I'm not I'm a mood to argue but Valencia played a good game defensively also and Alves wasn't just sitting back looking pretty. How many saves did he make ? Don't you think the absence of Modric affected the game also ? But if you need to blame someone why not blame Ronaldo.
La Liga 2013-2014
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Jesus lord almighty.
Why do you think I'm blaming Ronaldo for them not getting 3 points?
He wasnt the reason the let in 2 goals at home.
However he had 14 efforts, 1 outstanding and most of them average at best. 8 were on target.
After Ronaldo the next highest amount of shots from the team was 4. 4! Because the ball came to Ronaldo and he had one thing on his mind.
Morata comes on and does the same thing as Ronaldo a single time, ignoring teammates and shooting off target and Ronaldo screams at the kid and glares at Ancelotti on the bench.
I was being metaphorical...
No players who make mistakes are automatically shit and champion ship level players. Haven't you learned anything during your time on the caf?
Football fans must be the most knee-jerky type of human being known to recorded history. To be perfectly honest, I was a bit like that after seeing Messi versus Atletico recently.
Agreed, but I have not seen Varane make too many of those to be honest. To be clear, and God forbid, I am not in agreement with Mourinho on this (or any other point) but I am certain that Varane has massive potential.
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Perhaps it has something to do with Ronaldo being much more likely to score like that than Morata.
When you try it 13 times and it hasnt worked, perhaps its time for someone else. Ronaldo is also the most obvious threat so less likely to have the space Morata got on his run
When you average more than a goal a game over 4-5 seasons, you can do what you like.
Not if you dont want your local rivals winning the league.
I hope Barca spank Atletico. Some of their fans showed today, again, that they don't deserve to be anywhere near glory. The club and Spanish FA failed to deal with the incident that involved Marcelo so it shouldn't come as a surprise that the fans were at it again today with Diop.
One day the football associations will join the rest of the modern world and start handing out real penalties for offences like this. A fine of 60,000 Euro is an added insult rather than an actual punishment. What a fecking joke.
One day the football associations will join the rest of the modern world and start handing out real penalties for offences like this. A fine of 60,000 Euro is an added insult rather than an actual punishment. What a fecking joke.
Even though I am familiar with your relationship with Ronaldo, the truth is that you are right on this one. Him and Messi have been performing at such levels, and for so long, that no one can basically tell them shit. I mean, what would Tata or the Barca executives tell Messi after his Atletico performance? We are gonna sell you? We will punish you? We will bench you? You can't tell them anything, they can do as they please...
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RM should really win its three remaining games, Valladolid (A), Celta (A) and Espanyol (H), however with what happened this weekend I wouldn't even be that surprised to see them drop points.
Valladolid are unbeaten at home since November, in fact. They beat Barça 1-0 there and lost only three games all season (1-2 v Athletic, 0-2 v Atlético and 0-1 v Osasuna). They're currently in the relegation zone so they'll be fighting for their lives. Probably the most likely game for RM to drop points (also because it's in mid-week). On the other hand they'll be 100% focused now after tonight.
Celta will be a lot more open so should be easier to create chances for RM. I do remember them at the Bernábeu, where they could've gotten something from that game.. Charles missing a couple of sitters before they conceded to Benzema in the second half. They're probably the more likely to score some goals against RM, but they'll likely concede about twice as many as well.
Espanyol are a scrappy outfit, but they have nothing left to play for and I'm not sure they'd be interested in potentially doing Barça a favour. Expect a comfortable win for RM, even though statistically they're the opponent Cristiano has the worst gpg record against in Spain (0.40).
There's more to football than just having one player who's way better than everyone else on the pitch and letting him do anything he wants though. The fact Argentina/Portugal haven't won a major trophy or that Barcelona/Real haven't won the Champions League or made the final in the last two years is evidence of that.
I'm with @Ekeke on this. 14 shots for 1 goal in a single game is absurd on an individual level (even though it was an immensely important goal). The cross was from Di María once more, by the way, which puts him firmly in front in the assists column on 15 (two ahead of Koke and Fàbregas).
It's performances like those you refer to that make me hold off before declaring both of them top-10 all time greats at this point in time (note: the upcoming WC could make a huge difference in that assessment). Besides, what's the rush? Surely they still have some years left in the tank?
