Yeah they're unlucky not to be at least drawing
La Liga 2016/17
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Second consecutive win for Valencia. Interim manager Voro's record with Valencia over the years is - 8 wins, 1 draw, 1 loss. But these are spread over almost 8 years so we can't look too much into it. Just some fun facts.
He's also the last manager to win some silverware with Valencia, is he not? The Copa of '08, I believe.
Yes he took charge before Emery and right after Koeman had finished destroying Valencia.He's also the last manager to win some silverware with Valencia, is he not? The Copa of '08, I believe.
Yea I was being sarcastic. My point is that we're 6 games into the season, hardly the time to compare how competitive a league is at this point.
It wouldn't have fit his argument if he didn't include them as favourites to win.
Depor played a good first half in Calderón,compact and covering well the spaces.Giménez and Augusto both injured.At the end of the first half, second yellow card to Fajr.Game over for Depor
Griezmann's goal.
Nani's first goal for Valencia.
Is it just me who thinks that Atletico Madrid always seem to win 1-0?
No. Don't think they ever give anyone a real hiding in La Liga.
I think last week it was 4 or 5 nil to them
but yeah, they're not a free scoring side. Defensively, they've almost been immaculate for the past half decade thoughDiego Alves now has saved more penalties than anyone in La Liga history.
1. DIEGO ALVES | 37 penalties - 17 stopped - 44,44%
2. ZUBIZARRETA | 103 penalites- 16 stopped - 15,53%
3. BUYO | 70 penalties - 15 stopped - 21,43%
4. ESNAOLA | 68 penalties - 14 stopped - 20,59%
5. CAÑIZARES | 57 penalties - 13 stopped - 22,81%
1. DIEGO ALVES | 37 penalties - 17 stopped - 44,44%
2. ZUBIZARRETA | 103 penalites- 16 stopped - 15,53%
3. BUYO | 70 penalties - 15 stopped - 21,43%
4. ESNAOLA | 68 penalties - 14 stopped - 20,59%
5. CAÑIZARES | 57 penalties - 13 stopped - 22,81%
But we're constantly told it's a 2 team league(changed to 3) and Real and Barcelona win 4+ every week...
That's because it's the truth and it has been like that for a very long time, you simply can't refute that. It was like 15 years ago that a team other than Barca, Real or Atletico won La liga.. They were 25 points clear at the end of last season, Real and Barca score 100+ goals every season etcetc.
What the table looks like after 6 rounds says absolutely nothing about how competitive or close a league is.
Rossi is pure class.
It's not true, it's a laughable unfounded claim from clueless PL fans.
There has been 4 La Liga winners since 04, England 5. The only reason it's been higher is due to two sugar daddy owners buying Chelsea and Man City. Leicester City lost two less games than Barcelona last season, whilst one was an undeserved loss at Arsenal in injury time. Leicester won the league by TEN points but apparently it's a more competitive league than La Liga at the top that was separated by 3 points between the top 3.
There was a 33 point gap between 10th and bottom in England last season, 13 in Spain. Was actually a 32 point gap from 4th placed Villarreal to bottom Levante. But hey England is so close from top to bottom apparently....
This season already Barcelona have dropped 5 points, including a defeat at home to a newly promoted team, City are winning every game. But we still see the usual posts about Barca or Real winning easily every week. Man City struggled last season yet still won numerous games by 4 or more goals, but that gets ignored.
You do realise Barcelona and Real have two of the best teams in the world and would score 100 goals in England easily? In-fact no doubt you believe they would struggle against the mighty Stoke, Sunderland, WBA, Bournemouth, Watford, Palace, Swansea, Burnley, Middlesbrough, Hull...
Augusto broke the cruciate ligament, 6/7 months out.
Pione Sisto's goal was amazing! He picked up the ball near his own box and ran with it and scored at the other end. Although it was the last minute of the game and Espanyol weren't defending well. This guy is a genuine talent.
urgs. poor fecker. Was it a foul or just bad luck?
http://futbol.as.com/futbol/2016/09/25/primera/1474814612_935512.html?autoplay=1
Yes, poor guy, bad luck again
That sucks, hopefully he makes a speedy recovery.
