff member in the club. Atletico under Simeone - when they are at their peak - are anything but sportsmanlike. It is true that Real and Barca easily put the pressure on referees thanks to their status- but it does work in both ways. A few times, the refs overcompensate when ruling against these two teams (like yesterday) - while most of the time, other refs are more towards the opposite (Mateu Lahoz..). So I couldn't agree more with you, you are right on point; these two clubs are the last ones to complain about the refs.
I was always under the impression that only the captain was allowed to speak with the ref, since the early days of 21st century, when the spotlight hit Manchester United and how they surronded the ref in 2-3 games - and then this rule was implemented? Or was it just for PL? Nevertheless; if there already is such a rule, then all teams in Spain (and most teams in Europe) have always ignored it and got away with it
Great post.
Retrospective punishment is not going to happen. We've got Ronaldo who lashes out every now and then and Barca has few of them. Banning those players is not in the interest of the league, not when they're trying to find a way to cope with EPL in terms of $$.
As for only captains being allowed to talk to the ref, that should be a general rule in all of Europe. As it is now, it comes down to the referee and his style of officiating. It's no different in EPL. Some referees like to talk to players and explain themselves and some don't.
For la liga it's not even important any more. Crowding the referee is Guardiola's invention. It got them very far both in the league and in CL, but thankfully ref's are fed up with it and it's not working for them any more so I don't really care.
8 pts aren't that much really. Barca had a bigger lead last season and nearly lost the title.
I agree, that retrospective punishment is never going to happen. Sadly. It wouldn't be that hard to implement if you only target the worst abuses, but the leagues are not interested in doing so. FIFA is discussing a rule, that only the captain is allowed to talk to the ref. I expect that this is going to get implemented in the next 2-3 years, but it is only a minor thing.
I am also don't want to put all the blame on Barca/Real. The other teams do the same (more or less; the likes of Alba, Busquets or Ronaldo can be pretty extreme). The difference is, that domestic top teams (and top-stars, that are usually playing for these teams) get slightly favorable treatment in almost all leagues. At least that is my impression.
I think the players behave (slightly) less shady in the EPL but some of the "top refs" are even bigger donkeys. Too many of them are simply not interested in enfrocing the rules, but in showmanship.
I am also don't want to put all the blame on Barca/Real. The other teams do the same (more or less; the likes of Alba, Busquets or Ronaldo can be pretty extreme). The difference is, that domestic top teams (and top-stars, that are usually playing for these teams) get slightly favorable treatment in almost all leagues. At least that is my impression.
I think the players behave (slightly) less shady in the EPL but some of the "top refs" are even bigger donkeys. Too many of them are simply not interested in enfrocing the rules, but in showmanship.
Suarez is such a fecking pos
I'd switch Gomes for Otamendi any day, especially considering that our defense is growing thin and Masche is past it (it's showing this season). Otamendi is also La Liga proven.
As for our midfield, we need to break the bank for Verratti.
Well, he is at least not PL fit. I wouldn't even switch Mascherano for him, however i haven't seen Masche play to much lately, so no idea about his current form.
About Verratti, i think half the topteams of the world are thinking the same thing.
I have similar impression; that players in any other league have cleaner act - possibly because they are aware that there is always a big risk of suspension afterwards. Even Diego Costa is not the same abuser in PL, as he was in Atletico. He has got suspensions (righteously so though), for stuff that been alot less unsportsmanlike, compared to what he got away with in his best season under Atletico.
Btw - Lenglet officially presented, with number 5
And Sevilla are going for Jovetic now. From what I remember, he had sharp teqhnique and quite okay finishing skills - but he was extremely injury prone in City. I have no idea how he has been at Inter. I'd still be excited if he joined Sevilla in January; and he is not tied to CL! Perfect.GOAT at what he does best. They never should have let him back on the football pitch after the second (Ivanovic) bite. He should have been given a lifetime ban back then and sent to a mental institution.
2013 - Bale over Neymar
2014 - James over Suarez
So happy it turned out like that. From purely footballing perspective, I don't think we got a better deal, but it would be really tough to cheer for the team if we had those two cnuts diving and kicking all the time instead.
Completely agree, feck those guys.
Kind of happy Di Maria is no longer around as well tbf
It is very easy to claim that it would be embarressing having those players. But keep in mind that it is about winning, an no one complains or apologise for their team's players when your team is winning. I completely dislike some sides of the likes of Suarez or Dani Alves, but I would love to have them at their peak in my club, if it meant that we could win everything. I doubt any madridista complained about Di Maria after the CL final 2014, or a cule complained about Neymar or Suarez when Barcelona took their second treble.
I think it's a matter of different criteria when it comes to judge them and promote them to international refs(european & international games). In Spain and Italy, it's the clubs that judge them, and in order to become international, refs need to officiate a number of high profile games. High profile means big teams. So if a young ref makes a bad mistake against real madrid/barcelona, they'll give him a bad evaluation and he won't get to ref other big games for a while. It's a system in which Real Madrid and Barcelona(and juve and milan in italy) have the power to make or break a ref's career.
In england, the FA has an independent commission for that. So if a ref makes a bad mistake against united, it not as bad since so long as he does a good job afterwards, he'll be given another chance a lot sooner
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