La Liga - 2014/15
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Yeah you were right, Depor's shitness > Barça's away form. Though Barça weren't even that good, which makes it even worse for Depor I guess
Specially after Chelsea thrashed Swansea 5-0 away yesterday
Also don't forget that title-contenders Arsenal have just beaten a Manchester team in Manchester for the first time in 7 years or something...
So, the updated version.
La Liga
2014-15, Jornada 19 // Jornada 38
- Cristiano, 28 goals (8 pen.) *one game in hand // ?
- Messi, 19 goals (0 pen.) // ?
2013-14, Jornada 19 // Jornada 38
- Cristiano, 20 goals (5 pen.) // 31 goals (6 pen.)
- Messi, 8 goals (1 pen.) // 28 goals (6 pen.)
2012-13, Jornada 19 // Jornada 38
- Messi, 28 goals (2 pen.) // 46 goals (4 pen.)
- Cristiano, 16 goals (4 pen.) // 34 goals (6 pen.)
2011-12, Jornada 19 // Jornada 38
- Cristiano, 23 goals (9 pen.) // 46 goals (12 pen.)
- Messi, 22 goals (3 pen.) // 50 goals (10 pen.)
2010-11, Jornada 19 // Jornada 38
- Cristiano, 22 goals (5 pen.) // 40 goals (8 pen.)
- Messi, 18 goals (1 pen.) // 31 goals (4 pen.)
2009-10, Jornada 19 // Jornada 38
- Messi, 15 goals (1 pen.) // 34 goals (1 pen.)
- Cristiano, 9 goals (1 pen.) // 26 goals (4 pen.)
Interesting trend... Cristiano gets most of his penalties in the 1st half of the season, Messi in the 2nd half.
La Liga
2014-15, Jornada 19 // Jornada 38
- Cristiano, 28 goals (8 pen.) *one game in hand // ?
- Messi, 19 goals (0 pen.) // ?
2013-14, Jornada 19 // Jornada 38
- Cristiano, 20 goals (5 pen.) // 31 goals (6 pen.)
- Messi, 8 goals (1 pen.) // 28 goals (6 pen.)
2012-13, Jornada 19 // Jornada 38
- Messi, 28 goals (2 pen.) // 46 goals (4 pen.)
- Cristiano, 16 goals (4 pen.) // 34 goals (6 pen.)
2011-12, Jornada 19 // Jornada 38
- Cristiano, 23 goals (9 pen.) // 46 goals (12 pen.)
- Messi, 22 goals (3 pen.) // 50 goals (10 pen.)
2010-11, Jornada 19 // Jornada 38
- Cristiano, 22 goals (5 pen.) // 40 goals (8 pen.)
- Messi, 18 goals (1 pen.) // 31 goals (4 pen.)
2009-10, Jornada 19 // Jornada 38
- Messi, 15 goals (1 pen.) // 34 goals (1 pen.)
- Cristiano, 9 goals (1 pen.) // 26 goals (4 pen.)
Interesting trend... Cristiano gets most of his penalties in the 1st half of the season, Messi in the 2nd half.
Bring him here. A Blind-Modric-Di Maria midfield...
Would be delighted if it would happen.
Yeah, that La liga is shit.
CL finalists and Europa league winner last year but yeah, that league is shit. Sevilla would be beaten by Spurs 7 times out of ten.
CL finalists and Europa league winner last year but yeah, that league is shit. Sevilla would be beaten by Spurs 7 times out of ten.
Haven't been watching but Denis Suárez's goal for Sevilla tonight was quality, they're 2-0 up with full time near.
Apparently we're after Valencia's defender Otamendi according to Ballague.
Interesting. I was surprised we didn't go after Otamendi in the summer and even more surprised when Barcelona opted for Mathieu as their Valencia purchase of choice. I can't imagine them letting him move in January though, they need that CL place.
An interesting little graphic from Marca giving this year's half-way Liga points compared to last years. It shows Valencia improving dramatically and Athletic collapsing amongst other things.
Valencia really have turned it on compared to last year.
Athletic is an extreme case. I think they hate consistency!
Valencia will be challenging for the title in two years time imo.
That'd be interesting. Real and Barca will surely be there, and I'd expect Atletico to be around there too. May turn La Liga into a more competitive league.
They have money but the key is organization because they will never be able to outspend Real and Barca. At the minute Valencia aren't even in Champions League places despite the big upturn in points tally.
That is true. Valencia do have a young team though and they could get better with time. They have been averaging the youngest line up in the top 5 european leagues this season.
Wow, didn't realize this. They definitely have the foundation to build a great team there with a rich owner and a big stadium with a huge one in development.
Problem is whether they can keep hold of them.
La Liga has been competitive for the most part. It was only really in 08/09 when it consistently became a two-horse race between Madrid and Barcelona with both breaking records but now with Atletico there seems to be another challenger stepping to the fore once again. Since 1992 there has been 5 different winners in La Liga which is the same number as the Premier League in the same time frame. Just some examples of close title races over the years as well as some examples of league campaigns where Madrid and Barcelona were not the top dogs in the competition (ie both taking up the top two positions in the table).