It's not true, it's a laughable unfounded claim from clueless PL fans.
There has been 4 La Liga winners since 04, England 5. The only reason it's been higher is due to two sugar daddy owners buying Chelsea and Man City. Leicester City lost two less games than Barcelona last season, whilst one was an undeserved loss at Arsenal in injury time. Leicester won the league by TEN points but apparently it's a more competitive league than La Liga at the top that was separated by 3 points between the top 3.
There was a 33 point gap between 10th and bottom in England last season, 13 in Spain. Was actually a 32 point gap from 4th placed Villarreal to bottom Levante. But hey England is so close from top to bottom apparently....
This season already Barcelona have dropped 5 points, including a defeat at home to a newly promoted team, City are winning every game. But we still see the usual posts about Barca or Real winning easily every week. Man City struggled last season yet still won numerous games by 4 or more goals, but that gets ignored.
You do realise Barcelona and Real have two of the best teams in the world and would score 100 goals in England easily? In-fact no doubt you believe they would struggle against the mighty Stoke, Sunderland, WBA, Bournemouth, Watford, Palace, Swansea, Burnley, Middlesbrough, Hull...
The argument is that the difference between the top teams and the rest in Spain are much bigger than in England, and that is true no matter how many rediculous arguments you come up with. You make one argument where you twist or ignore one aspect of the league and then for your next argument you use that aspect to show how close and competitive it is.
The fact that the PL champions lost fewer games than the La Liga champs says absolutely nothing about how competitive the league is. But if we look at that then you have to look at more than just how many games they lost, what about the wins and draws? Barca won 29 games while Leicester won 23, and they ended up with 10 points more. In fact all the top three teams in La liga had more points than the PL champions... Barca and Real also scored almost twice as many goals as Leicester.
You very conviniently use last season 10th-to-bottom comparision because Aston Villa had a terrible season last year. It doesn't prove anything and that was a one off shit show by a lousy team, it has nothing to do with the league itself. The difference between 10th and 19th in the PL was 16 points btw, 4th to 19th was 32 points, very, very, very similiar to La liga.
There has been three La liga winners since 05 while the PL has had four different champions in the last four years. Only four times over the past 32 years has there been a winner other than Real, Barca and Atletico so this is not something people started saying in the last few years.
I do realise that Barca and Real (and Atletico) are some of the absolute best teams in the world, that's my whole fecking point! They would absolutely crush the bottom 10 teams in the PL, but they don't because they happen to play in Spain, and that's why people say that La liga is so uncompetitive and that there's a gulf of difference between the top and the rest of the league.
Your argument is basically that La liga is very competitive if we ignore the top three teams. However, those three teams are the very reason why people say La liga isn't competitive.
That post is a load of nonsense, but then again you did claim City will struggle and finish 6th this season, Pep would struggle to adapt to the league etc.
Also going back 32 years when talking about the current competitiveness of the leagues is actually hilarious..
A league's competitiveness is based on more than just the difference between 3rd and fourth. He's some facts from last season;
Title race - More competitive in La Liga
Relegation - As above
10th to bottom - As above
4th to bottom - As above
Top to bottom - As above
The only one thing EPL had over La Liga in competitive terms was the top 4 race.
Already this season there's a 17 point gap from top to bottom in England, 12 in Spain. City are 4 points clear of second, 4 points separates the top 8 in Spain. But hey La Liga is shit, only 3 good teams, nothing competitive about the rest of the league.....
I love watching both leagues, but the whole La Liga is a three team league, not competitive, Barca/Real win easily each weak is a load of garbage and the facts don't entertain that lazy argument. Anyway my post was just a slight wee dig at those claims, no point ruining this thread any further.
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That post is a load of nonsense, but then again you did claim City will struggle and finish 6th this season, Pep would struggle to adapt to the league etc.
Also going back 32 years when talking about the current competitiveness of the leagues is actually hilarious..
A league's competitiveness is based on more than just the difference between 3rd and fourth. He's some facts from last season;
Title race - More competitive in La Liga
Relegation - As above
10th to bottom - As above
4th to bottom - As above
Top to bottom - As above
The only one thing EPL had over La Liga in competitive terms was the top 4 race.
