Okay, I should have said that it is one of several reasons. But Ter Stegen's ceiling as a libero goalkeeper is simply higher than Bravo's top level, therefore age is certainly not the only reason.
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Bravo is himself very good with his feet. The only real difference between them is age. If anything, Bravo might currently be the better of the two.
I didn't say Bravo is not good with his feet, I said Ter Stegen's ceiling as a ball playing keeper is higher. And 'ceiling' means potential top level, not the current level. It's certainly a small gamble by Barcelona, but they trust Ter Stegen to fulfill his potential.
But of course we don't have to agree on this, no problem.
If he cuts out his errors with his feet, I agree, however IMO Bravo is a superior shot stopper and was better in the air. Although Ter Stegen with his height should be better and can improve in that aspect.
Oh my goodness, how many chances will Suarez and Leo waste!
No, I think we do agree on how we rate the two players. The only thing we disagree on is that there is anything really separating the two. If the ages were reversed you'd (rightly) be saying that Bravo's ceiling is higher because of what he'd shown by a certain age and Ter Stegen would be playing for City. I just don't really see much more to it than that.
Stability is his main issue in my eyes. Ability-wise Ter Stegen is a complete keeper (which doesn't mean the best in every aspect, or that he doesn't have room to improve), but he needs to become more reliable and reduce the frequency of errors and shaky moments. To improve on this, he needs top level experience on a more regular basis than 'just' the cup competitions, which he'll get now.
And yes, Bravo is an outstanding shot stopper of course.
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Yep, that's pretty much it.
First class acting there.
Anybody else think that was a penalty? 
Muniain 
Rakitic has been one of the best signings Barca has made, he's so underrated but nobody mentions Xavi anymore he's slipped in unnoticed in the Barca machine as an important cog in that engine room yet doesn't get even half the credit Xavi did for making a career doing sideways passes.
Time Rakitic got the respect he deserves as one of the best midfielders in World football
Time Rakitic got the respect he deserves as one of the best midfielders in World football
Not really, at least the ref was right on this one.Anybody else think that was a penalty?
Muniain went down like a joke, but looked like Rak did kick the back of his heel.
Amazing defending at the end there.
Jesus, how was that not a goal.
If anything it was a foul on Muniain.
Asenjo; Mario, Musacchio, V.Ruiz, J.Costa; Castillejo, Bruno, Trigueros, Soriano; Sansone y Pato. #VillarrealSevilla
Pato already off injured again.
Some of those counter attacks during last match were so good. This is what Enrique tweaked with Pep's side. Quick passing from the midfielders, specially Rakitic. We couldn't have found someone better than him, specially at 18m. He's goes un-noticed, but he's a gem.
Alcacer just completed his medical at Barcelona, will be officially announced as the last signing of this summer transfer window. Looks like Munir will indeed go on loan to Valencia instea of Celta Vigo, somehow linked to the operation for Paco. Personally, I preferred keeping Munir to Paco but am a fan of the young striker who has a similar profile to David Villa
Getting Alcacer as backup for Suarez is insane. Not sure that it is a great career move for him, because Suarez is untouchable, but it is a fantastic signing for Barca.
yesterday the 0:0 at the Madrigal was quite fortunate for Sevilla. Villarreal were the better team but struggled to capitalize (one miracle save from Rico ~62th minute). They are still very solid, but lack a bit of quality in front of the goal with Bakambu and Soldado both being injured. They´ll be okay.
Sevilla is work in progress. There were positive aspects, but they have a long way to go. Mariano needs to learn how to cross the ball. He was a couple of times in excellent positions just to squander it. He made Antonio Valencia´s crosses look okay. Despite being organised, we were still vulnerable at the back. Vitolo played a good first half as wing back, but switched off. He´ll be crucial this season, because he can create a bit of magic every now and than. Vietto tried to get involved but didn´t get enough service. I hope he stays engaged and keeps his head up. A midfield with Sarabia and Kiyotake is just lacking quality.
I don´t fully understand why Monchi/Sampaoli try to replace Rico. I like Sirigu and he might be better with his feet, but that still makes little sense. I just hope, that Monchi surprises me by unearthing a couple of gems. This Caio fella sounds really interesting (thanks @prarek ). I´d like Camacho. Maybe Roque Mesa or Özyakup could be options. Dunno, he really needs to out-do himself.
N´zonzi leaving would be devastating (30m clause and Leicester is interested). Konoplyanka seems to be on his way out. He wasn´t even in the squad and Liverpool, Schalke and Leicester seem to be interested. These clubs all are frequently paying over the odds, so Sevilla would get a lot of money that they could reinvest.
yesterday the 0:0 at the Madrigal was quite fortunate for Sevilla. Villarreal were the better team but struggled to capitalize (one miracle save from Rico ~62th minute). They are still very solid, but lack a bit of quality in front of the goal with Bakambu and Soldado both being injured. They´ll be okay.
Sevilla is work in progress. There were positive aspects, but they have a long way to go. Mariano needs to learn how to cross the ball. He was a couple of times in excellent positions just to squander it. He made Antonio Valencia´s crosses look okay. Despite being organised, we were still vulnerable at the back. Vitolo played a good first half as wing back, but switched off. He´ll be crucial this season, because he can create a bit of magic every now and than. Vietto tried to get involved but didn´t get enough service. I hope he stays engaged and keeps his head up. A midfield with Sarabia and Kiyotake is just lacking quality.
