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La Liga 2016/17
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You guys know there's a reason these are his first minutes this season right?
Is this just Sociedad's usual top performance against Barca, or is this manager creating something special there?
Barca very lucky to get away with a point here.
Real Sociedad unlucky not to get three points.
Great point (for Barca). Was probably the most uneven match at Anoeta in the past few years.
Bit of both. La Real beat Atléti 2-0 not long ago as well, and they could've gone ahead of them and into 4th place with a win tonight.
Anoeta is one of the hardest away matches in La Liga.
That being said La Real were absolutely robbed, not surprising though, just usual Barca things.
That being said La Real were absolutely robbed, not surprising though, just usual Barca things.
Barcelona will struggle to win La Liga now. They're best off focusing on The Champions League. It could keep Enrique in a job.
+6 before Camp nou 
Real are doing pretty good, plus Eusebio was the manager that took care of Barcelona B after Luis Enrique, if someone has the "inside info" to use against Barcelona it's him
Hope we smash those fecks lol, imagine if we actually win with all our injuries atm, wouldn't stop laughing till 2017.+6 before Camp nou
In that weather, what else did you expect?
But, you see I was right in the end. There's not a game in the season where your opponent doesn't get fecked over.
Most Barcelona fans I've come across hate him and think he did a bad job with Barcelona B.
It doesn't matter, it's the intensity they're playing with at the Anoeta that you guys can't live with...
Real Sociedad 2-1 FC Barcelona (2010/11 La Liga) - the only league game Pep's Barça lost that season
Real Sociedad 2-2 FC Barcelona (2011/12 La Liga) - La Real comeback after going two-nil down very early on
Real Sociedad 3-2 FC Barcelona (2012/13 La Liga) - one of two league defeats to the Barça that racked up 100pts
Real Sociedad 3-1 FC Barcelona (2013/14 La Liga)
Real Sociedad 1-1 FC Barcelona (2013/14 Copa del Rey) - 2nd leg of the semi-final, Barça led 2-0 from the 1st leg
Real Sociedad 1-0 FC Barcelona (2014/15 La Liga) - even Moyes can't break the curse
Real Sociedad 1-0 FC Barcelona (2015/16 La Liga)
Real Sociedad 1-1 FC Barcelona (2016/17 La Liga)
8 games, 5 wins, 3 draws, 0 defeats for La Real. 14 goals for, 8 against.
Anoeta
Win at the camp nou and we've got the title in the bag
Win at the camp nou and we've got the title in the bag
8th, 9th and 3rd his first three season, disaster in the last one, that's merely a bad job for a reserve team in second division.
Thing is, most culés thought that after Xavi, Iniesta, Pique, Busquets, Messi... la masia would keep producing world champion caliber players for years to come, those expectations were absurd and Eusebio was a victim of that, it became even harder after the fifa sanction when a lot of young players couldn't play. I'd say Eusebio looks like a good manager, he did well his first seasons without drama at Barcelona B and pointed out the reasons of his debacle (youth players realising they couldn't make it into the first team and not trying hard enough, just looking to end the season and collect a big paycheck somewhere else), time ended up showing he was right.
If he keeps this level with Real Sociedad I can easily see managing Barcelona in the future
We usually fare worse against "basque" clubs, at least that's what I recall since I'm a Barcelona fan. But even though we've been having a hard time in Anoeta for years most of the time it was the team relaxing or some other detail screwing us
But today we got outplayed everywhere, from the keeper to the forwards, that wasn't the case before and seems almost ironical that we got one of our "best" results in San Sebastian in one of our worst games there
I'm not really hearing Suarez' anymore, how have his performances been lately? Actually I'm not really hearing Neymar's name much either.
I think the commercialisation of the club changed it for the worse in some ways. Pep could see this coming and got out of there.
To quote myself earlier in the thread:
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That said, Neymar has been setting up a bunch of goals this season (already on 12 assists in 16 games); it's Suárez who has been missing sitters (which he didn't to the same extent last season) and generally being useless in every other area (which also happened quite a lot last season but was offset by his finishing).
Anyway, I've seen this movie before, 17 games into the 14/15 season we lost at Anoeta, Lucho was almost done as manager, Messi was fed up with him and we were 6 points behind Real Madrid, ended up the season winning everything
That year taught me that at least until April you don't write a powerhouse off, same thing could apply for Real Madrid last season
That year taught me that at least until April you don't write a powerhouse off, same thing could apply for Real Madrid last season
Thought so. Barca need to get those 2 back into form.
Yup, RM's unbeaten run also can't keep going on. On the other hand, under Zidane they're nowhere near as dependent on their individuals it would seem.
We need either Iniesta coming back or one of the other guys (Dennis, Rafinha, Gomes, Turan) doing a leap forward and playing like proper Barcelona midfielders, beyond Turan for moments and Iniesta everyone else has been awful this season
And Busquets is another problem, he had another stinker 3 seasons ago and it should've been an alarm, no one took that into consideration and now that we're in another mess with him in an awful form we still lack a competent guy to let him rest and pick up his form
There is a trend that Lucho's Barça each season seem to struggle with Celta and Málaga as well. Also having enormous troubles against the worst Valencia since Koeman.
He doesn't seem to have any answers.
Because it's poor weather the ref should ignore the rules and play less minutes, yeah okay then.
To be fair it's not even really surprising that your team got outplayed with a midfield of Suarez-Busquets-Gomes. That's just terrible.