Already this season there's a 17 point gap from top to bottom in England, 12 in Spain. City are 4 points clear of second, 4 points separates the top 8 in Spain. But hey La Liga is shit, only 3 good teams, nothing competitive about the rest of the league.....
I love watching both leagues, but the whole La Liga is a three team league, not competitive, Barca/Real win easily each weak is a load of garbage and the facts don't entertain that lazy argument. Anyway my post was just a slight wee dig at those claims, no point ruining this thread any further.
"But hey La Liga is shit, only 3 good teams, nothing competitive about the rest of the league....."
No one has ever said anything about place 4-20 being uncompetitive. You are creating an argument that doesn't exist to prove your point. Why is it so difficult for you to understand this?!
"A league's competitiveness is based on more than just the difference between 3rd and fourth."
The argument is that there is a massive difference in points and quality between the top 2-3 teams and the rest of the league over a very long period of time, making the league uncompetitive. The difference between what used to be 2nd to 3rd and now 3rd to 4th shows exactly that.
Your attempts of refuting this by saying that the difference in points between team 10-20 isn't that big is missing the point entirely.
"Barca/Real win easily each weak is a load of garbage and the facts don't entertain that lazy argument."
Maybe you should look at the facts then because that's exactly what they do. They win around 30 games/season or more and usually score way more than 100 goals. No team has ever won 30 games or more in the PL and only one team has scored more than 100 when Chelsea scored 103.
Btw, my post was a load of nonsense? Everything I said was true and you know it, otherwise you would have tried to argue it instead of ignoring it and repeating the same BS again. You are using last seasons results (and 6 games of this season, which is even more rediculous) alone to refute the argument, and doing so makes me question if you even know what we are arguing about. Going back 32 years does show exactly what we're talking about. You are talking about one single year, but no one started saying La liga is not competitive last year did they? It has been done for literally decades which was the point I was trying to make.
The only reason your arguments about points work is because Aston Villa had an unbelievably crappy season last year. It again shows that you can't see the full picture and cherry pick arguments that suit your case. You use the failiure of one shit team over one season to judge an entire league, which is just absurd. Why don't you take a look at the difference between top and bottom in La Liga over the last 5 years, you'll see that it's bigger than last years PL even without one particular team bottling it.
Btw, I've said no such thing about City nor Pep, you are either lying or confusing me with someone else.
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It's not true, it's a laughable unfounded claim from clueless PL fans.
There has been 4 La Liga winners since 04, England 5. The only reason it's been higher is due to two sugar daddy owners buying Chelsea and Man City. Leicester City lost two less games than Barcelona last season, whilst one was an undeserved loss at Arsenal in injury time. Leicester won the league by TEN points but apparently it's a more competitive league than La Liga at the top that was separated by 3 points between the top 3.
There was a 33 point gap between 10th and bottom in England last season, 13 in Spain. Was actually a 32 point gap from 4th placed Villarreal to bottom Levante. But hey England is so close from top to bottom apparently....
This season already Barcelona have dropped 5 points, including a defeat at home to a newly promoted team, City are winning every game. But we still see the usual posts about Barca or Real winning easily every week. Man City struggled last season yet still won numerous games by 4 or more goals, but that gets ignored.
You do realise Barcelona and Real have two of the best teams in the world and would score 100 goals in England easily? In-fact no doubt you believe they would struggle against the mighty Stoke, Sunderland, WBA, Bournemouth, Watford, Palace, Swansea, Burnley, Middlesbrough, Hull...
If we are considering barca/real in the EPL, you need to factor in the help they have got from the government(historically) and the tv revenue not being shared. Thats the main reason why united didnt dominate the league like those two did rather wanting to maintain the competitiveness.
Sorry it was someone with a similar Zlatan username but with a number, apologies.
Barcelona and Real win easily each week or most weeks is inaccurate.. Barcelona failed to win 9 games last season, in a further 8 games won by a single goal. That's 17 games that they factually didn't win 'easily' or by 3+ goals. That's nearly half the league games, so yeah as said before facts prove it's a myth.
