La Liga - 2014/15

TheShedEnd said:
Who cares? Is that all that matters when judging a players talent?

Neymar may have looked spectacular in Brazil, but there's a reason he's found it difficult in La Liga. Massive step up in quality, he's frustrating to watch and Hazard doesn't run up blind allies like Neymar does, nor does try to take entire teams on getting dispossessed after the first or second man. He's more intelligent than that, picks his moments, and when he does teams can't live with him. Only Messi can match his pace, balance and ball control when in full flow.

Re the WC - I suppose Neymar is better than Ronaldo too seeing as he out-performed him Brazil too? Or have you got another excuse for that?
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First of all, its much much harder to play as an attacker in Barca's system than to play in Chelsea's system. Look how average Thierry Henry and Ibrahimovic looked playing there.

Second of all, the kid has 9 goals in like 7 games, and has been playing very well, quit being salty.
 
fontaine said:
First of all, its much much harder to play as an attacker in Barca's system than to play in Chelsea's system. Look how average Thierry Henry and Ibrahimovic looked playing there.

Second of all, the kid has 9 goals in like 7 games, and has been playing very well, quit being salty.
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Two very poor examples. Henry was well past his best by the time he went to Barcelona, and he was played out wide with Eto'o up front before Guardiola took over, then he played a big part in their treble winning season. Ibrahimovic managed a decent goal return despite difficulty adapting to the system, and that was the year Messi started playing more central.

Re Neymar, I'd be interested to see just how many times he's lost possession. He either tends to run into a crowd of defenders and misplaces most his passes. Quite a few instances in last nights game actually where there was a better pass on and he either ignored it or didn't get it right.

I'll take it all back if he produces something special next weekend mind...
 
TheShedEnd said:
Two very poor examples. Henry was well past his best by the time he went to Barcelona, and he was played out wide with Eto'o up front before Guardiola took over, then he played a big part in their treble winning season. Ibrahimovic managed a decent goal return despite difficulty adapting to the system, and that was the year Messi started playing more central.

Re Neymar, I'd be interested to see just how many times he's lost possession. He either tends to run into a crowd of defenders and misplaces most his passes. Quite a few instances in last nights game actually where there was a better pass on and he either ignored it or didn't get it right.

I'll take it all back if he produces something special next weekend mind...
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He has been producing "something special" this year, just let it go it man. I'm not a big Neymar fan either, but you can't just fight those numbers.
 
Atlético play Espanol in 25 minutes if anyone wants to watch some morning football.

José María Giménez, the teenage centre back prospect, gets a start ahead of Miranda. Probably because of his international travels.
 
No Griezmann again. Taking time to settle into this new side, and the sooner they stick with a consistent front line the better. I absolutely think Cerci is destined to flop here. Italians never really have had the best of times in la liga at least in recent times, and from what I've seen he doesn't have enough about him to cement a first team place. He'll be back in Italy next year for sure.
 
Orton said:
No Griezmann again. Taking time to settle into this new side, and the sooner they stick with a consistent front line the better. I absolutely think Cerci is destined to flop here. Italians never really have had the best of times in la liga at least in recent times, and from what I've seen he doesn't have enough about him to cement a first team place. He'll be back in Italy next year for sure.
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Players coming from Serie A seem to flop wherever they go.
 
He's suspended, he got 2 yellows after coming on as a sub against Valencia. What a way to make an impact. Any other sub appearances have been average.
 
Brilliant header by Tiago! Looped over the keeper who had no chance.
 
Tiago having a great season so far. Gabi is also a bit special, I can't remember the last bad game he has had ...
 
Yeah I don't think Tiago is particularly great but it's hard to argue with his form over the last 2 seasons.

Griezmann on now, hopefully he impresses because it's such a waste seeing him on the bench.
 
Atlético get their set piece goal :D

Mario Suárez with it, even though the commentator seemed to claim it was Godín...
 
Regarding Tiago, the player obviously has the merit for his carreer resurgence but Simeone played a big part in that. He knows how to exactly use him and dealt with his motivational problems adequately. His national team performances since he returned have been very good also. Best midfielder on the pitch in the Denmark game.
 