Celta are coached by Luis Enrique, so they will give their 100% in order to do Barca a favour. Whether that will be enough, we don't know, and they can certainly get a hammering from Real, but we can be certain that they will try. Valladolid will certainly give it their all, and as limited a side as they are, they have been not too bad at home. So, there is some hope that Real can drop points before the last Jornada, when Espanyol will happily bend over for them.
One more thing. Real Madrid would have had better chances of winning the title if they had lost tonight, instead of getting a draw. I am not sure if they had this in mind when the game was being played, or whether the mere thought of the possibility of Barca winning it again was too much to bear.
Sure there is. But the thing is that Messi/Ronaldo can do as they please and no one can tell them anything. They can choose to be good team-players, or selfish hissy primadonnas. No one has leverage over them at the moment, and that's a fact.
Barcelona/Real Madrid have been doing relatively well, irrespective of them losing some CL semis (terribly unlucky for both teams in 2012) they are 1 and 2 in the UEFA rankings. That consistency is down to a very large degree to those two mega-stars of world football. Real are also on the verge of La Decima.
Portugal have lost to all-mighty Spain in both the 2010 WC and the 2012 Euros (on penalties) and have few world-class players outside of Ronaldo, so you cannot expect much more from them if we are being fair.
Argentina have Messi, plus a few other top-of-the-range forwards, but the rest of their lines are quite poor. Messi may not be enough to save such mediocrity.
By the way I think Ronaldo was fairly good and scored a great goal. He also did well to set up Ramos with the header back across goal.
But anyone questioning the fact he was wasteful as I mentioned should also question their sanity.
But anyone questioning the fact he was wasteful as I mentioned should also question their sanity.
I'm with @Ekeke on this. 14 shots for 1 goal in a single game is absurd on an individual level (even though it was an immensely important goal). The cross was from Di María once more, by the way, which puts him firmly in front in the assists column on 15 (two ahead of Koke and Fàbregas).
It's performances like those you refer to that make me hold off before declaring both of them top-10 all time greats at this point in time (note: the upcoming WC could make a huge difference in that assessment). Besides, what's the rush? Surely they still have some years left in the tank?
For me, Messi and Ronaldo are easily Top 5 of all time. If not 1 and 2. If you go into the trouble of actually sitting through the entire 90mns of matches from the 60s, 70s and 80s, then you will know what I mean. But I am already guessing that you have already done so, so I am surprised that you are so reluctant to give the contemporary greats their due credit.
For me messi, maradona and di Stefano would be the first 3 of the top 5 in no particular order. Pele would be in the top 5 too. I don't know who else I would have in there, but not Ronaldo.
Atletico Madrid 36-88
Barcelona 36-85
Real Madrid 35-83
If two teams finish level, head to head counts first.
Results:
RM 0-1 AM
AM 2-2 RM
B 2-1 RM
RM 3-4 B
AM 0-0 B
Remaining:
Atletico: Malaga (13th) H, Barcelona (2nd) A;
Barca: Elce (14th) A, Atletico (1st) H;
Real: Real Valladolid (19th) A**, Celta Vigo (9th) A, Espanyol (12th) H.
**Game in hand.
Barcelona 36-85
Real Madrid 35-83
If two teams finish level, head to head counts first.
Results:
RM 0-1 AM
AM 2-2 RM
B 2-1 RM
RM 3-4 B
AM 0-0 B
Remaining:
Atletico: Malaga (13th) H, Barcelona (2nd) A;
Barca: Elce (14th) A, Atletico (1st) H;
Real: Real Valladolid (19th) A**, Celta Vigo (9th) A, Espanyol (12th) H.
**Game in hand.
Wow a Madrid fan saying that. So why exactly is that you dont like about Ronaldo?
On Topic - Barca can actually go into that last game with the potential to win the league. Barcelona will be relying on Real Madrid flopping, Madrid will be relying on Barcelona to beat AM,whilst AM cant rely on anyone.
I do like Ronaldo. I just don't think he is in the top 5 ever players. Im sure plenty of Madrid fans think that. I try to be as unbiased as possible.