Quick question for the more avid La Liga watchers ahead of wednesday's big clash:
How have Atletico been doing this season? How's their form? 3 wins, 3 draws is a stat that doesn't let me draw any conclusions without having watched a game.
How have Atletico been doing this season? How's their form? 3 wins, 3 draws is a stat that doesn't let me draw any conclusions without having watched a game.
They've been pretty good on the whole. Fully deserved the draw at Camp Nou and were defensively very good in that game.
They were unlucky against Alaves at home, completely dominated and got the breakthrough in the 93rd minute, only to concede 2 mins later to the only shot on target Alaves had. Similarly against Leganes they were the superior team but couldn't get the breakthrough. Performance wise it's been good, results wise disappointing in the opening two fixtures.
About City and Chelsea? They got tons of money even before the fair play shit and they never dominated Europe, Real and Barca get the best players and they have good academies as well.
They were fairly wasteful against Alaves and Leganes and could have won both games. There are minor tweaks in their system and Simeone was willing to use two winger (Carrasco + Gaitan) or an asymmetrical 433, while moving away from the 442 with Koke + Saul starting out wide. Gameiro, despite struggling a bit to score, is a great fit and improves them a lot. With Augusto out injured I´d expect them to start like this:
Gameiro
Carrasco – Griezmann
Koke – Saul
Gabi
Filiple Luis – Godin – Savic – Juanfran
Oblak
That formation could be also seen as:
Gameiro
Griezmann
Carrasco – Koke – Gabi - Saul
Filiple Luis – Godin – Savic – Juanfran
Oblak
Carrasco – Griezmann
Koke – Saul
Gabi
Filiple Luis – Godin – Savic – Juanfran
Oblak
That formation could be also seen as:
Gameiro
Griezmann
Carrasco – Koke – Gabi - Saul
Filiple Luis – Godin – Savic – Juanfran
Oblak
Despite dropping a few points, they are in good form and nasty to play against. That said I expect a slightly different game compared to our last encounter, due to it not being a KO match. I don´t think that they put too much importance on it, which makes us slight favorite.
You're using one teams stats from one single season but whatever.. Sure, they don't win 8-0 every week, I'll give you that. But the point is that even if they don't win by 5 goals every game, they still win ~30 games every single season year in and year out. The fact is that it's a very uncompetitive league because the same 2-3 teams are constantly ending up with 20+ points more than the others, and that's not a "myth" no matter how you twist it.
Like I said, Zidane is a flop.
He managed Castilla and they got relegated.
edit: I'm not a fan of Mourinho, so...
Drawing 3 games for a team like Real madrid is bad. madrid is not United.
Madrid is a tier 1 team, unlike you guys
He managed Castilla and they got relegated.
edit: I'm not a fan of Mourinho, so...
Drawing 3 games for a team like Real madrid is bad. madrid is not United.
Madrid is a tier 1 team, unlike you guys
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I wish we had 'flops' manage us who can win the Champions League despite not having a full season to manage
. Sees like our managerial appointments need a few seasons to develop the team etc...@Mark_Barca You can use stats and numbers to show anything. How does one determine competitiveness anyway? The parameters change from one person to another and the conclusions change with them. It is however indisputable that there is something about La Liga that feels inequal and this has always been the case since even before Barcelona became the monster they are now. My view on it from experience is simply the level interest (coverage, fanbase, media attention, etc) in La Liga is overly focused on the top two. It feels in that country like nobody gives a toss about the rest. Your main newspapers are team focused, the TV deal is team focused and it just feels like they are bigger than the league. England is different, every team has its own little story from manager, players, fanbase, little subplots here and there and yes, you are going to argue that it is all made up by the media hyping everything up and you are most likely right. But that's exactly the point, England is a country that genuinely finds the average teams interesting and treat them more equally than the big teams. This less emphasised hierarchy in England in my opinion is what gives that impression that England boasts a more competitive league.
So both Pako and Paco have been fired now. Meanwhile Cesare Prandelli close to Valencia according to reports.
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