I don't think it's such a terrible move for Alcacer. Yes, he won't be first choice but Barcelona usually play maximum games available minus 3 at most (and that's if they exit CL at quarterfinal which only happens if they stumble upon Atletico) and he'll be number one cover for all 3 attacking positions. There'll also be injuries, fatigue and other things - he will get games.
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I'm sure he'll get games/minutes and probably more than the 800 so minutes Munir got last season but well short of the minutes he got at Valencia. Just think for a young player, halving your minutes isn't the wisest career move but as it has been said, Valencia appears to be a sinking ship. I like Paco too, a player I wanted at Barcelona years ago. Just seems a strange piece of business to pay big for someone else's youth product and ship our own out who was developing quite nicely it must be said.
Sporting wise and financially, hard to understand
So the deal on Munir doesn't involve a buyback clause? Because if it did/does then it is a pretty sweet deal. Munir would have never been given enough play time at Barca as he would get in Valencia. And if he proves to become a phenomenal player, then there are already green lights for Barca to buy him back. Like Real Madrid did with Carvajal or Morata. But if there isn't any clause of that sort, well, then it is an odd deal... Paco is certainly revealing his 'ambitions' when being eager to sit on the bench 85% of the season. But as long as he is no Ezquerro then it shouldn't be a problem anyway.
@PedroMendez Yeah, Sevilla won 1p at Madrigal. Could have gone worse if Rico wasn't in the way, as you also mention. It was a lousy game, quite obvious that we are still at the beginning of the season. Both teams struggle with consistency in their passing and movements, but Sevilla were worse. However; quite impressive to follow up a 6-4 game with 0-0
Leaving Konoplyanka outside the squad is a firm indication that he is being pushed out of the club. All the rumours of players coming in and players leaving the club seem to differ on day to day basis. We won't be able to rest until after wednesday.
It came to my mind as well, @Ridge Racer, that it has been like that since the Mijatovic transfer. However, in terms of reducing Valencia as Barca's feeding club - I can't help but to feel that my Sevilla is a bit worse on that department. Adriano, Alves, Rakitic, Keita, Aleix Vidal...Even Luis Alberto and Rodri went to Barca B at one point. Maybe Barcelona got some of the league rivals by the balls, or maybe those who work in some of the clubs are part time cules, like the clown Cristobal Soria, who unintentionally admitted it during one of his rants at Chiringuito. Fortunately he isn't working at Sevilla anymore, but to see him making a big fool of himself every time he is on that show, makes it disturbing to think that this guy was an employee at Sevilla once upon a time.
@PedroMendez Yeah, Sevilla won 1p at Madrigal. Could have gone worse if Rico wasn't in the way, as you also mention. It was a lousy game, quite obvious that we are still at the beginning of the season. Both teams struggle with consistency in their passing and movements, but Sevilla were worse. However; quite impressive to follow up a 6-4 game with 0-0
Leaving Konoplyanka outside the squad is a firm indication that he is being pushed out of the club. All the rumours of players coming in and players leaving the club seem to differ on day to day basis. We won't be able to rest until after wednesday.
It came to my mind as well, @Ridge Racer, that it has been like that since the Mijatovic transfer. However, in terms of reducing Valencia as Barca's feeding club - I can't help but to feel that my Sevilla is a bit worse on that department. Adriano, Alves, Rakitic, Keita, Aleix Vidal...Even Luis Alberto and Rodri went to Barca B at one point. Maybe Barcelona got some of the league rivals by the balls, or maybe those who work in some of the clubs are part time cules, like the clown Cristobal Soria, who unintentionally admitted it during one of his rants at Chiringuito. Fortunately he isn't working at Sevilla anymore, but to see him making a big fool of himself every time he is on that show, makes it disturbing to think that this guy was an employee at Sevilla once upon a time.
But like with Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema at Real Madrid, the three stars upfront for Barcelona never seems to be rested, they play everytime regardless of opponents, even though they could easily rest one or two of them in a lot of the home games.
You could also add Suarez isn't getting any younger he'll be 30 this season.
Players nowadays are more selfish than ever; they try to make us think that they care for the team but the reality is that they want to compete for records and prestige, and in a league featuring Suarez, Ronaldo, Neymar & Messi, well, they're gonna chase records. Most players nowadays hate to be sitting in the bench when they could score a relatively easy hat-trick against minnows. Ronaldo goal scoring record the past season would have been woeful if Benitez/Zidane had the decision to rest him against lesser sides.
Zidane did rest him by the end of last season because of his sore knee. If it was up to Cristiano then he would have played in first leg vs city and the league games he was put aside.
In fact; Zidane has had the balls to not force the stars back to end of the pre-season and also haven't let Cristiano be urged back to the squad,despite him being ok for a week now. Ancelotti was the complete opposite in terms of handling egos, since he always caved in.
It's really sad what has become of La Masia.
Horrendous move for Paco in a footballing sense, will be limited to a handful of starts. He has the potential to be a top top striker and this will hurt his development.