91/92 1st Barcelona 55pts, 2nd Madrid 54 pts 3rd Atletico 53 pts 4th Valencia 47 pts,
92/93 1st Barcelona 58 pts 2nd Madrid 57 pts 3rd Deportivo 54 pts 4th Valencia 48 pts,
93/94 1st Barcelona 56 pts, 2nd Deportivo 56 pts, 3rd Zaragoza 46 pts 4th Madrid 45 pts
94/95 1st Madrid 55 pts, 2nd Deportivo 51 pts, 3rd Betis 46 pts, 4th Barcelona 46 pts
95/96 1st Atletico 87 pts, 2nd Valencia 83 pts 3rd Barcelona 80 pts 4th Espanol 74 pts
97/98 1st Barcelona 74 pts 2nd Athletic Bilbao 65 pts 3rd Sociedad 63 pts 4th Madrid 63 pts
99/00 1st Deportivo 69 pts, 2nd Barcelona 64 pts, 3rd Valencia 64 pts 4th Zaragoza 63 pts
00/01 1st Madrid 80 pts 2nd Deportivo 73 pts 3rd Mallorca 71 pts
01/02 1st Valencia 75 pts 2nd Deportivo 68 3rd Madrid 66 pts Barcelona 64 pts
02/02 1st Madrid 78 pts 2nd Sociedad 76 pts 3rd Deportivo 72 pts 4th Celta Vigo 61 pts
03/04 1st Valencia 77 pts 2nd Barcelona 72 pts 3rd Deportivo 71 pts 4th Madrid 70 pts.
06/07 1st Madrid 76 pts 2nd Barcelona 76 pts 3rd Sevilla 71 pts 4th Balencia 66 pts
07/08 1st Madrid 85 pts 2nd Villareal 77 pts 3rd Barcelona 67 pts
13/14 1st Atletico 90 pts 2nd Barcelona 87 pts 3rd Madrid 87 pts.
Obviously Madrid and Barcelona have won the majority of them but that is the same case in all big leagues (ie United winning 13 league titles since 1992) and Madrid and Barcelona have both had strong periods of dominance in Europe (ie both have won 3 CLs in the space of a few seasons. In Madrid's case 3 in 5 seasons and 3 in 6 for Barcelona) over the past twenty years so it is not like them being on top and winning the majority of leagues reflects badly on the rest of La Liga and means that the other teams are weak. The point is that a lot of times they were given a run for their money to win the league which is the definition of competitive and they did not always take up the top two spots.
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Yeah I was talking about very recent times. Real and Barca have had a stranglehold on the top until last season and Valencia could well develop into a force looking at their players.
Is Peter Lim likely to invest in Valencia?
Seems like it. I read in the summer that when the takeover would be completed, Valencia would buy the players they have on loan, e.g. Rodrigo, Andre Gomes, etc. They also bought Enzo Perez from Benfica earlier this month.
Possibly. So far he's spent around £ 130m. This includes players who were signed as first year loans with an understanding to be made permanent next year. Like Negredo and Rodrigo.
Yeah, that La liga is shit.
CL finalists and Europa league winner last year but yeah, that league is shit. Sevilla would be beaten by Spurs 7 times out of ten.
Never gets old.
It has gone in waves. 1985-1995 was utterly dominated first by Real Madrid's Quinta del Buitre then by Cruyff's Dream Team. 1995-2005 was brilliantly competitive with five different winners and a variety of left-field challengers such as Real Sociedad and Mallorca. In contrast, 2005 till present has been jarringly uncompetitive barring Atletico's heroics last year. What you hope is that we can enter another, more competitive cycle, but given the current TV rights farce and insufficient collective appetite for change, that seems highly unlikely.
Poor Arbeloa is on his last legs. His comments last night were about Simeone being favoured by the press, if you were wondering.
Not bad.
Valencia being linked with Fletcher now. If there's one position Valencia lack the most it would probably be the defensive midfield with only Javi Fuego in there, Augusto seems more for the future. That's the position with the least competition right now. Fuego is the oldest member of the squad but still only 1 year older than Fletcher and he's having a good season. They're probably looking at Fletcher as a backup. Thought they'd go after someone a bit younger tbh.
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Ok, I am not sure how that is actually possible!
An agreement to transfer at a future date I guess?
MD and Sport would love that, they wouldn't have to stop the Reus to Barça stories
I have no clue why we would be interested in Reus, where would he play? I don't think Barca management is interested in Reus, we have more pressing issues in midfield. Need someone to replace/compliment Iniesta. Also a good right-back won't hurt us in anyway.
Can't trust this management much though.
Maybe just an agreement for future transfer. I don't see how the loan deal would work without registering.
You don't need Reus, I just picked him because the Catalan papers like to link him to Barça.
No talk about Atleti's Chinese investment? Will this clear off some debt?
You didn't need Suarez to be fair, especially at that price.
Reus + a midfielder would have been much better than Suarez.
Would have been good business in general but I have to disagree regardless. I think Suarez was essential. Barcelona was the only team in the world that didn't have a centerforward in the squad. Messi has changed a lot in recent years, he drops deep and comes towards the ball more than ever before now and his pressing can be very much inconsistent if not inexistent. This creates lots of structural problems. This isn't 2010 anymore when teams didn't know how to handle Messi, whether the centerbacks should follow him into midfield areas or leave him unmarked. Everyone and his dog has analysed Barca's false 9 system by now. Additionally when no one is occupying the centerbacks and they are allowed time and space on the ball it makes any attempt of cohesive team pressing an uphill battle.
Suarez gives Barca a completely new dimension. He opens up the pitch for Neymar and Messi. His presence, pressing and constant movements alone occupy 2 central defenders. Obviously you don't pay € 80M just for that, he also ought to score goals but that should come.