Deportivo score against Valencia. Looks like an own goal, and hard to tell if it actually went over the line (no goal line technology in Spain).

They hit the bar from a free kick seconds before...
 
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2-0 Depor. Nice finish but keeper shouldn't be beaten like that...have to think that Diego Alves would have kept it out.
 
akash02 said:
The one I have been impressed with is Ansaldi. His crossing is superb.
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Ansaldi is a bit like that. Technique is good but he's also a bit crazy which is a doubled edge sword for a defender.
 
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Looks like Bale is out of the Liverpool game and el Clásico. Same muscular injury that forced him to sit out their last game as a precaution.
 
Treble said:
40 goals and 40 assists? He won't be able to that. It will become clear over the course of the season that, unlike Ronaldo, he's declined physically. Barca haven't looked particularly good in the more difficult games so far, Messi too. Maybe I'm wrong in my assessment though. Time will tell, etc. Personally, I expect an easy win for Madrid next week.
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Barca not looking good is more to do with the inexperience of the coach than anything else and few incompetent players. As for physical decline of Messi, that's over-played most times. Obviously, he ain't same. But he can still play as a pure 10 for many more years to come. His skills aren't going away. The pass to ADM is still the best pass in 2014, and I don't see too many players ever doing this in their entire lifetime.

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CLARiiON said:
Barca not looking good is more to do with the inexperience of the coach than anything else and few incompetent players. As for physical decline of Messi, that's over-played most times. Obviously, he ain't same. But he can still play as a pure 10 for many more years to come. His skills aren't going away. The pass to ADM is still the best pass in 2014, and I don't see too many players ever doing this in their entire lifetime.

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Love the weight and accuracy of the pass but fecking hell, talk about exaggerating. :lol:
 
Ronaldo: 12 games, 19 goals, 2 assist - 50% of Real Madrid's 40 goals in all competitions.
Messi : 10 games, 8 goals, 8 assists - 65% of Barcelona's 25 goals in all competitions.

Who's been better?
 
TheShedEnd said:
Ronaldo: 12 games, 19 goals, 2 assist - 50% of Real Madrid's 40 goals in all competitions.
Messi : 10 games, 8 goals, 8 assists - 65% of Barcelona's 25 goals in all competitions.

Who's been better?
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The guy who has contributed to 21 goals compared to the one who has to 16(19 if you want to keep the same ratio for 12 matches)?
 
MJJ said:
The guy who has contributed to 21 goals compared to the one who has to 16(19 if you want to keep the same ratio for 12 matches)?
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Perhaps, although the number of goals Real have scored suggests they're alot less reliant on Ronaldo than Barcelona with Messi. Then again, Ronaldo's on a freakish scoring run (again).
 
TheShedEnd said:
Ronaldo: 12 games, 19 goals, 2 assist - 50% of Real Madrid's 40 goals in all competitions.
Messi : 10 games, 8 goals, 8 assists - 65% of Barcelona's 25 goals in all competitions.

Who's been better?
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Would say on performances alone Cristiano just edges it, because I think he's been better in Europe so far (though Messi's had tougher tests). Cristiano probably blows him away on stats in league only but I think they're about equal in overall performances domestically, Messi possibly edging it.
 
MJJ said:
you would be an expert on that I suppose.
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I sure can spot them.

Anyway, back on topic, making comparisons purely on the basis of stats is silly. Stats are relevant but aren't the only deciding factors, unless they're more comprehensive than "gls+assts".
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I sure can spot them.

Anyway, back on topic, making comparisons purely on the basis of stats is silly. Stats are relevant but aren't the only deciding factors, unless they're more comprehensive than "gls+assts".
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while I would normally agree with you. I think its a good tool to judge strikers or wing forwards as messi and ronaldo do play in roughly the sane position unlike keane and bent :p
 
MJJ said:
while I would normally agree with you. I think its a good tool to judge strikers or wing forwards as messi and ronaldo do play in roughly the sane position unlike keane and bent :p
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With messi, it doesn't tell the full story though because he does a lot more in the buildup imo. His chance creation for example tends to be very high as does his general contribution to play.
 
wouldn't you say that's reflected in his assists though? 8 to ronaldo 2, while ronaldo obviously stays.higher.up the.pitch hence more goals
 
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