What position will Alcacer be placed into? Wide forward or center forward?
CF, not suited to playing the other two roles.
Cool. If Pep was still the coach, he would play in the wide role, I reckon? In a role very similar to David Villa and Pedro. Making diagonal runs, stretching play and finish moves clinically?
he is a centre forward using him somewhere else would be a waste. Even for Pep.
Dangerous move in that case. Suarez seems to rarely miss games when he's not munching on opponents shoulders.
I actually didn't know he was as big a talent as this thread suggests. Maybe Barca will rotate a tad more given how their team's legs seem to go at the end of last season.
Yay, that Spanish Cleverley was a total imposter.
Konoplyanka to Schalke and Nasri to Sevilla. Loan with a buyout fee around 15-16 million euros on Konoplyanka. Think Nasri is getting loaned to Sevilla as well. Sure, we went massive plus on Konoplyanka, but kind of sucks that he never found time to reach his potential in Sevilla. I have prejudgemental thoughts about Nasri's abilities as footballer, but he is very welcome to prove me wrong.
Nasri has talent but he is an utter cnut and I don´t think that anyone can convince him to act otherwise. Not a huge fan despite him having the quality to become important.
Paco to stop progressing and end up at Stoke City in 3 years. 
True. Paco, for me, is simply not a Barca type of player. Mina is more suited to Barca.
Don't agree, even on the youth level with La Roja, he was moved around in the attacking trident despite being a true CF. Villa had a similar profile as a player and did fine out wide, so no even Pep would play him wide when needed. But it does look like he will rotate mostly with Suarez as was expected of Munir
Nasri to Sampaoli? How does the Argentine expect a lazy player like Samir to play in his high octane system when Pep couldn't get him to do it for City? Odd move
Yeah he has come off as a cnut over the years. I have never thought of him as the gifted footballer his reputation states either. So I am not optimistic about this loan.
Yesterday there was a long meeting between Pitarch and Mendes so probably some player will arrive today. Are Garay or Mangala Mendes clients?. The press also said that Isco prefers Tottenham.Málaga fans will be very disappointed, even the owner Al Thani wrote in twitter about Isco.
I also wonder if Depor will bring someone with the money of Lucas Pérez. I think that already spent 10m€ to get the rights of Sidnei
I also wonder if Depor will bring someone with the money of Lucas Pérez. I think that already spent 10m€ to get the rights of Sidnei
Yes they are. And i hear there possibility of either or both joining Valencia in the coming days. Garay was actually supposed to join Valencia last season but i think Lim backed out after there was a backlash in Valencia about Mendes. So he went for Abdennour instead..
I've been watching Paco for Spain since the under 17s and he was never been moved around and was always solely played through the middle. Jese and Deulofeu have played either side of him in this period.
And all 3 would play off one another, very similar to how MSN play now - they moved around, I watched them then as well
Mangala medical is done. If Garay also comes then all of a sudden Valencia's defense looks better than last seasons.
Wouldn't that be a bit worrying for the teams who have bought last seasons defenders?
Mustafi? It's more about Abdennour really. I meant like this Mangala + Garay > Abdennour + anyone. Poor Mustafi never stood a chance with a partner like that lol.
Got you. They better hope Mangala hasn't been traumatised by his Man City experience.
Is Abdennour that bad?
Read a lot of comments from City fans. And the majority of them seem to rate him highly, they think he's just a bit raw and also might not be suited to Pep's system. It sounded like he was great second half of last season.
Overall yes he's been pretty bad. But he's shown glimpses of talent. He was great in the victory against Barcelona. But in general is reckless and clumsy. I also think maybe a team that sits deep suits his style better with backs to the wall kind of tactics. But judging someone on his first season is also a bit harsh i guess.
Mangala was never great for City. Maybe the odd game here and there usually he looked like bambi on ice. Incredibly clumsy doing one mistake after another. He is a physical beast, so there is always that "if he learns how to defend, he´ll be class" thing going on, but I have my doubts. Maybe had problems to integrate and understand his team-mates, but I doubt that this was all. Maybe some of the Portuguese posters (@Sly @Arruda ) can say something about his time in Porto. He was imo simply overrated.
That sounds like Abdennour. Imagine if Valencia end up with two Abdennours(or two Mangalas if you prefer). Garay deal is not yet confirmed..
Mandala was very good in his first year and then Faded a bit. The Porto fans i know remember him fondly, same can't be said about Martins Indi
they´ll probably trip each other and end up falling over the keeper to make sure that no one can stop the opposing attackers.That sounds like Abdennour. Imagine if Valencia end up with two Abdennours(or two Mangalas if you prefer). Garay deal is not yet confirmed..
Most Porto fans would rate him immensely, but I generally thought that was a bit over the top. He was an amazing physical specimen but prone to many errors. As usual, people optimistically assume these errors are due to inexperience and will iron out with time, but I just think he's not a smart defender, and intelligence doesn't really improve with age. I thought he could turn good at City but wasn't really convinced that would happen and I'd guess my posts at the time reflect this.