There is big problem for Barca in midfield, their usual starters are in a terrible form (Rakitic and Busquets) and Gomes is plain shit. D.Suarez is no Iniesta but at least he can drive the ball and break some lignes, Gomes is incapable of doing that. Roberto is dreadful at RB. They are a team, if one of their starters is injured/suspended, you can instantly see the impact on the pitch.
Shows how important and great Iniesta is as well.
No idea what happened to Gomes, but he is actual quality, was very good last season but seems to not suit the Barcelona tactics or formation or what they want him to do on the ground very well. I am wondering if it is because they are asking him to play deeper as a CM rather than his usual role of an attacking midfielder closer to the box.
I think if Gomes leaves (and he prob will) and is played back in that position you will see his quality again.
It's always been the issue, even when they won the treble under Lucho - the Cruyff/Pep identify is and has been missing. The success of the team is predicated on MSN and getting the ball to them. Only post-Pep do you see a Barcelona midfield outplayed by the opposition
Heat map
Aleix Vidal & Turan were election gimmick signings and the board in all the things they've done well since failed to address the departure of Alves - which they knew about for some time. Replacing a legend like Dani is no easy task but converting a CM into one is not a longterm solution. Don't think the winter transfer market will address their needs either but seems clear the board is finally recognizing the glaring need at RB
They really need specific midfielders for the roles they want them to play and like you said, asking a guy who was at his best an attacking midfielder, to sort of change his game, is asking him to do something very difficult. Iniesta is amazing, like the perfect player for their system of carrying the ball to the MSN to do damage.
Not really. Seems to me to be more of a fitness/hunger problem than anything. Quite simply they don't run enough, they are too slow and look uninterested in pressing, and they're playing without urgency. They're playing like real madrid does a lot of times against inferior opposition, it's just that between injuries, fitness, personal issues and suspensions, and a lack of game-winners from the bench, their star-forwards haven't been able to keep up with ours. Also, refs haven't been quite as kind to them as they've been to us so far. At the end of the day, if they beat alaves and malaga(this one the ref's fault) at home, and lost yesterday, they would be only 3 points behind. And they played at balaidos, sanchez pizjuan, mestalla and san mames, whereas we've "only" played at the calderon(and anoeta, and we were very lucky to play there the first game of the season) so far
the gossip sport press writes that the MSN is fed up with Luis Enrique. They even mention an important player saying "he is the worst coach in my career". The reason: the change to a more direct style that doesn't suit the players and his tactical nullity.
It's not very reliable media but in this case seems pretty realistic to me.
I think that Digne is not good enough for Barsa level and the same could be said about Rafinha.
I love Turan but I still don't know which is supposed to be his task in the team.
Gomes needs to wake up.
I guess that Robert is partially responsable for this mess. The lack of some decent right back is a big mistake.
On the other hand Umtiti seems a very good signing.
It's not very reliable media but in this case seems pretty realistic to me.
I think that Digne is not good enough for Barsa level and the same could be said about Rafinha.
I love Turan but I still don't know which is supposed to be his task in the team.
Gomes needs to wake up.
I guess that Robert is partially responsable for this mess. The lack of some decent right back is a big mistake.
On the other hand Umtiti seems a very good signing.
Just goes to show that Iniesta is main culprit for their style of play - you just can't replace him whatever the tactics. It's no coincidence their bad run began with Iniesta picking up his injury.
I'm quite happy with the additions of Digne, Umtiti & Gomes - can't say the same for Paco, Turan & Vidal
Responsibility for some of the squad makeup issues falls more on the board than Robert since he's quite new to this. The de-emphasis of the cantera and demolition of the B team (Eventhough they sit atop their division) is a big reason why youth players aren't integrating seamlessly into the first team, especially midfielders like Samper. No one could convince me that Munir, Adama or Deulofeu couldn't offer more than Paco.
A lot of gossip always surrounds the club but wouldn't surprise me if MSN were annoyed with Lucho, plenty of fans are and it's irrespective of the availability of Iniesta. Pep & Lucho's Barca reflect the players they were - midfield vs no midfield
Barcelona have an incredible front three but their midfield is well behind Madrid's and too reliant on Iniesta. They're behind in the RB position too. Unless they win the classico, Madrid are big favorites to win the league.
Why didn't you like the addition of Turan?.
Deulofeu is great but for what I heard his attitude wasn't the best.
Munir could do a good job but the question is how long he wanted to stay in the bench.He had to progress.
That's the problem with MSN,the quality distance with any substitute.I guess that Alcácer was not the first option.Other strikers weren't so naive to think about rotations with Suárez.
I think that Luis Enrique won't continue the next season even if the team improves.
I like the player but never liked the fit
That's the beauty of bad publicity, the truth takes a back seat. He's a cocky kid who has struggled with tracking back but the attitude rumours are unsubstantiated
Yes, he had to progress but the way youth players at Barcelona typically progressed was by being integrated into the first team not loaned into purgatory much less transferred for another youth player who is just going to sit anyway in Alcacer.
I recognize that with MSN, they understandably have to be given service but you do it at the expense of your midfield and you lose both control & the Barcelona playing identity
Lucho hasn't renewed yet but regardless of the trophies at the end of the season many won't be too upset if he's replaced. For me, he's tactically naive and has never managed to change a match based on adjustments. In this regard, he's more Tata than Pep
Good reply @FCBarca ,I think that Valverde could do a good job in Barna.We will see on saturday.16:15,an awful time to play a clásico.
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