I don´t fully understand why Monchi/Sampaoli try to replace Rico. I like Sirigu and he might be better with his feet, but that still makes little sense. I just hope, that Monchi surprises me by unearthing a couple of gems. This Caio fella sounds really interesting (thanks @prarek ). I´d like Camacho. Maybe Roque Mesa or Özyakup could be options. Dunno, he really needs to out-do himself.
N´zonzi leaving would be devastating (30m clause and Leicester is interested). Konoplyanka seems to be on his way out. He wasn´t even in the squad and Liverpool, Schalke and Leicester seem to be interested. These clubs all are frequently paying over the odds, so Sevilla would get a lot of money that they could reinvest.
Looks more like a long term replacement for suarez, good bit of business from barca again.
Wow.
Good signing, just adding more and more depth to your side. Impressive.
Not sure if it was the best move for Alacer, mind. But I'm sure between squad rotation and injuries/suspensions etc. he'll seen sufficient minutes.
After all, your biggest issue last season was running out of steam right at the end, due to your lack of squad depth, which you've addressed well this summer. Gomes, Suarez, Digne, Umtiti, Alacer + Cellissen. All very good additions to the squad. Actually a very busy summer for you.
Switched on sometime during the 2nd half (Villarreal-Sevilla) and thought Vietto was mostly playing for himself, e.g. missed the pass to Kolo when he was clear for goal only to try for himself and get blocked.
After watching the PL earlier this week-end I once again was surprised on how confident spanish teams use to pass the ball, even centre mids rarely have problems with direct passing. Both teams however lacked penetration (or what the germans know as "Durchschlagskraft") in front of goal.
After watching the PL earlier this week-end I once again was surprised on how confident spanish teams use to pass the ball, even centre mids rarely have problems with direct passing. Both teams however lacked penetration (or what the germans know as "Durchschlagskraft") in front of goal.
Amazing business all round this summer. Good deals done - gang of 22!
Alright, guv'nor. You are making it look like Xavi friggin' Hernandez was Tom CleverleyDepth was definitely an issue, many fans worried about this the season before since so much burden was placed on MSN. Agree on Paco too, think it's a sad story for him & for Los Che faithful - they've been jerked around for a few seasons now and losing a local star like this has to hurt. Especially when you consider he rebuffed moves away for several years, even Barcelona came looking years ago.
Barcelona gain a good attacking young player but lose Munir who was coming into his own too
Aye, one of the very, very few drawbacks of having some of the greatest players in your side - you can't give promising youngsters enough time to really develop. One of the reason Thiago left as well, iirc.
But yeah, you guys have done some good business.
No, Thiago left for a variety of other reasons - mostly pushed out by board (perhaps Lucho?).
Latest on Munir is supposedly the only sticking point (Lim predicated the Alcacer transfer on Munir coming to Valencia as opposed to Celta Vigo) is whether it is a permanent transfer or include a buyback. Can't imagine he is sold without a buyback
Latest on Munir is supposedly the only sticking point (Lim predicated the Alcacer transfer on Munir coming to Valencia as opposed to Celta Vigo) is whether it is a permanent transfer or include a buyback. Can't imagine he is sold without a buyback
And thus, the cycle of Valencia being the feeding club of Barcelona continues. Now, if Real Madrid tries to sign a VCF player the fanbase lose their shit, but as long as it's Barça they seem calm.
Is the implication that Valencia fans are ok with this? Because you'd be wrong. Cules don't like it either
It's a terrible deal anyway you look at it, IMHO. A La Masia talent being effectively sold for another club's youth star for nearly triple the fee - I struggle to see how it helps anyone involved, other than Lim wrt FFP
Why the feck does Paco Alcacer want to play 2nd fiddle? Yes Barca plays 50+ games but MSN will be in the first XI in at least 35 of them anyway.
He'll likely play more than Munir did last season but still half of what he did with Valencia - Paco is merely getting off a sinking ship, it had to be bad to leave your boyhood club. Barcelona was a natural destination because of all the links and playing style, personality etc.
Giving up on Munir though, I struggle to understand it
I'm speaking about what I've been seeing for years from VCF fans (the native ones at least), they act resignated when FCB sign one of their players but generally acceptant. Whereas when Madrid expresses interest, they react to it as if it were an aberration. It's been like that ever since the Mijatovic deal, which was very sour for them. So even though Barça is the one club luring their players away, they still hold a grudge for RM while being benevolent of FCB.
I agree that the deal is terrible for all implicated parts – for Barça, which get an expensive player whose talent is going to rot away in the bench when they could give an opportunity for Munir - for Valencia as well, as this operation leaves them without their most beloved and talented player in hard times, and for Alcacer, who will get his progression stunted (I don't believe for one that he'll get meaningful time while Suarez try to chase scoring records. He will play in Copa del Rey and that's it).
So much for Cantera vs Cartera. The motto has gone to hell since Rosell stepped in, and has worsened under Bartomeu
Don't disagree at all, in terms of approach Barcelona under Barto & Rosell have mirrored the RM approach - this is something many fans saw coming a mile away before they were elected, they are corporate whores. Meanwhile the cantera marginalised.
I see an eventual backlash against this approach from fans tbh but we're still in the midst of the money era that defines most things
I see an eventual backlash against this approach from fans tbh but we're still in the midst of the money era that defines most things
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