To me, he's in the David Luiz league of footballers that look impressive for some particular qualities, but aren't really that good overall as they are not suited to the position they play.
To me, he's in the David Luiz league of footballers that look impressive for some particular qualities, but aren't really that good overall as they are not suited to the position they play.
Phew!they´ll probably trip each other and end up falling over the keeper to make sure that no one can stop the opposing attackers.
So it's going to be Garay + Mangala/Abdennour.
thats a good signing. A shame that he went to Russia anyway.
Thanks @Sly and @Arruda
I totally agree with Arruda´s assessment.
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some of the la liga transfers:
Barca:
+ Gomes, Alcacer, Umtiti, Digne, Cillessen, D.Suarez
- Bravo, Bartra, Adriano, Vermaelen
Real:
+ Morata
- Jese
Atletico:
+ Gameiro, Gaitan, Vrsaljko,
- Vietto, Kranevitter, Gamez
Villarreal:
+ Soriano, Sansone, NDiaye, C. Espinoza, Cheryshev, Alvaro Gonzalez, Pato
- Bailly, Samu Garcia, D. Suarez,
Sevilla:
+ Vazquez, Correa, Ganso, Ben Yedder, Kiyotake, Vietto, Mercado, Kranebitter, Sarabia, Nasri, Sirigu
- Krychowiak, Gameiro, Banega, Coke, Reyes, Konoplyanka, Cristoforo, Beto
Valencia:
+ Nani, Montoya, Mangala, Mario Suarez, Garay, El Haddadi, Alvaro Medran
- Mustafi, Gomes, Alcacer, Rodrigo de Paul, Barragan, Fuego, Piatti, Feghouli
Espanyol:
+David Lopez, Alvaro Vazquez, Leo Baptistao, Roberto, Jurado, Fuego, Piatti, Reyes, Demichelis, Diego Lopez
-Alvaro Gonzalez
Granada:
+ Angulo, Carcela-Gonzalez, S. Samper
- Isaac Success, Ruben Rochina, Jhon Cordoba
Eibar:
+ Nano, Bebe, Alejandro Galvez, Florian Lejeune
- Keko
Celta Vigo:
+ Sisto, Naranjo, Roncaglia
- Nolito
Depor:
+ Andone, Albentosa, Tyton, Joselu
- Lucas Perez
Thanks @Sly and @Arruda
I totally agree with Arruda´s assessment.
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some of the la liga transfers:
Barca:
+ Gomes, Alcacer, Umtiti, Digne, Cillessen, D.Suarez
- Bravo, Bartra, Adriano, Vermaelen
Real:
+ Morata
- Jese
Atletico:
+ Gameiro, Gaitan, Vrsaljko,
- Vietto, Kranevitter, Gamez
Villarreal:
+ Soriano, Sansone, NDiaye, C. Espinoza, Cheryshev, Alvaro Gonzalez, Pato
- Bailly, Samu Garcia, D. Suarez,
Sevilla:
+ Vazquez, Correa, Ganso, Ben Yedder, Kiyotake, Vietto, Mercado, Kranebitter, Sarabia, Nasri, Sirigu
- Krychowiak, Gameiro, Banega, Coke, Reyes, Konoplyanka, Cristoforo, Beto
Valencia:
+ Nani, Montoya, Mangala, Mario Suarez, Garay, El Haddadi, Alvaro Medran
- Mustafi, Gomes, Alcacer, Rodrigo de Paul, Barragan, Fuego, Piatti, Feghouli
Espanyol:
+David Lopez, Alvaro Vazquez, Leo Baptistao, Roberto, Jurado, Fuego, Piatti, Reyes, Demichelis, Diego Lopez
-Alvaro Gonzalez
Granada:
+ Angulo, Carcela-Gonzalez, S. Samper
- Isaac Success, Ruben Rochina, Jhon Cordoba
Eibar:
+ Nano, Bebe, Alejandro Galvez, Florian Lejeune
- Keko
Celta Vigo:
+ Sisto, Naranjo, Roncaglia
- Nolito
Depor:
+ Andone, Albentosa, Tyton, Joselu
- Lucas Perez
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Whew - Sevilla have done some good business. I just wish they'd have kept Banega because then they would've had two of my favourites in Banega and Vazquez. Still, I really like the look of this Sevilla team even without my man Éver.
Diego López to Espanyol, I didn´t expect that. Despite the bad beginning I still think that Espanyol can do a good season. I always liked Quique Flores.
Depor was about to sign Álvaro Vázquez, he even had passed the medical but finally he decided to go to Espanyol, so they got Joselu, from Stoke who was in Madrid and Celta academy.
Depor was about to sign Álvaro Vázquez, he even had passed the medical but finally he decided to go to Espanyol, so they got Joselu, from Stoke who was in Madrid and Celta academy.
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