Anyone know if these apparent post match comments from Simeone are true? Apparently after their defeat to Levante he said "this defeat is the best thing that could have happened to us. Now it is more fun" 
Anyone know if these apparent post match comments from Simeone are true? Apparently after their defeat to Levante he said "this defeat is the best thing that could have happened to us. Now it is more fun"
They are true. Simeone: "La derrota es lo mejor que nos podía pasar"
http://www.marca.com/2014/05/04/futbol/equipos/atletico/1399223607.html
Ancelotti made a mistake today, playing against Valencia you don't rest so many players and Real's midfield needs Modric and today I made my mind about the 2 defenders Marcelo and Coentrao... Coentrao is better, the 2 goals against Real had Marcelo involved, first he let the Valencia player cross and the second goal he completely misses the ball
Coentrao is the more reliable defender, but Marcelo is ahead of him going forwards; he's pretty much Evra but he can defend better, but still not to a top level.
Looking back at the performances Keylor Navas has had this season, how amazing has he been.. he looks like julio cesar at times. I don't think anyone in the world has as good reflexes as Navas really.
There's not many clubs that would complain about having Cristiano Ronaldo as your main attacking outlet .
.Has been out for a while until very recently. Only natural that he is a bit rusty.
You've probably watched about 80-90% of Ronaldo's games. Average at about 50 games per season. You're not close to have seen Maradona, Pele or others the same amount. You've probably seen Ronaldo play more often than them combined.I'm with @Ekeke on this. 14 shots for 1 goal in a single game is absurd on an individual level (even though it was an immensely important goal). The cross was from Di María once more, by the way, which puts him firmly in front in the assists column on 15 (two ahead of Koke and Fàbregas).
It's performances like those you refer to that make me hold off before declaring both of them top-10 all time greats at this point in time (note: the upcoming WC could make a huge difference in that assessment). Besides, what's the rush? Surely they still have some years left in the tank?
I highly doubt that Pele and Maradona weren't similar. You think they had a 50% turnover record? No way. Pele even played against teams that played with 2-3 players at the back and 5 up top.
I think it's odd that you can make any declaration at all with that kind of comparison. Comparing Ronaldo and Pele, the football was completely different. There really are almost no things alike apart from there being 11 players in each side at the start of the game. Offside rules are different. Bookings are different. Goalkeepers wear gloves (easier to save). The balls are much different. The pitches are different. The pressure is different. The media coverage is different. The money involved is different. The amount of good teams are different. The number of qualified coaches are different. It really is logically beyond comparison.
It's pretty clear that as good as Ronaldo is that he's not as good as Pele and Maradona.
Rewatched the game, and I see your point. Barca played better than I remember. The game could easily have ended 3-3 or something like that. Barca may not have beaten Atletico at all this season, but when the league title is at stake and they still have the chance to get something out of this season, at the Camp Nou, I'd expect the players to deliver. That is, they still have the chance to win it themselves, which looks likely if Real one more point from their last 3 games, and Barca win at Elche.
The title race hasn't been this exciting for years.
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After the last few seasons I think it's fair to say that the primera division isn't far off (if at all) the premier league in terms of quality.
Altough there will still be those who'll claim that at every opportunity whenever Barca or ourselves trash another team.
Altough there will still be those who'll claim that at every opportunity whenever Barca or ourselves trash another team.
Atletico must want Madrid to win their next two games. If they don't they will go into the final day behind Barcelona which will mean that Barca will win the league if they beat Atletico.
Ridiculously exciting last couple of weeks.
Ridiculously exciting last couple of weeks.
sorry guys my computer is broken (mobo completely destroyed)
so no gifs from me for a couple of weeks/months
sorry
sorry guys my computer is broken (mobo completely destroyed)
so no gifs from me for a couple of weeks/months
sorry
Noooooooo. How shall we live without thy gifes?
But in all seriousness sucks to hear that about your motherboard hope you can get a new one soon.
sorry guys my computer is broken (mobo completely destroyed)
so no gifs from me for a couple of weeks/months
sorry
Ouch. Good luck getting it sorted.
Valladolid vs Real Madrid on SS2 if anyone is interested.
Ronaldo taken off. Hopefully nothing serious.
Ronaldo just got out due to an injury.
Ronnie injured now ffs...
Hopefully the injury is not a reucurrence